Too dark?

I think they are very happy. I'm turning to 12 dark now.

they look like a good time to flip to me

some people run the veg nutes until week 2 of 12/12

usually only if they are running a low N formula for bloom they switch from veg to bloom food later so they don't get yellow too soon

you mix isn't what I consider low on N so you could do it either way
you can start bloom nutes now
or
you could run the veg nutes for 7 days of 12/12
then switch to bloom and watch to see if they show premature yellowing

if they do then next time run the veg nutes until week 2 of 12/12 before switching

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Also if you could choose to give them proper light spectrum for veg and proper for flower, would you change the spectrum once you switch to 12/12 or once you consider the plant to be flowering?

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they say red for bloom and blue for veg but you can use either or, or any combo of the two

I use both red and blue during veg and red during bloom(personally)

but id have no issues with running either red or blue or both during veg

Is there something you see that makes you switch? Here's a visual update after 12hr of dark.
Still sucking more nutrient then water I keep bumping up to 850-900 with top offs.

JohnDoeTho said:

Is there something you see that makes you switch? Here's a visual update after 12hr of dark.
Still sucking more nutrient then water I keep bumping up to 850-900 with top offs.

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I don't understand your question

switch what?

switch from long days to short one?

you can grow it 6" tall and switch the light cycle then or you can gorw it 3 ft tall and switch it then...it just depends on how big you want it to get or if in doors its more about how much space you have to fill

Sorry should of quoted your response. Switch ratio of blue/red lighting. What effect do you get? Do you use one for more node spacing or?

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Sorry should of quoted your response. Switch ratio of blue/red lighting. What effect do you get? Do you use one for more node spacing or?

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ah

ok sorry

theres so much literature available on light spectrum im sure it would be easy to find

I have read things about blue being tighter spaced and red having more stretch but I have never noticed it personally either way

theres also info about it in flower and how the spectrum might or might not enhance essential oils or whatever but again ive not personally noticed a difference

ive never done a side by side comparison grow so its possible I might not realize the difference
currently
I use both blue and red T5 bulbs for veg and a broad spectrum hps bulb gravita DE for bloom

back before the DE bulb

I would buy the hortiliux 1000 watt $120 which has a good bit of blue but mostly red when I had the extra money but if money was tight I just bought the cheapest red 1000 watt bulbe they had $65

I noticed no significant difference

since switching to the DE bulb theres a huge difference

Oh I see. Well my only real option is veg mode and bloom mode. Visibly veg mode has more blue spectrum and bloom red. I know that bloom setting uses more wattage as well. I'm using LED light for both. It wasn't as affordable as the lights you mentioned, so it better work! Lol

Oh yea and uvb light tubes on the side

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Oh yea and uvb light tubes on the side

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ive never had the money to buy LED so I have no experience with them

uvb is suppose to bring out certain oils in the plant or something... it might affect cbd maybe I cant remember exactly
its been to many years since ive looked at it

Yea well the claim is now with the life span and energy efficiency, in the long wrong it's cost effective. We will see....800$ a light and they better last the 5+ years they claim.

What is kind of odd is I have seen some new leaves exhibiting tips pointing downwards. I've been topping with full strength. Ppm is still going down when water level goes down, but it's making me half tempted to just top off with ph balanced water

JohnDoeTho said:

What is kind of odd is I have seen some new leaves exhibiting tips pointing downwards. I've been topping with full strength. Ppm is still going down when water level goes down, but it's making me half tempted to just top off with ph balanced water

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don't

as long as the ppm goes down and the ph goes up your not over feeding

if you want to flush 1x every week or two for good measure that's perfectly fine

give us a pic of the leaves pointing downward,

I knew you would ask for that . Lights on is in 4 hour I'll pop in right before lights on, I'll post a pic. It's not severe or every leaf or anything. Change my name to Frantic Fran. And it wasn't new growth. But also wasn't shaded where it would really have a possibility of N tox. I did some reading and listening to my buddy telling me to
Drop my lights down a lot was a bad move..... luckily I had only done that for one 12 hr light cycle. According to my reading more powerful LED can't be super close like when LED first came out. While it won't damage due to heat, it actually still damages from too much lumen I guess. So it's possible that could of been associated with it too. And yes as they would drink ppm was going down and ph very slightly up, nothing drastic though. I think orca helps maintain that as the beneficial bacteria's waste actually drops PH or something like that.

I don't think the orca has much to do with it and if it did it would be so fractional its not worth noting; but I haven't done any reading on it so I could be wrong

the ph swing is a good indication of whats happing

first lets point out a smaller reservoir will swing ph faster than a large one
but setting that aside

you will get a feel for your system and the speed at which the PH will rise

if the ph is rising quick that's an indication of how much you've under shot the PPM

if the ppm is close to ideal the ph will rise slow
if the ppm is low the ph will rise quick
if the ppm is very low the ph will rise very quick
if the ph don't rise, you've over fed

if you have a super huge/over sized reservoir it will take longer for the ph change to show which is a disadvantage
but
a large reservoir has other advantages requiring less frequent maintenance

so theres a happy medium

Yea I've already given thought to running tubs instead of buckets for a bigger tank...piece of info as I've seen you in a lot of threads and you seem to be a helper. Anyone assuming they are putting 5 gallons of water in their 5 gallon buckets is wrong. I have multiple buckets and my "full" line is actually 4gallons. Would pretty much need to fill to the brim to get 5 gallons. So my 80% mix initially was actually your full suggested. Since then I have only added measured mixed water at full strength. Ppm drop obv started slowing down over the succeeding days. Another hour and half and I won't be disturbing them to go check ppm, ph, and snap some pics. I'm not sure what kind of damage remains from the too close of light. I'll try to get you shots of both.

So I was probably just noticing them feed less which is why I was seeing the ph have less fluctuation with each succeeding day as well. So if ph goes up would you dilute immediately or ride it out?

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Yea I've already given thought to running tubs instead of buckets for a bigger tank...piece of info as I've seen you in a lot of threads and you seem to be a helper. Anyone assuming they are putting 5 gallons of water in their 5 gallon buckets is wrong. I have multiple buckets and my "full" line is actually 4gallons. Would pretty much need to fill to the brim to get 5 gallons. So my 80% mix initially was actually your full suggested. Since then I have only added measured mixed water at full strength. Ppm drop obv started slowing down over the succeeding days. Another hour and half and I won't be disturbing them to go check ppm, ph, and snap some pics. I'm not sure what kind of damage remains from the too close of light. I'll try to get you shots of both.

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that's why I recommend you mix in a trash can container and then fill your buckets with it

and not try and measure each bucket individually

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So I was probably just noticing them feed less which is why I was seeing the ph have less fluctuation with each succeeding day as well. So if ph goes up would you dilute immediately or ride it out?

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the ph is suppose to go up

if the ph stays flat I would dilute it

if its flat only dilute it maybe 10% because your close to spot on

if its gone down give it a quick flush and a new batch with lower ppm

Lol oops I meant down.