True HP Aero For 2011

PetFlora

PetFlora

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RO v Tap: 25 years ago, I worked in water Rx industry. Hardness is the scourge of pipes, water heaters (tankless or not) and valves because it eventually builds up. The problem with softeners is two fold, 1) it makes the water so slippery that the bather wastes water thinking they are still soapy and 2) the environmental issues of dumping large amounts of salt into the ground. One potential solution is an electrical device wrapped around the incoming water line that is supposed to neutralize the charge on the hardness minerals. Although I spent good money for one 15+ years ago, it never delivered, though I thought it did, periodically. Eventually, I figured out that when I got soft water it was only on the weekends. Turns out that the water company adds softening agents in response to the high demand caused by people doing laundry. So something else is added to your tap beside hardness and it can screw with your chemistry.

News Flash: My new Hanna meter would not calibrate. I was sent a new probe- same problem. I sent both back yesterday, so have now been without pH calibration for > 2 weeks and counting. Fortunately, I am in early veg, so I can recirculate nutes, but I hate to go past one week with changing them.

DIYer, nope those are not true hpa roots. THPA roots look like cotton candy. That said, it only takes a small amount of tweaking from where you are to have the root hairs come to the party. The 5 G bucket is one of your Achilles Heals though, as it confines the mist in too small a volume, which condenses the atomized mist into bigger droplets, pretty much defeating the whole purpose. That said, you will still grow excellent plants, and as I said, you are a few minor tweaks away. Will take a new pic of the BK1-X tomorrow. She is already almost 6" tall

Tree Farmer. Nice to have you back. You and atomizer taught me so much, though I am still sans accum, this grow should be my best ever
 
syder

syder

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PetFlora said:
News Flash: My new Hanna meter would not calibrate. I was sent a new probe- same problem. I sent both back yesterday, so have now been without pH calibration for > 2 weeks and counting. Fortunately, I am in early veg, so I can recirculate nutes, but I hate to go past one week with changing them.
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i roll with bluelab.. pricey but when the guy in amsterdam said "if it had a vigina he would fuck it" I figured bluelab is the shit. =] also they got a new model that can monitor 24/7.http://www.getbluelab.com/shop/Bluelab+Guardian+Monitor.html
 
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dickkhead

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DIYer said:
i think he said when he flowers,.. so perhaps he meant go 18/6 from 12/12. Not sure if it really increases yield, and if done for only 2 days, what can you really expect as far as increase?....

i personally run 21/3 for veg and 12/12 for flower. I also go right from one to the other with no ill effects. How long you guys take to go from clone to harvest?
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Yea I run 20/4 in veg and yea I was referring to while in flowering you switch the lights on for 48 hours to shock the plant and make it think it should be in veg and then you switch back to flowering the plant disperses more energy into flowering panicking trying to finish. Im Gna try it with a clone towards the end of flowering.
 
Trichy Bastard

Trichy Bastard

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PetFlora said:
Since it consumed electricity, and went through discs, and was rotating jugs of ice several times a day, I decided to switch to a bubbler
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Yes makes sense.. My head has ceramic discs, they last a lot longer. The original brass ones only lasted a month or so, but the ceramics have worked for months and still almost like new. The heat was a bitch for sure, but by fogging in a remote res, and pushing the fog into the root chamber seems to make a big difference, not to mention I have a chiller now if need be. It does use some electricity, but if only necessary for a few weeks I don't mind- as long as it works and gives me roots that will transition easier to the HPA. I'll let you know if course, if I ever can get anything good out of it.
 
Trichy Bastard

Trichy Bastard

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dickkhead said:
Yea I run 20/4 in veg and yea I was referring to while in flowering you switch the lights on for 48 hours to shock the plant and make it think it should be in veg and then you switch back to flowering the plant disperses more energy into flowering panicking trying to finish. Im Gna try it with a clone towards the end of flowering.
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Never heard that. I'd worry about hermies. Let us know how it works if you do it.
 
Mike Young

Mike Young

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I was thinking the same thing. Sounds like snake oil to me. Its like my favorite comedian says about big dick pills. If they were real, we'd all be lugging around massive units. Doug Stanhope, btw.
 
Trichy Bastard

Trichy Bastard

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Well, I did the second application of spray foam today. Don't know what got into me- I think the first day I sprayed the perfect amount, today for some reason I really overstuffed it. I just hope it doesn't seal itself off and stay uncured in the middle. Then it won't have any insulating value. I might show a pic just so you guys what a mess I made lol... I suppose I was really careful the first time, but now I know this stuff just peels right off the chamber once it's semi-dry, I guess I got too comfortable and just slopped through it. Part of the problem is I am spraying into the voids blind, and the cans really change the amount they spray from full versus near empty. It's just really hard to judge how much is going in, and I suppose I wanted to err on the side of making sure there was full coverage. A couple of the spots from the first fill needed to be touched up cuz I could feel there was empty spots by squeezing the walls. I really don't know, but I would guess this stuff has best insulating value when not compressed, by overfilling it, the stuff might compress and be denser, losing some of it's insulating capability.
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kmbud

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If someone was using a different set of nutes, how would they go about figuring the npk to get a 312 result as TF suggest?
 
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dickkhead

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Trichy Bastard said:
Never heard that. I'd worry about hermies. Let us know how it works if you do it.
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yea thats why im gna try it with a clone first. I read it in highttimes ill see if I can pull anything up on the subject!

