"Troopergate" report drops next week

ElBarto

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Palin Troopergate probe goes on after suit tossed
By MATT VOLZ, Associated Press Writer
Fri Oct 3, 6:38 AM ET


ANCHORAGE, Alaska - An investigator hired by Alaskan lawmakers to probe abuse-of-power allegations against Gov. Sarah Palin was free to finish his work by a deadline set for a week from Friday after a state judge dismissed a lawsuit seeking to block the probe.

The investigation is looking into whether Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee, and others pressured Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan to fire a state trooper who was involved in a contentious divorce from Palin's sister, and then fired Monegan when he wouldn't dismiss the trooper. Palin says Monegan was ousted over budget disagreements.

Judge Peter Michalski on Thursday threw out the lawsuit filed by five Republican state legislators who claimed the investigation had been manipulated by Palin enemies who wanted to produce a damaging report just weeks before Election Day.

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ViRedd

New Member
Who's looking into Chris Dodd, Barny Frank, Joe Biden and B. Hussein O'Bama?

$700,000,000,000.

Vi
 

Abnjm

Well-Known Member
Nice try, Palin is bait.
So you're saying it is wrong to try get a cop fired who has:

  • Tasered a 10 year old.
  • Drank alchohol in his police vehicle while on duty.
  • Threatened someone's life.
  • Killed wildlife out of season. (When a large part of his duties are to enforce game laws.)
For some reason, I think you would be on my side of the fence if Palin had a (D) after her name.
 

Abnjm

Well-Known Member
Who's looking into Chris Dodd, Barny Frank, Joe Biden and B. Hussein O'Bama?

$700,000,000,000.

Vi
Don't forget Barney Frank's "significant other" who was "assistant director for product initiatives at Fannie Mae" for 10 years while Frank served on the House Banking Committee. (The committee that was responsible for oversight of Fannie and Freddie.) Once again, change the D after Franks' name to an R, and the media would be all over it.......
 

Bongulator

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Ya know, the 10-year old *asked* to be tasered...on the lowest setting. I'm not saying doing so was the most brilliant thing in the world to do, but they make it sound like the guy went onto a schoolyard, grabbed a random kid, threw him on the ground and tasered the fuck out of him until his eyeballs turned to jelly.

If there was proof that he threatened to kill someone, he'd be in jail. That was he-said, she-said stuff, no evidence either way. Toss that allegation out the window.

Dunno about killing animals out of season. I think they give you a ticket for that here, unless you're pretty and flirt with them.

Drinking in his car -- don't people get a chance to go to AA, or do they just boot you out on the first offense these days? If it's a screw-up-once-and-you're-gone policy there, then he should have been fired. If their union or laws say that you get a second chance (like the baseball players' union guarantees its members), well then, he gets a second chance.

He was suspended without pay for a while and reprimanded, and had to attend some classes or something. Considering the facts, that doesn't seem that unreasonable.

But either way, even if he really is the demonic force of evil that McCain's lawyers wish to portray him as, that still wouldn't excuse the governor abusing her power to circumvent the law she swore to uphold in order to "get him". That's far more serious than any of the stuff the cop was accused of because she's at the top of the Alaskan executive branch -- if SHE will abuse the laws for her own ends, then nobody in Alaska can have confidence in anything or anyone. A cop abusing his authority has limited effect. A *governor* abusing her authority is simply on a whole different scale.
 

Abnjm

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Ya know, the 10-year old *asked* to be tasered...on the lowest setting. I'm not saying doing so was the most brilliant thing in the world to do, but they make it sound like the guy went onto a schoolyard, grabbed a random kid, threw him on the ground and tasered the fuck out of him until his eyeballs turned to jelly.

If there was proof that he threatened to kill someone, he'd be in jail. That was he-said, she-said stuff, no evidence either way. Toss that allegation out the window.

Dunno about killing animals out of season. I think they give you a ticket for that here, unless you're pretty and flirt with them.

Drinking in his car -- don't people get a chance to go to AA, or do they just boot you out on the first offense these days? If it's a screw-up-once-and-you're-gone policy there, then he should have been fired. If their union or laws say that you get a second chance (like the baseball players' union guarantees its members), well then, he gets a second chance.

