transplanting before flowering?

Hey thanks for looking in---I am currently 2 weeks out before flowering. My girls are about 15" tall (bottom branch to top) inside grow.
They are in 3 gallon pots and have used up an ample amount of nutrients as well as waste products or used food from the plant in the soil.
I read to flush 3 times the amount of water to container size, once a month should suffice. (in my case that is 9 gallons of water)
I was thinking to flush and then transplant to 5 gallon buckets wait a week to establish thereby giving more area for roots to get newly conditioned blooming soil instead of the used vegging soil she has been eating out of for 6 weeks now. (these are clones so do not worry about age of plant)
I looked for information about transplanting before flowering but no luck finding info the only thing I found was about pruning and flowering but not transplant and then flowering.\
Anyone have any facts on this?
Regards
CC

Cali chronic said:

Hey thanks for looking in---I am currently 2 weeks out before flowering. My girls are about 15" tall (bottom branch to top) inside grow.
They are in 3 gallon pots and have used up an ample amount of nutrients as well as waste products or used food from the plant in the soil.
I read to flush 3 times the amount of water to container size, once a month should suffice. (in my case that is 9 gallons of water)
I was thinking to flush and then transplant to 5 gallon buckets wait a week to establish thereby giving more area for roots to get newly conditioned blooming soil instead of the used vegging soil she has been eating out of for 6 weeks now. (these are clones so do not worry about age of plant)
I looked for information about transplanting before flowering but no luck finding info the only thing I found was about pruning and flowering but not transplant and then flowering.\
Anyone have any facts on this?
Regards
CC

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I usually transplant a week or 2 before flowering.

doc111 said:

I usually transplant a week or 2 before flowering.

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Ok so you agree with that thinking about loading bloom food for proper soil for the big buds.
do you wait 2 weeks for any reason or just about when you get to it? Do you bother to flush since you are t-planting or is that a wasted step or time?

Cali chronic said:

Ok so you agree with that thinking about loading bloom food for proper soil for the big buds.
do you wait 2 weeks for any reason or just about when you get to it? Do you bother to flush since you are t-planting or is that a wasted step or time?

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I never flush if I can avoid it (except at the end of flowering and then I just stop the nutes about a week to 10 days before chop). I am a bit conservative with nutes so I don't have a problem with salt buildup. If you tend to feed with every watering or you've had problems with salt buildup or lockout you may want to flush. I like to give the plants at least 1 week (2 is better) to adjust to the new soil and establish new roots. It seems to be a pretty common practice amongst growers but that's the great thing about this wonderful hobby; there really isn't a right or wrong way to do it. It's all about finding what works for you and your setup.

if your plants root system are going to need the space believe me when i say it is much easier to do it now then to wait and try when it has a big bud on top, i learned that the hard way

Funny you ask, because I just transplanted 3 days ago, at about 4 weeks veg. I'm pressed for time, so I was in a hurry to get some into bloom. After stalling for one day, the plants perked up and grew 1/2" on the 2nd day, so i threw half of them into bloom. I don't like doing that, because i also believe in waiting a week for them to stabilize and get accustomed to their new environment, but I've done it a few times now, and haven't had any problems. Worth mentioning, is that when i transplant, there is almost zero root disturbance, so I'm sure that's a contributing factor. I'd wait til there are visible signs of recovery, then you should be fine. If you wait a whole week, there shouldn't be any problems at all.

Also, it's not necessary to run 9 gallons through a 3 gallon pot, when flushing. I use 3 gallon pots, and use a 5 gallon bucket with holes drilled in the lid, for flushing. I set the plant on top of the bucket and dump PH'ed water in, 1/2 gallon at a time, 5 gallons total. Then i end up with a little over 4 gallons of runoff, which is nice and easy to get rid of because it's in the 5 gallon bucket. Anyway, I know that's enough flushing, because i make sure of it. I check the PPM and PH at the beginning of flushing, then check it at the end, and it's always below 120 PPM, and the PH is coming out at the same as the water I'm pouring in. Also, the runoff is almost completely clear, with just a hint of yellow tint. To me, that means the job is complete, and my plants have always agreed.

Ok great news on that as I had tried to clone and had to wait another 3 weeks and did not want to have to run it out another 2 weeks! I will watch for recovery first.



I quoted this formula from the bible by JC--- he said; "go 3 to1 flush out." Ok--- though if 2 is doing it.

Also, it's not necessary to run 9 gallons through a 3 gallon pot, when flushing. I use 3 gallon pots, and use a 5 gallon bucket with holes drilled in the lid, for flushing. I set the plant on top of the bucket and dump PH'ed water in, 1/2 gallon at a time, 5 gallons total. Then i end up with a little over 4 gallons of runoff, which is nice and easy to get rid of because it's in the 5 gallon bucket. Anyway, I know that's enough flushing, because i make sure of it.


