Thinking Outside the Box

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ttystikk

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why is it when you have nothing of substance to say, you still feel the need to chime in?
Someone needs to rebut your incessant bullshit.

For example, you've yet to prove any of your underlying assumptions, such as why or how dissolved oxygen levels over 100% are A. possible to maintain or B. beneficial in any measurable way.
 

PetFlora

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I’ve seen most of your grows on here and yes your right they do look like shit, but yes shitty looking plants can still get you stoned, I’ve grown a few lol. But, when growing indoors the ideal is to optimize the cycle to get the most with the least amount of energy and this is where IMO you have failed. I do give you credit though for posting what I consider subpar plants that show what doesn’t work. Waterfalls work very well and grow, for most that try, really nice, big plants. I’m not sure what your agenda is with this persistent O2 generator thing but until you have it in hand and get it up and running (you said a couple of months, a month ago btw) why are you talking/promoting about it in multiple threads, I just don’t get the why. It’s somewhat reminiscent of J Henry ..... I cringe at that name lol.
I cringe at JH too, but that doesn't mean he was wrong. Clearly, he did not know how to get his point across, and well all the jackals came out to crush him, much like they do me. Maybe it's you lot who are invested in waterfalls and bubblers. Science and Technology marches on in spite of those like you lot

But to all the Jackals, until you've actually grown with it, all you offer is OPINION based on NOTHING. Why do you protect your bit of knowledge on DO so furiously?

Don't think I haven't noticed that none of you commented on my last grow (post #9)?

That said, I do understand that relative information has been very difficult to find, and while this video may not convince you, it convinced me. I ordered a 2020 yesterday

And not that I owe any of you a reason for when I start my next grow, I may be going away for a week in early October, and if so, will wait until I get back

 

PetFlora

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Someone needs to rebut your incessant bullshit.

For example, you've yet to prove any of your underlying assumptions, such as why or how dissolved oxygen levels over 100% are A. possible to maintain or B. beneficial in any measurable way.
Right back at ya
 

PetFlora

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I'm not the one making unproven assertions.

Keep calculatin'
you just made my point. You hve ZERO science to prove that waterfalls are the OPTIMAL means of providing DO (and you know I use them), and yet you cannot perceive that another method COULD be much better
 

SSR

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For example, you've yet to prove any of your underlying assumptions, such as why or how dissolved oxygen levels over 100% are A. possible to maintain or B. beneficial in any measurable way.
Was that in this thread?

I hate to burst bubbles and I'll try help anyone do anything but.....
That's wayyyyyyyy past the point of what's considered saturation, actually its beyond the point of supersaturation.

Levels of dissolved gas approaching supersaturation are toxic to plants, not a benefit
 

PetFlora

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Was that in this thread?

I hate to burst bubbles and I'll try help anyone do anything but.....
That's wayyyyyyyy past the point of what's considered saturation, actually its beyond the point of supersaturation.

Levels of dissolved gas approaching supersaturation are toxic to plants, not a benefit
clearly, you didn't bother to watch the video and what credentials/science/research do you have to suggest your knowledge ion this subject as superior?

You've only been here a few months, you don't have a grow to show your knowledge, and yet here is your arrogant post to identify yourself: " Times i may not give the whole story when replying, just enough so that folk don't mess up their grow, some digging or experiments will help

What you seem to be 'OFFERING" is censorship

you all keep proving your bias and desire to remain ignorant, which equates to stupid. And you can't fix stupid

If you really wanted to help, you would say, hey he could be on to something. either way, let's sit back and see
 
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SSR

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Bias and Ignorant, really?
Who's the person attempting to assist you?
With that one statement you've ensured no further help from me
If youre referring to the hydrolosis video above i did watch it and it reminded me of the blurple LED fad advertising.

If hydrolosis were a viable economical solution it would be used in industry. I've just about 25 years experience in industry and can tell you that if your aim is to raise DO to supersaturation you are the ignorant one.
 