Mike Young said:
I was thinking the same thing. Sounds like snake oil to me. Its like my favorite comedian says about big dick pills. If they were real, we'd all be lugging around massive units. Doug Stanhope, btw.
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lol
 
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dickkhead

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tree farmer said:
the 3-1-2 ratio is the NPK ratio not the number of parts of each bottle you use. if you want some rough numbers this will get close to the 3-1-2 NPK ratio just put 17ml micro 14ml bloom and 8ml grow into 5 gallons of ro water. then dilute the mix to your desired ppm level. i usually try to go with 2-3 ml of calmag per gallon ro water unless i see some def. but usually i never do. the ratio is acullay not exactly 3-1-2 but is close and has a little more k and n but it has always worked well in my hydraulic HP setups from veg thru flower. i start around 150ppm and slowly bump the ppm up as i see the dtw drop to less than 50 percent of input. i try to stay at the 50 percent of input as it helps to keep from having to flush as often. but towards the end with trees in small(22 gallon) containers i sometimes had to flush every 4 days as the dtw would reach the input ppm. if coming from an aero cloner you might have to start at a higher ppm and then cut back on the ppms as the root structure develops into an HP structure(thats if the rig is capable of producing HP roots)

imo its very important to be able to get an accurate reading of the current dtw numbers as it helps figure out what to adjust the input levels to. once you have the data then its not as important to keep that close of the dtw numbers. but monitoring the dtw with a new setup and strain has helped on more than one ocassion to help me diagnos what the problem was. of coarse root structure will play a large part in what ppm levels you can run. the closer to lp root structures you get the higher ppm levels youll need to run and the closer you get to feather covered fuzz roots the lower ppm numbers youll have to run. it takes a while to get a feel for what you need but good record keeping can help. ive checked the dtw numbers every 2 hrs for weeks on occasions to figure out what i needed to do to correct something. there are alot of variables so dont change to much at once or you wont know what worked (this has happened to me before):wall:
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this info is worth more then gold tf! you should publish a book on hp aero youd be rich if your not already! i cant thank you enough for the info you provide! I just flushed my girls with 10 gallons till runnoff was 20 ppm. i isolated the acc while doing so then blew that out and diluted it from 750 to 500 ppm hopefully this does the trick!
 
Trichy Bastard

Trichy Bastard

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kmbud said:
If someone was using a different set of nutes, how would they go about figuring the npk to get a 312 result as TF suggest?
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I posted some nute calculator's a while back. There is a more complex one, forgot the name, but the canna stats is good. Look it up, it's easy to use.
 
Trichy Bastard

Trichy Bastard

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dickkhead said:
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this info is worth more then gold tf! you should publish a book on hp aero youd be rich if your not already! i cant thank you enough for the info you provide! I just flushed my girls with 10 gallons till runnoff was 20 ppm. i isolated the acc while doing so then blew that out and diluted it from 750 to 500 ppm hopefully this does the trick!
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Yeah... tree farmer doesn't post alot, but when he does, every single time it's filled with good advice and knowledge. I feel quite lucky that he pops in from time to time. I agree tf- you might want to consider finding a way to make money with all your knowledge, since you already love the subject anyway, it would hardly feel like work. Turning a hobby into a business is the best way to go, then it never really feels like work. ;)
 
Trichy Bastard

Trichy Bastard

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Well, credit due where it's due... If you think it's ass kissing, then so be it. People learn more by being open minded and humble. If you already think you know it all and everything you do is perfect, then there isn't much room for growth- is there? I'm just getting into this hpa stuff, I know I have things I have mastered, I usually master everything I work on eventually if I keep at it long enough, and try to follow others who know more than me on the subject until then. I like helping others along the way, because I have learned alot by sharing my info, and getting feedback and additional info from all of you guys. In the end, make no mistake, the design of my HPA is based off of tree farmer's posts. Atomizer directly helped me more than anyone private message wise so far, so I'd kiss his ass too I suppose. ;) I consider it having respect though.
 
Mike Young

Mike Young

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He's just mad cause he doesn't have these...

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I dunno what it is, but in the last few days these bitches are really starting to fuzz up. Probably had something to do with me getting the proper amount of air pressure in my accumulator. Noticable with each day. I can't wait to see how big they're gonna swell.
 
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dickkhead

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yes tb im the same way as you saw when i entered this thread I was sold a system i knew nothing about and the salesmen was no where to be found to answer questions. even though I had somone on here telling me id only fail and to give up while im ahead, Im not one to take that shit light and when i want to accomplish something you bet its getting done and getting done right! not to boast but I compete as a natural bodybuilder and my first year out i came in small and over depleted but you bet the following year i came back and won the my class out of 30 top ammateur athletes in my federation! and like you I sought all my info from all the experts reading everything I could and obsessing till i got it right, and now that I have a good idea of what to do I still stay humble and am open minded to new things. The greatest joy of it all is getting people ready for shows and giving back all my self taught knowledge. now back to mastering hp aero!!:)
 
Mike Young

Mike Young

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Since getting into this, I can say that the haters are always gonna be there. I didn't know the first thing about growing a little over a year ago. I was watching an episode of trailer park boys, and saw a DIY hydro setup, & needed a new hobby. So I read. I didn't get it right the first time with my medium pressure aero tubes, but by the time I was finishing my first run in them, I had a pretty good idea what I wanted to build the next time around. Alot of people told me I should maybe start with something a little simpler, so I could learn how to grow first. Naaa, I said. After looking at every style of growing out there, there was one that really jumped out as being the best. When you refer to it as being the best, it's gonna offend someone who's put alot of cash and/or energy into their system. Sorry. I'm not saying there isn't always room for improvement. Most the folks in this thread are here to help in any way they can. I dig that. I get quite a few people wanting to learn more about the subject in response to my vids on youtube. I answer their q's and tell em to check out this thread, as well as the others. There's good info to be had. If you're just going to be an ass (diyer), there are plenty of places where that kind of thing is the norm and in fact, welcomed. :)
 
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