This sounds like a HYDRO grow because how do you know that end ppm was lower then the start PPM? How did you measure the ppm before flush?

Are you stating that the 0 ppm water being flushed thru then has a load of 120 and becomes no stronger with further flushes?
Please Advise I am curious
thanks

I check the PPM and PH at the beginning of flushing, then check it at the end, and it's always below 120 PPM, and the PH is coming out at the same as the water I'm pouring in. Also, the runoff is almost completely clear, with just a hint of yellow tint. To me, that means the job is complete, and my plants have always agreed. [/QUOTE]

I have clear water come out of the tap with 335 ppm out of the faucet via the city water. I have seen yellowish water that reads 500ppm ?

Cali chronic said:

Ok great news on that as I had tried to clone and had to wait another 3 weeks and did not want to have to run it out another 2 weeks! I will watch for recovery first.



I quoted this formula from the bible by JC--- he said; "go 3 to1 flush out." Ok--- though if 2 is doing it.

Also, it's not necessary to run 9 gallons through a 3 gallon pot, when flushing. I use 3 gallon pots, and use a 5 gallon bucket with holes drilled in the lid, for flushing. I set the plant on top of the bucket and dump PH'ed water in, 1/2 gallon at a time, 5 gallons total. Then i end up with a little over 4 gallons of runoff, which is nice and easy to get rid of because it's in the 5 gallon bucket. Anyway, I know that's enough flushing, because i make sure of it.


This sounds like a HYDRO grow because how do you know that end ppm was lower then the start PPM? How did you measure the ppm before flush?

Are you stating that the 0 ppm water being flushed thru then has a load of 120 and becomes no stronger with further flushes?
Please Advise I am curious
thanks

I check the PPM and PH at the beginning of flushing, then check it at the end, and it's always below 120 PPM, and the PH is coming out at the same as the water I'm pouring in. Also, the runoff is almost completely clear, with just a hint of yellow tint. To me, that means the job is complete, and my plants have always agreed.

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I've seen books that say to use anywhere from 1 1/2 times the volume of the pot up to 3 times the volume. I know a lot of growers do it as a preventative step but I don't believe in flushing unless it's absolutely necessary. Sometimes doing too much stuff to your plants can be worse than doing nothing.

I know the PPM because i check the first runoff that comes out of the pot, and it's normally in the 700-1000 range. That tells you that you have build-up in the soil. Same with PH, I check that in the beginning too, and monitor it at the end, making sure that has come up too. I know my water going in is 40 PPM, so when my final runoff is around 150 or lower, that's when I'm finished.(around 100 PPM)

The 3-1 is a rule of thumb, which guarantees a good flush, even with the worst of buildups. But, if you have the meters to check things, you will find that it's usually unnecessary to use that much water. Just trying to save ya some time and effort.

Never flushed until the end of flowering. I use fox farm lines for nutes and use only 1/2-3/4 of what was recommened until 14 days before then hit it with a flush i gotten from local shop and then just water for two weeks works for me great. And for transplanting I transplant four times total for the life cycle of the plant 1 (clone, Seedling)--plastic cup. 2- one gallon pot month into veg. 3- two gallon pot in the third week of flowering. 4-5 gallon pot last two weeks. But it works for me find what works for you.

I go from rooted clones to 1 gallon pots, veg for 3 weeks(about 16"), then into the final 3 gallon pots. I try to flush in the first 1-3 weeks of bloom,(really gives them a boost) then go to straight water for the last week. Sometimes I flush at the end of bloom, but my nutes are of a low PPM, and i don't normally get build-up. I'm paranoid about bud rot on plants with really dense buds, so I don't like to flush at the end, if i don't have too. I find the the switch to staright water burns up all the residual nutes left in the soil, leaving the flush unnecessary. Of course, to have the cleanest smoke possible, flushing at the end is the only way to guarantee that, so i can't recommend doing it my way. That choice is yours.

jawbrodt said:

I go from rooted clones to 1 gallon pots, veg for 3 weeks(about 16"), then into the final 3 gallon pots. I try to flush in the first 1-3 weeks of bloom,(really gives them a boost) then go to straight water for the last week. Sometimes I flush at the end of bloom, but my nutes are of a low PPM, and i don't normally get build-up. I'm paranoid about bud rot on plants with really dense buds, so I don't like to flush at the end, if i don't have too. I find the the switch to staright water burns up all the residual nutes left in the soil, leaving the flush unnecessary. Of course, to have the cleanest smoke possible, flushing at the end is the only way to guarantee that, so i can't recommend doing it my way. That choice is yours.

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I've tried it both ways and if you don't use a lot of ferts flushing at the end isn't really necessary IMO.

^Agreed.