The Universe!!!

Educated_Black_Man

Educated_Black_Man

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lol
skunk kush u crack me tha fuck up
in MY belief, time is only motion therefore if everything stopped "time" would cease to exist and if u believe that there is a fate than U DONT have freewill and if u think about it...im a intense thinker....u will understand where im comin from
 
skunkushybrid

skunkushybrid

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Educated_Black_Man said:
lol
skunk kush u crack me tha fuck up
in MY belief, time is only motion therefore if everything stopped "time" would cease to exist and if u believe that there is a fate than U DONT have freewill and if u think about it...im a intense thinker....u will understand where im comin from
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Oh come on... IF everything stopped? If everything stopped (hypothetically) then everything would cease to exist.

I said there is only one fate (for the individual) and this is death. I do not believe that our lives are fated. I'm not sure where belief in fate rests, it's not for the religous (for if a god gave us free will there could be no such thing as fate), and it's not for the atheists (for belief in fate suggests that there is some outward force shaping our destiny).
 
Educated_Black_Man

Educated_Black_Man

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Tell me what leads u to believe in time, future,

lets say ur life is written stone.....i mean EXACTLY in stone......
wat if u die tomorrow and you werent supposed to

To prove time is motion, listen...
If future is a real thing(im still workin with that concept you may be right)
than if we all died and everything else did too....than nuthin would go forward
sooo for "time" to exhist you need motion or events
therefore life+motion/events=time

And you shouldnt even start wit that shit....."lets see if u live up to that handle" dont even start with me ill debate you on any subject, than tell me how educated i am
 
skunkushybrid

skunkushybrid

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There is no debate at present because I agree with you. Life is motion, motion is time, time is life.

You could present the same argument for the past, you could say that the past doesn't exist because it has already happened. The future doesn't exist within the present there is only an expectance of, also the future can only exist if we have a past and present.

The future is not a guarantee, and only arrives when we reminisce the past, even then it is only a memory of the future. I have to agree with you EBM, the future does not exist... yet.

Although time, that's a different matter.
 
7xstall

7xstall

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the future does not exist... yet.

doesn't there have to be a future if there is a present? are not the various momentums and forces of the present "causing" time to carry forward, constructing the future? does it not exist simply because we are not conscious of it "yet"? this would seem ego-centric and opposed to your earlier statement that time requires none of our acknowledgement.

do our collective observations/recordings only give something merit as either having been or having yet to be?

if the universe and inate energy therein provisions a continuance of time isn't there a possibility that one could take all variables into account and accurately predict the "fate" of anything, even things that have "free will"? would knowing "all" of the past then = knowing all of the future?
 
skunkushybrid

skunkushybrid

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I kind of agree with you 7x, I think. This is a very complicated subject, as the future exists only when it has become the present.

As EBM said, everything could just stop... suspended in a perpetual present. If this were the case then the future would not exist, only the present. So even though we are living in the present the future cannot exist until it happens, yet when it does it ceases to exist because it becomes the present.

So the future can exist, and exists all the time, only it's age cannot be measured.
 
Educated_Black_Man

Educated_Black_Man

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grr...this is gonna be hard to explain....

um...lets see......
everytime a second passes tha future has occured.....so if u think about it than this is a perpetual present.....basically every single second IS tha present....damn i think i contradicted myself
.....If you think about it a different way than tha present can only occur if everything stands still, but PERPETUAL present just keeps happening, therefore.............there are three different "times" past, present, and perpetual present.
and i bet that there are different forms of each "time".

wow.....*headache*....imma have to think about this more:roll: :blsmoke:
 