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PetFlora

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Bias and Ignorant, really?
Who's the person attempting to assist you?
With that one statement you've entered no further help from me
If youre referring to the hydrolosis video above i did watch it and it reminded me of the blurple LED fad advertising.

If hydrolosis were a viable economical solution it would be used in industry. I've just about 25 years experience in industry and can tell you that if your aim is to raise DO to supersaturation you are the ignorant one.

Where did I say commercially? although the orchid grower is clearly commercial as well as a research lab,

25 years experience, and yet no research to prove your insistence that using an emitter has negative benefit

Please go away
 

SSR

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Im not going to sink to your level of name calling or attacking because i don't agree with you but will say you need to grow up just a smidge

If you had ANY instrumentation or engineering background it would take you two seconds to realise there's a reason theyre not used

I wish you well drinking from the pot you pissed in and hope you have many many pleasant hours cleaning electrodes and screens.
With that ill bid you good day

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/dissolved-gases
Some reading about saturation of dissolved gasses.
 

Budley Doright

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I cringe at JH too, but that doesn't mean he was wrong. Clearly, he did not know how to get his point across, and well all the jackals came out to crush him, much like they do me. Maybe it's you lot who are invested in waterfalls and bubblers. Science and Technology marches on in spite of those like you lot

But to all the Jackals, until you've actually grown with it, all you offer is OPINION based on NOTHING. Why do you protect your bit of knowledge on DO so furiously?

Don't think I haven't noticed that none of you commented on my last grow (post #9)?

That said, I do understand that relative information has been very difficult to find, and while this video may not convince you, it convinced me. I ordered a 2020 yesterday

And not that I owe any of you a reason for when I start my next grow, I may be going away for a week in early October, and if so, will wait until I get back

I offered observations and asked legitimate questions and you respond with name calling. Not once did I say it does or doesn’t work. I’m just curious as to why you don’t perfect what you have rather than search for a magic bullet. Clearly your plants are subpar, again in my opinion, and there is lots you could do with what you have to improve things. You seem to have many environmental things to over come before moving on ;).
 

SSR

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You've only been here a few months, you don't have a grow to show your knowledge, and yet here is your arrogant post to identify yourself: " Times i may not give the whole story when replying, just enough so that folk don't mess up their grow, some digging or experiments will help

What you seem to be 'OFFERING" is censorship
I was going to reply to this part earlier and got sidetracked.
You may think it comes across as arrogant but when people are learning you don't throw them in the deep end, plus i had to learn by research not forums.
Nothing wrong with expecting people to do their own research after a nudge in the right direction.
Also, my signature used to say don't ask for photos as it simply won't happen. You like signatures and should've noticed that when i first began replying. If you'd bothered to read the other things i wrote on my profile you'd see there's a whole message and that's simply the last part.

I dont recommend things if they haven't worked for me ;)
As for me showing no grows that won't happen until it's legal in my location. Not everyone enjoys the benefits of legalality and you should bear those things in mind in future. Yes I've only been here a few months, ive managed to grow a long time by avoiding places like this and keeping my mouth shut.
 

Budley Doright

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clearly, you didn't bother to watch the video and what credentials/science/research do you have to suggest your knowledge ion this subject as superior?

You've only been here a few months, you don't have a grow to show your knowledge, and yet here is your arrogant post to identify yourself: " Times i may not give the whole story when replying, just enough so that folk don't mess up their grow, some digging or experiments will help

What you seem to be 'OFFERING" is censorship

you all keep proving your bias and desire to remain ignorant, which equates to stupid. And you can't fix stupid

If you really wanted to help, you would say, hey he could be on to something. either way, let's sit back and see
Speaking of time here and stupid/ignorant (yet again lowering yourself to name calling, a theme with you), you’ve been here what? 8-9 years and still growing sub par plants. How can anyone take you seriously? When things go bad (and they always do) with your plants and others have tried to help, you get all defensive, and yup, start calling people names. Why do you do that? Hopefully my spelling and grammar is fine, I know that also sets you off into a name calling tirade lol.
 
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