He was suspended without pay for a while and reprimanded, and had to attend some classes or something. Considering the facts, that doesn't seem that unreasonable.

But either way, even if he really is the demonic force of evil that McCain's lawyers wish to portray him as, that still wouldn't excuse the governor abusing her power to circumvent the law she swore to uphold in order to "get him". That's far more serious than any of the stuff the cop was accused of because she's at the top of the Alaskan executive branch -- if SHE will abuse the laws for her own ends, then nobody in Alaska can have confidence in anything or anyone. A cop abusing his authority has limited effect. A *governor* abusing her authority is simply on a whole different scale.
Dude, Do you read anything other than the Daily Kos? First, let's discuss the trooper's "minor infractions" as you describe them...

Col. Julia Grimes, then head of Alaska State Troopers, wrote in March 1, 2006 that "The record (Wooten's) clearly indicates a serious and concentrated pattern of unacceptable and at times, illegal activity occurring over a lengthy period, which establishes a course of conduct totally at odds with the ethics of our profession". If you'll notice the date, this investigation found the following facts prior to Palin even being elected Governor:

• Wooten used a Taser on his stepson. I know, the 10 year old asked to have it done. Maybe I'm too strict, but as a responsible adult, sometimes we need to say "no" to children who ask to do stupid things. As an officer of the law he should have at least that much common sense. Cops get fired all the time for doing the same thing to consenting adults.


• He illegally shot a moose. Once again, he was an officer of the law in charge of enforcing game regulations. How effective would he be in that position if he blatantly broke the laws himself? Because the wildlife is a source of food and tourist money, Alaska keeps tight control over their resources.


• He drank beer in his patrol car on one occasion. I guess some jurisdictions may allow a second chance. But I've NEVER seen it in any city I've lived in.


• He told others his father-in-law would "eat a f'ing lead bullet" if he helped his daughter get an attorney for the divorce. So much for the "he said, she said"......


Once again the State Trooper's investigation found these to be facts, and Wooten stipulated to their veracity prior to getting his FIVE day suspension. I would be more than happy to provide source URL's to substantiate any of these FACTS.

I guess when you can prove with FACTS that Palin circumvented the law to have Monegan fired, we can have that discussion. Until then, as Department of Public Safety Commissioner he held a political position, and was dismissed according to policy. It's done all the time on the left and the right.
 

ElBarto

Well-Known Member
The Bellman's Troopergate Timeline

[7/13/08] Palin abruptly fires Monegan, replacing him with Kenai City Police Chief Chuck Kopp, a prominent member of Alaska's Christian conservative community.

[7/18/08] Palin, first beginning to face allegations that the firing was improper, says “We would never prohibit, or be less than enthusiastic about any kind of investigation. Let’s deal in the facts, and you do that via investigation."

[7/22/08] Chuck Kopp, Palin's hand picked successor to Walt Monegan, admits to having been reprimanded for sexual harassment during his tenure as Kenai police chief.

[7/24/08] Despite apparent proof to the contrary, Palin denies having known about Kopp's letter of reprimand.

[7/25/08] Kopp steps down.

[7/29/08] Palin pledges cooperation after the Legislative Council votes 12-0 to hire independent investigator Stephen Branchflower.

[8/12/09] Despite criticism from both Republicans and Democrats in the state legislature, Palin directs Attorney General Talis Colberg to conduct his own investigation in advance of Branchflower's.

[8/13/08] AG's investigation uncovers tape of close Palin aide Frank Bailey phone call pressuring DPS to fire Wooten.

[8/14/08] Palin admits staff, including Colberg, made at least 20 calls and that "the serial nature of the contacts could be perceived as some kind of pressure, presumably at my direction."

[8/15/08] Branchflower begins work on his investigation.

[8/20/08] Frank Bailey placed on paid leave pending outcome of the investigation.

[8/29/08] Palin tabbed as McCain's pick for VP.

[9/1/08] Because Colberg and the rest of her staff are all subjects of the investigation, Palin hires a private lawyer, Thomas Van Flein, to represent her office.