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frthnkr85

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time is an enigma as i've stated before... it will always exist because it is one of the key elements of eternity... also time can't be measured by human standards so according to you skunk it doesn't exist... because anything you can't see with you own eyes can't possibly exist... i try not to get mad at anyone but skunk you are ignorant... your religion is just as bad as any fanatic christian muslim hindu etc could ever be... you taunt people when they don't subscribe to your brand of bull shit and make pointless arguments to try and make yourself feel better... to prove your point time can't be explained and therefore doesn't exist... because where time in one spot is measured and constant at any other given place it is not... on the earth this only varies by hours between countries in the universe it is days weeks months years... you get the idea... so where time as we see it being 3 on thursday in march 2007 is something completly different elsewhere in the universe... so our past as we call it could still be the present somewhere else and our future if you will could have already happened... so time just as gravity nor anything else truly exists beyond our own perception of such... therefore our will makes our reality what it is... everything around you is a creation of humans... your house your yard your country your language everything... it is all something someone made up sometime and took the time and energy to make their idea a reality... when this earth was first formed nothing was here but nothing... it took millions of years for us to be to the point where we are now.. but one of skunks ancestors would have never believed we would have gotten here because it wouldn't have been something he or she could feel or touch so to them it would have been impossible and their common sense would have told them it couldn't exist... lucky for us there are and were those out there that had the creative spark gifted to humanity not doused by ignorant water thoughts and we were able to advance to where we are now and thank god that there are still those out there that can see there is more to this world/universe then their own face...
 
Educated_Black_Man

Educated_Black_Man

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I dont think much about eternity yet
but what if there isnt such a thing as eternity and tha galaxy, universes, our lives, and everything are on a tickin clock and after a while everything stops permanently.....but i guess nuthin is permanent.....who knows maybe every single thing dies and ends tomorrow, how do we know tomorrow we will live.
i mean you cant see time, at least i wouldnt think it possible......but time isnt nature at all its man-made in fact time shouldnt be called time.....because its only determining how long sumthin takes to go around tha Sun, to spin on its axis, or shit like that....so who tha fuck called it time.....maybe there is sumthin called "time" but we dont know what tha fuck it is...makes you think doesnt it,

One other thing ive wondered is that what if, tha big bang has occured numerous times, what if tha planet earth has been created numerous times in different forms, lots of what if..........Just throwin that out there
 
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frthnkr85

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eternity does exist though the universe does exist and both are so far beyond human understanding it would make your head spin... but the only way to begin understanding at all is to stop trying if you can grasp that idea...
 
Educated_Black_Man

Educated_Black_Man

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Thats tha problem with society.....we've developed all this technology and reduced tha usage of our brains to 10% goddamn......we used to be able to move with out legs....as in by power of thought, maybe we've fucked everything up instead of improving it, but i guess if we could use 100% of our brains we'd end in apocalypse and kill everyone with thought....so i guess us, humans, make improvements that fuck shit up and improve at that same time
 
Educated_Black_Man

Educated_Black_Man

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ive thought of something.....

Maybe we try to solve things in a complicated manner, yet it's prolly as easy as 2+2.......

or maybe all these thousands of years teaching each generation facts mixed wit opinions has made it nearly impossible to grasp tha truth.....therefore maybe in tha past sumone with tha simplest mind could prolly grasp tha truth
....AMAZING......i should write a book
 
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eatinbabybrains

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skunkushybrid said:
I must have misunderstood you, it's because I was arguing with frth' the man that doesn't know anything. How can you see something for yourself if there isn't anything to see? Surely the act of not seeing it should be enough for you? You say you know we made up belief in gods and then in the next breath say that you are not sure if one exists because you have never seen it. It appears as though you could answer the same question as frth. As you have never seen them, or not seen them, could fairies exist?
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What I need to see is proof that God does not exist. Now I have no clue what form that proof may take, if any form at all, But that's the way it is.

Lets look at the traditional definition of a Fairy: A creature invisible to adults (I am correct on this no?). It is wildly implausible, yes, but the simple fact remains that if it WERE possible that fairies existed, we still would never be able to see them. So to me, it really doesn't matter one way or another whether they exist or not. That's sort of the way I see it with God. I don't care one way or another wether he exists or not. I am fully prepared for whichever way it may turn out to be. If he's a christian/muslim/jewish/etc God, I would gladly go to hell because I don't believe such a god would be worthy of my worship. If God turns out to be more merciful, or to not exist at all, than I don't have a thing to worry about. So it really just doesn't matter to me one way or another. Who the fuck cares anyways. We're all gonna end up at the same place eventually, whatever that place may turn out to be.
 
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eatinbabybrains

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sasarchiver said:
time does exist, it started with the birth of the universe and will die with it too.
I was liking all the discussions here on the subject but its turned into a debate....
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But what if the universe was never "born" at all, what if it has existed for eternity and always will? Would time still really exist than?
 
skunkushybrid

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frthnkr85 said:
time is an enigma as i've stated before... it will always exist because it is one of the key elements of eternity... also time can't be measured by human standards so according to you skunk it doesn't exist... because anything you can't see with you own eyes can't possibly exist... i try not to get mad at anyone but skunk you are ignorant...

