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Bird Gymnastics

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I just go to the distributors website and look at all the ingredients and then compare/contrast. I am at no level on coco so I can't answer that question. But I soon will be able to ;)
 

phxfire

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From my understanding, most soils are coco based and/or peat moss based. So basically all the soil you use has coco in it, it is just in smaller amounts then pure coco coir. That is why I want to mix my own soil. Start with a good coco coir base, add in the vermiculite, EWC, dolomite lime, alfalfa meal and a few more...let it sit and then once a living soil, start using it. I am going to have to water almost every day as it will be an airy mix.

As far as non organic lines go I have found all of them to work pretty well. They all have similar ingredients it is really just preference. I have used nutri, GH, bontanicare, advanced etc. all have similar results with IMO, nutri had some of the best tasting yet smallest yield...GH has good yield and okay taste but IMO I can always taste GH (as I said before, SUPER PICKY). Bontanicare has always been good, I feel I like it more because of it being based in AZ. Great yields and decent tasting bud. I've stated this before, I DO NOT LIKE ADVANCE NUTRIENTS AS A COMPANY OR THEIR REPRESENTSTIVES, but I feel they have worked the best with an organic soil mix. It's a little pricier but hell isn't the saying, " you get what you pay for?" ha ha People always ask me how to get "dank" like mine...all I can say is PAY ATTENTION TO DETAIL and KEEP IT SIMPLE. Those are the things I've always lived by in the growing world!

I haven't been growing all that long. I'd say a year or two of hitting the grow room at full speed! I was around some elite growers in Northern California for about 4 years. Helped trim, transplant, and basically all of the required chores to running a huge grow op. in all reality I was lucky. Got chosen to trim for some heavy growers, after helping them they said I had "potential" and basically took me under their wing...they were running a perpetual of about 80 plants so it wasn't easy but I learned a lot and have much respect for the underground grow world. Some of the best people and most trustworthy people I have ever met has been in this industry. Anyways that is where I got my knowledge, experience etc... I don't claim of growing for many years because that wasn't the case. I was helping at someone else's grow op for close to 4 years but it WASN'T MINE.
Wow man! I would say you have been growing longer... Only 1-2 years... I am surprised...
 

phxfire

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yeah it gets expensive but like you said dude you get what you pay for. I dont mind paying high nute prices because they do a lot of the work for you. Those online nutrient calculators help but they make you add too much base additive I learned to cut the measurements in half there is no need for that high of a PPM. Not too many places carry H&G because I found out through the owner of Gonzo grow that to be a distributor the stores have to buy an inventory of no less than $20,000.00.
20k is alot to be a distributor... Most places are around 5k to start an account!!!
 

BeaverHuntr

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No doubt

Gonzo grow is out in the middle of NOWHERE... I do not know what they were thinking... Cool folks though!!

who is the owner??
Yeah they are out in Avondale area I live in Goodyear so I'm way out west too, I stop there if I need something on the way home. I forget the owners name he looks in his late 30's and he's bald he said he has a bachelors degree in botany. Cool folks their prices are normal and competitive the only upside is that its one of the only grow shops on the far west side.
 

phxfire

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Yeah they are out in Avondale area I live in Goodyear so I'm way out west too, I stop there if I need something on the way home. I forget the owners name he looks in his late 30's and he's bald he said he has a bachelors degree in botany. Cool folks their prices are normal and competitive the only upside is that its one of the only grow shops on the far west side.
Maybe a good reason to be there if they are the only one!!!
 

Philosophist

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what im going to do is this....
Im gonna put together a DWC bucket and make a grow journal, that should be the easiest way to learn/get help with it.
I wanna go hydro, for the extra growth(no time wasted in VEg) and so i wont have to lug water around with a bad back anymore. Just need to learn the system.

SO only difference between growing in Soil and Coco is the soil hold nutrients more/has more nutrient in it already, and coco has nothing/drains faster, so you have to add it every time?
WHY CANT YOU GUYS LIVE IN TUCSON FFFFFUUUUUU
 

phxfire

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what im going to do is this....
Im gonna put together a DWC bucket and make a grow journal, that should be the easiest way to learn/get help with it.
I wanna go hydro, for the extra growth(no time wasted in VEg) and so i wont have to lug water around with a bad back anymore. Just need to learn the system.

SO only difference between growing in Soil and Coco is the soil hold nutrients more/has more nutrient in it already, and coco has nothing/drains faster, so you have to add it every time?
WHY CANT YOU GUYS LIVE IN TUCSON FFFFFUUUUUU
Exactly!!!
 

BeaverHuntr

Well-Known Member
what im going to do is this....
Im gonna put together a DWC bucket and make a grow journal, that should be the easiest way to learn/get help with it.
I wanna go hydro, for the extra growth(no time wasted in VEg) and so i wont have to lug water around with a bad back anymore. Just need to learn the system.

SO only difference between growing in Soil and Coco is the soil hold nutrients more/has more nutrient in it already, and coco has nothing/drains faster, so you have to add it every time?
WHY CANT YOU GUYS LIVE IN TUCSON FFFFFUUUUUU
Pretty much...
Now DWC I can help you with I have had a few harvests DWC style and I promise you that you will grow a big plant in veg. Try and get a clone so you dont get any nute burn.
 

Philosophist

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i have technaFlora nutes and the say hydro on them, but they work for Soild as well right?
http://technaflora.com/indexProduct.php?ID=115

that is the kit i got for free for ordering my tent. Will that work in Soil???? or should i go back to Fox Farms for my soil stuff??

Ok I will start a trhead here in a Bit, ill call it Teach Philo Hydro DWC Style or sumthing clever....^^
 

Bird Gymnastics

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Wow man! I would say you have been growing longer... Only 1-2 years... I am surprised...
Ha ha I appreciate the comment but yes I have been personally growing my own for about that time. I mean I have been around it for around 6 years now and seeing how it's done. Many different systems, lots of failures to go along with tons of successes. I guess you can say I've been around the ropes a few times.
 

Bird Gymnastics

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i have technaFlora nutes and the say hydro on them, but they work for Soild as well right?
http://technaflora.com/indexProduct.php?ID=115

that is the kit i got for free for ordering my tent. Will that work in Soil???? or should i go back to Fox Farms for my soil stuff??

Ok I will start a trhead here in a Bit, ill call it Teach Philo Hydro DWC Style or sumthing clever....^^
Those nutes should be fine. Just use them in moderation.
 

phxfire

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Ha ha I appreciate the comment but yes I have been personally growing my own for about that time. I mean I have been around it for around 6 years now and seeing how it's done. Many different systems, lots of failures to go along with tons of successes. I guess you can say I've been around the ropes a few times.
Bird is the word!
 
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