[9/2/08] Van Flein challenges authority of legislature to conduct investigation, demands move to Palin appointed Personnel Board.

[9/3/08] In an effort to secure jurisdiction for the Personnel Board, Palin files an ethics complaint against herself.

[9/4/08] Citing concerns over jurisdiction, Frank Bailey and other Palin aides cancel previously scheduled appointments to give sworn testimony to Branchflower.

[9/5/08] PSEA files complaint on Wooten's behalf as evidence emerges that Frank Bailey had access to confidential information contained in Wooten's personnel file.

[9/5/08] Representative John Coghill airs first accusations of partisanship, initiates campaign to have Hollis French ousted as manager of the investigation.

[9/9/08] After reviewing Coghill's allegations, Legislative Council Chair Kim Elton refuses to remove French.

[9/9/08] Lt. Governor Barnhill sends a letter to Legislative Council Chair Kim Elton offering administration cooperation with subpoenas in exchange for agreement that administrative employees have right to access confidential employment files.

[9/11/08] Thomas Van Flein alleges that Branchflower is acting unethically, demands that he stop deposing witnesses.

[9/12/08] Responding to Barnhill's offer of 9/9/08, Kim Elton notifies Barnhill that the Legislative Council accepts the administration's interpretation of law regarding personnel files.

[9/13/08] After Branchflower presents evidence that the governor's office attempted to intercede in a Workers Compensation proceeding, the majority Republican Senate Judiciary Committee votes to subpoena 13 witnesses, including Todd Palin and several high ranking members of Palin's administration.

[9/13/08] Barnhill acknowledges Elton's acceptance of the deal, and lays out his plan for scheduling interviews with Branchflower.

[9/16/08] Newsweek's Michael Isikoff reports that the McCain has sent high-powered GOP fixer Edward O'Callaghan to Alaska to coordinate the troopergate cover-up.

[9/16/08] While still claiming executive privilege for all other correspondence, Palin produces emails purporting to show that Monegan was fired for insubordination relating to the budget.

[9/16/08] Palin rescinds pledge to speak to Branchflower.

[9/16/08] Five Republican members of the state legislature file suit seeking an injunction to halt Branchflower's investigation.

[9/16/08] Citing lack of probable cause, Palin submits a filing asking the Personnel Board to dismiss the ethics complaint she filed against herself.

[9/17/08] Attorney General Colberg announces that state employees will not honor subpoenas.

[9/18/08] Todd Palin announces that he will not honor subpoena.

[9/19/08] Todd Palin and two administrative employees fail to comply with subpoenas.

[9/19/08] Murlene Wilkes, the contractor charged with handling workers compensation claims, does appear, changing her statement to indicate that Todd Palin had met with her and instructed her to deny Wooten's worker's compensation claim, under threat of losing her firm's $1.2 million contract.

[9/19/08] ABC News uncovers documents which appear to contradict Palin's account of Monegan's alleged insubordination.

[9/25/08] With no explanation offered, Frank Bailey returns as director of boards and commissions.

[9/25/08] Attorney General Talis Colberg files suit to have the Legislative subpoenas quashed on the grounds that they were improperly issued.

[9/26/08] Palin chief of staff Mike Nizich and six other state employees fail to comply with subpoenas issued by Branchflower.

The Bellman: Troopergate Timeline

Why are Palin and her husband and her staff all refusing to cooperate with an investigation when less than three months ago she promised to cooperate fully?

Why is the McCain campaign so desperate to suppress the release or the report due out next Friday? Haven't we had enoiugh of elected oifficials who believe they are above the law? I know I have.

What does it say about McCain's judgment that he should pick as his running mate a woman who was in the middle of an ethics investigation?

As Andrew Sullivan writes, I see no reason why candidates for the highest offices in the country should shut down legitimate legislative investigations into their alleged abuse of power, started long before they were such candidates. In fact, I see very good reason for American voters to know what the Alaska legislature made of Palin's ethics before they get to vote in November. But as we know, John McCain believes in minimal transparency and maximal secrecy. At least he has since Sarah Palin was pickd for his veep.
 