What the fuck are you talking about you little fucking gimp? I don't believe things because I can't see them? WTF? There are plenty of things that I can't see that I know exist. You believe in fucking tinkerbell, you little muppet.

your religion is just as bad as any fanatic christian muslim hindu etc could ever be... you taunt people when they don't subscribe to your brand of bull shit and make pointless arguments to try and make yourself feel better... to prove your point time can't be explained and therefore doesn't exist... because where time in one spot is measured and constant at any other given place it is not... on the earth this only varies by hours between countries in the universe it is days weeks months years... you get the idea... so where time as we see it being 3 on thursday in march 2007 is something completly different elsewhere in the universe... so our past as we call it could still be the present somewhere else and our future if you will could have already happened... so time just as gravity nor anything else truly exists beyond our own perception of such... therefore our will makes our reality what it is... everything around you is a creation of humans... your house your yard your country your language everything... it is all something someone made up sometime and took the time and energy to make their idea a reality... when this earth was first formed nothing was here but nothing... it took millions of years for us to be to the point where we are now.. but one of skunks ancestors would have never believed we would have gotten here because it wouldn't have been something he or she could feel or touch so to them it would have been impossible and their common sense would have told them it couldn't exist... lucky for us there are and were those out there that had the creative spark gifted to humanity not doused by ignorant water thoughts and we were able to advance to where we are now and thank god that there are still those out there that can see there is more to this world/universe then their own face...
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You drone on and on about lots of bullshit. I'm also a little tired of you telling me what i believe, despite me telling you over and over again to the contrary. You really are a pathetic little prick frth'. I've thought that since you very first started posting your ignorant views. A lot of your posts are easily ignored as you only repeat what has been said already by others, or even yourself. I first clocked you were a moron the moment you stated you had heard several atheists call out to a god on their deathbeds. An outright lie, frth'. I called you on it too, then I deliberately forgot about it after making you a little hot under the collar, to keep things nice. Telling lies to back up your bullshit is something a child would do, yet this is your level frth'. You also claimed that you were/are in the air force, I believe this to be a lie also.

So nothing exists beyond our perception of such? Individual perception or mass perception? You really have no clue what you are talking about frth'. What about the perception of animals? Or don't they count? What about plants? Do they only have perception of time?
 
skunkushybrid

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eatinbabybrains said:
What I need to see is proof that God does not exist. Now I have no clue what form that proof may take, if any form at all, But that's the way it is.

There is lots of proof. Our biggest religions are only 2, 000 years old, give or take. Cro-Magnon man appeared 65, 000 years ago (towards the end of the last ice-age). Before belief in this one god came about people worshipped the sun and the rain, the very earth itself. To us these things were unexplainable at the time, so we worshipped the elements. As we grew, learned, got bored, we needed more things to make our life satisfying. You could say that our cost of living had gone up. We wanted things, needed things, so we decided that there must be something controlling these elements. So we invented gods for all of them. So, we started by praying (if you will) to the rain, then to an invisible entity that controls the rain. After a while we put an image to the rain god, made it something we could see, an idol. I'm sure you see where I'm going with this. I'm sure that were I to go on I would write an essay. To sum it up, the brunt of the proof is in history. We, quite simply, made it up in the hope that it would make our lives better.

Lets look at the traditional definition of a Fairy: A creature invisible to adults (I am correct on this no?). It is wildly implausible, yes, but the simple fact remains that if it WERE possible that fairies existed, we still would never be able to see them. So to me, it really doesn't matter one way or another whether they exist or not.

It may not matter one way or the other. It is not only wildly implausible (quite tactful on your part), but it is a fact. Fairies do not exist. I actually dare you to say they could. It is exactly the same thing as saying a god could exist. There are people that believed king arthur (camelot) actually existed, Robin Hood... these are all stories. Just like gods, just like fairies. The same argument is used with King Arthur... 'well there could have been.'
Completely ignoring the fact that it was penned from the imagination of a man.