Abnjm

Well-Known Member
The Bellman's Troopergate Timeline

[7/13/08] Palin abruptly fires Monegan, replacing him with Kenai City Police Chief Chuck Kopp, a prominent member of Alaska's Christian conservative community.

[7/18/08] Palin, first beginning to face allegations that the firing was improper, says “We would never prohibit, or be less than enthusiastic about any kind of investigation. Let’s deal in the facts, and you do that via investigation."

[7/22/08] Chuck Kopp, Palin's hand picked successor to Walt Monegan, admits to having been reprimanded for sexual harassment during his tenure as Kenai police chief.

[7/24/08] Despite apparent proof to the contrary, Palin denies having known about Kopp's letter of reprimand.

[7/25/08] Kopp steps down.

[7/29/08] Palin pledges cooperation after the Legislative Council votes 12-0 to hire independent investigator Stephen Branchflower.

[8/12/09] Despite criticism from both Republicans and Democrats in the state legislature, Palin directs Attorney General Talis Colberg to conduct his own investigation in advance of Branchflower's.

[8/13/08] AG's investigation uncovers tape of close Palin aide Frank Bailey phone call pressuring DPS to fire Wooten.

[8/14/08] Palin admits staff, including Colberg, made at least 20 calls and that "the serial nature of the contacts could be perceived as some kind of pressure, presumably at my direction."

[8/15/08] Branchflower begins work on his investigation.

[8/20/08] Frank Bailey placed on paid leave pending outcome of the investigation.

[8/29/08] Palin tabbed as McCain's pick for VP.

[9/1/08] Because Colberg and the rest of her staff are all subjects of the investigation, Palin hires a private lawyer, Thomas Van Flein, to represent her office.

[9/2/08] Van Flein challenges authority of legislature to conduct investigation, demands move to Palin appointed Personnel Board.

[9/3/08] In an effort to secure jurisdiction for the Personnel Board, Palin files an ethics complaint against herself.

[9/4/08] Citing concerns over jurisdiction, Frank Bailey and other Palin aides cancel previously scheduled appointments to give sworn testimony to Branchflower.

[9/5/08] PSEA files complaint on Wooten's behalf as evidence emerges that Frank Bailey had access to confidential information contained in Wooten's personnel file.

[9/5/08] Representative John Coghill airs first accusations of partisanship, initiates campaign to have Hollis French ousted as manager of the investigation.

[9/9/08] After reviewing Coghill's allegations, Legislative Council Chair Kim Elton refuses to remove French.

[9/9/08] Lt. Governor Barnhill sends a letter to Legislative Council Chair Kim Elton offering administration cooperation with subpoenas in exchange for agreement that administrative employees have right to access confidential employment files.

[9/11/08] Thomas Van Flein alleges that Branchflower is acting unethically, demands that he stop deposing witnesses.

[9/12/08] Responding to Barnhill's offer of 9/9/08, Kim Elton notifies Barnhill that the Legislative Council accepts the administration's interpretation of law regarding personnel files.

[9/13/08] After Branchflower presents evidence that the governor's office attempted to intercede in a Workers Compensation proceeding, the majority Republican Senate Judiciary Committee votes to subpoena 13 witnesses, including Todd Palin and several high ranking members of Palin's administration.

[9/13/08] Barnhill acknowledges Elton's acceptance of the deal, and lays out his plan for scheduling interviews with Branchflower.

[9/16/08] Newsweek's Michael Isikoff reports that the McCain has sent high-powered GOP fixer Edward O'Callaghan to Alaska to coordinate the troopergate cover-up.

[9/16/08] While still claiming executive privilege for all other correspondence, Palin produces emails purporting to show that Monegan was fired for insubordination relating to the budget.

[9/16/08] Palin rescinds pledge to speak to Branchflower.

[9/16/08] Five Republican members of the state legislature file suit seeking an injunction to halt Branchflower's investigation.

[9/16/08] Citing lack of probable cause, Palin submits a filing asking the Personnel Board to dismiss the ethics complaint she filed against herself.

[9/17/08] Attorney General Colberg announces that state employees will not honor subpoenas.

[9/18/08] Todd Palin announces that he will not honor subpoena.