That's sort of the way I see it with God. I don't care one way or another wether he exists or not. I am fully prepared for whichever way it may turn out to be. If he's a christian/muslim/jewish/etc God, I would gladly go to hell because I don't believe such a god would be worthy of my worship. If God turns out to be more merciful, or to not exist at all, than I don't have a thing to worry about. So it really just doesn't matter to me one way or another. Who the fuck cares anyways. We're all gonna end up at the same place eventually, whatever that place may turn out to be.
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If you didn't care you wouldn't bother writing in this thread. It is only natural to search for answers. Ignorance is not bliss.
 
7xstall

7xstall

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EBM, about the more than one Earth theory, you'll like this:

when i was a kid i had a theory that this is the 4th Earth. the biblical number 666 represented not six hundred sixty six but 6, 6, 6. three consecutive previous attempts of evil to overthrow God (7) but falling short. somewhat corallary i noticed that there are 3 major pre-historic eras on this planet, according to sedimentary records. three major catastrophic events have occured and left an entire ecosystem as nothing more than a shadow...

when i formed this "theory" i actually set up a "conference" with my parents, i had my little science school book, the bible, some national geographics and i unveiled my hypothesis. lol! i was expecting them to be in awe of this revolutionary set of observations i had made.

my dad said, in his always thoughtful and objective voice, "well, you certainly have some evidence son, but the only way to know for sure is to ask God." haha

the moral i learned, as you hinted in your last post, was to keep things as simple as circumstances will allow; over complicating things, even your own perspective, can cause you to miss the point. :)
 
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frthnkr85

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post #153 Can You Adam and Eve It

and skunk to prove a point I will bring back some memories i would not really like to think about but i will try to be brief... I loaded aircraft in the airforce... well i did more then that but thats all you need to know for this story.. anyhow... i worked twelve hour shifts at balad AB if you look you can see it is a base in the middle of the suni triangle... in the course of loading aircraft we had to every night during my shift load the baggage for med evac planes to germany... the people that were put on this plane were mostly army and marine personnel wounded during combat... some were pretty bad... so much so that i saw quite a few die right there on the plane... when military personnel die in a combat zone they do not fly them out because the benefits their family recieve for them giving their life in a warzone are substantially better then those that they would recieve if the death certificate were written elsewhere... so many times i saw people in their weakest moments and more often then not their last words were to god... now how did i know they were atheist?... well another part of my job was being present when caskets were loaded on to the aircraft to be flown out... and if the person was religious then they would have a preist of their faith send them off before they left... well the memories stick in my mind for they are unpleasent and i noticed a lot of those people that i had to see pass away had no preist... and no preist means one thing in the military and that is that they were atheist and wanted no ceramony and that their wishes were followed... i'm sure that is proof enough for you skunk...

There you go you cunt... if you had read my posts way back when its all there for you in black and white... but oh i forgot you tend to forget about things that don't prove your point and resort to name calling... i've read your rhetoric in other posts and seen how you try and jump on people that don't believe what you believe... your full of shit and you know it thats why you resort to the antics of a 10 year old... but fire with fire right... i don't need you to believe shit that i say i could give 2 fucks... but don't try to insult me because you don't like what you hear... and i was in the fuckin airforce more then you could probably ever say that you did... in fact i got kicked out and had to go to the brig (military prison) because i started smoking weed again after coming back from Iraq after not smoking for 2 years... fuck i almost died over there when a rocket hit my tent... not to mention all the grisly shit i saw as referenced above... so i hope you choke on your own fuckin words and have a near death experience so maybe you can have some of that proof you like to keep trying to throw around... you just fucking hear what you want to hear and keep throwing out your stale ass points... well i'm not buying what you are selling and you will just have to get over it... good luck with your meaningless life... with all of your knowledge... i probably knew more then you by the time i was 5... your religion is the sickest of them all.... the religion of ignorance which you could be the leader of easily... you think you know things that you have no way of knowing because you have never left your city i bet... i think you are the lying piece of shit i have more then enough to back up what i say and by admitting i could be wrong and giving everyone a fair opinion i prove myself... your ignorant pursuit of your points and backing up of such is by far as fanatical as it gets... hell if you believed in allah i'm sure the radical muslims would have a place for you because you are the type that would readily blow yourself up for what you believe in without ever stopping to think you could be wrong... and finally get bent asshole...
 
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