[9/19/08] Todd Palin and two administrative employees fail to comply with subpoenas.

[9/19/08] Murlene Wilkes, the contractor charged with handling workers compensation claims, does appear, changing her statement to indicate that Todd Palin had met with her and instructed her to deny Wooten's worker's compensation claim, under threat of losing her firm's $1.2 million contract.

[9/19/08] ABC News uncovers documents which appear to contradict Palin's account of Monegan's alleged insubordination.

[9/25/08] With no explanation offered, Frank Bailey returns as director of boards and commissions.

[9/25/08] Attorney General Talis Colberg files suit to have the Legislative subpoenas quashed on the grounds that they were improperly issued.

[9/26/08] Palin chief of staff Mike Nizich and six other state employees fail to comply with subpoenas issued by Branchflower.

The Bellman: Troopergate Timeline
Why are Palin and her husband and her staff all refusing to cooperate with an investigation when less than three months ago she promised to cooperate fully?

Why is the McCain campaign so desperate to suppress the release or the report due out next Friday? Haven't we had enoiugh of elected oifficials who believe they are above the law? I know I have.

What does it say about McCain's judgment that he should pick as his running mate a woman who was in the middle of an ethics investigation?

As Andrew Sullivan writes, I see no reason why candidates for the highest offices in the country should shut down legitimate legislative investigations into their alleged abuse of power, started long before they were such candidates. In fact, I see very good reason for American voters to know what the Alaska legislature made of Palin's ethics before they get to vote in November. But as we know, John McCain believes in minimal transparency and maximal secrecy. At least he has since Sarah Palin was pickd for his veep.
I guess it isn't just Daily Kos, you also get your "facts" from "The Bellman" blog and Excitable Andy Sullivan. Dude, because it's in pixels, don't make it so...... My information came from an official government report and was stipulated as fact by the defendant. I will compare your timeline to that of an independent investigatory committee. Unlike you, I prefer to wait for the finding of fact before pronouncing guilt. And, if she has been found to have broken the law, I will call for a proper punishment along with you.

So, I take it you and bongulator will agree that the Trooper committed some very serious infractions, and got a 5 day suspension for them. In addition, the findings were filed prior to Palin becoming Governor. Are we in agreement?

Being that Monighan was a political appointee, and held his position at the behest of the Governor. And according to you, she had an axe to grind with him. Why wouldn't she have just dismissed him at the beginning of her term, and appointed someone that would have done her bidding? It is done all the time, in every jurisdiction, it's called politics.

Let's discuss the fairness of the legislative "investigation". Hollis French, a political rival of Palin's (He ran against her for Governor), and a Obama supporter, said this about investigation:

“It’s likely to be damaging to the Governor’s administration,"...“If they had done their job they never would have picked her,”...“Now they may have to deal with an October surprise,” he said, referring to the scheduled release Oct. 31 of the committee’s final report.


He is the lead committee representative. He said this prior to completion of the investigation. Shit, he said this before any subpoenas were even issued. I don't know about you, but that statement doesn't give me a lot of faith that this investigation will be fair and impartial....As happens during every election, it appears to be political theater. Done on both sides of the aisle... I will, however, give their findings a good review.

At the end of the day, Johnathan Swift said it best, "
It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of what he was never reasoned into." I don't think anything I say will change your mind, and I came here to learn how to become a weed baron...:cool:. So, I'll drop off this post, and hope you'll come over to my noob grow journal and help me on my way.
 

Dankdude

Well-Known Member
Who's looking into Chris Dodd, Barny Frank, Joe Biden and B. Hussein O'Bama?

$700,000,000,000.

Vi
Vi you forgot to mention that McCain was in on that too. What is it, do you convieniantly forget the so-called Conservatives and so-called Mavericks who voted for the $700,000,000,000 piece of tripe?

Oh BTW, nice try at trying to change the subject.....
 

puffdamagikdragon

Well-Known Member
The focus shouldn't be on the guilt or innocense of the trooper, but rather on the actions of Palin.

Can we stay focused, now? I know we're about bleary eyed, but let's keep to the subject of Palin. Ain't the cop up for vice president, she is.
 

Bongulator

Well-Known Member
Yeah, don't worry about the cop. He's got a stateful of people out for his ass, and a union to defend him from it. But abuse of power allegations on a VP candidate, that's serious, considering the vice president who's leaving and *his* repeated attempts to abuse his power. And there was Palin during the debate, already trying to get MORE power for the VP office. She's got balls, that's for sure.
 

medicineman

New Member
How can a candidate for public office refuse a subpoena?? How can her husband refuse?? I think arrest warrants are in order. Yeah I am Biased.
 

ViRedd

New Member
Vi you forgot to mention that McCain was in on that too. What is it, do you convieniantly forget the so-called Conservatives and so-called Mavericks who voted for the $700,000,000,000 piece of tripe?

Oh BTW, nice try at trying to change the subject.....
You know Dankster, the very least you could do is to try to stay up on current events.

I wasn't referring to who voted for the bailout ... I was referring to who CAUSED the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac fiasco. McCain sponsored a bill to provide oversight on these agencies in 2005 and the bill was defeated by the Dems. Chris Dodd is chairman of the Banking Committee. He, Barney Frank, Joe Biden and O'Bama voted against McCain's bill ... therefore, the 700,000,000,000 bailout.

Actually, in essence, the bailout, bailed out the Dems and Reps in the Congress and Senate who were in support of the subprime mortgages. Like, hey ... doesn't EVERYONE have the right to own a home? :lol:

Vi
 

ViRedd

New Member
Troopergate is a non-starter. The DNC sent an army of attorneys up to Alaska to find dirt on Palin ... and all they've come up with is this bullshit? Nice try, but no Kewpie Doll. :lol:

Vi
 

puffdamagikdragon

Well-Known Member
Well, this thread was about the trooper, not Fannie Mae so it is still a subject change. Course, ya just mimicing Palin, to change the subject to one less uncomfortable rather than stand up and deal with it is her favortie tactic, and denial and subterfuge has worked so well for the right anyhow.....:roll:

Finding dirt on Palin or McCain ain't hard, trying to get party loyalist like you to see it is the problem....

For someone who claims to fight big oil, she SHORE is for the drilling of ANWR and off shore. Don't sound like she took them on at all, but she did figure out how to make money offa them.
 

Bongulator

Well-Known Member
I think they find out stuff during the evidence-gathering phase and via subpoenas. I'm not sure how far the former has progressed, and the latter is being stalled until after the election so we don't find out anything important until it's too late. If the judges let them stall, that is, and it appears they may not.

I saw Palin's list of emails that she is withholding, citing executive privilege. And I saw the list of emails in her shadowy Yahoo account -- she was definitely doing government business using personal email accounts. That in itself is a crime. I doubt the punishment is all that tremendous, but it says something about her, that she'd try to do that kind of thing, ignoring the laws she was sworn to uphold.

It'll be up to a jury to decide if 20+ phone calls urging someone to do something you want them to do constitutes "pressuring them". If I was on the jury, I think I'd find that it does. And then that's another crime.
 

ViRedd

New Member
Talking about E-mails ... what ever happend to that snot-nosed son of the Democrat state senator who hacked into Palin's hard drive and published her E-mails on the Internet? Why haven't we heard anything about that in the MSM? Come on Keith Olbermann and 60 minutes ... get on the ball here!


Vi
 

Silky Shagsalot

Well-Known Member
Troopergate is a non-starter. The DNC sent an army of attorneys up to Alaska to find dirt on Palin ... and all they've come up with is this bullshit? Nice try, but no Kewpie Doll. :lol:

Vi
so what!!! are you telling me the repubs didn't/wouldn't do the same thing??? neither party is doing anything new. troopergate "is" important. past behavior is a very good indicator of future behavior. what about the lies involving the bridge to nowhere? she tries to make us believe she stopped it, lie! she was for it and then against. she kept the taxpayer money for the bridge. it's common knowledge she is vindictive, petty and holds grudges against those who oppose her. i thought her debate performance was laughable. i didn't appreciate the "joe six-pac" comment, and the winking was the true mark of an amateur.
 
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