The Truth About Flushing

CannaBruh

CannaBruh

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Mr.Head said:
Flushing, in the context used by cannabis growers, is to fix their overfeeding. Flushing has no place in agriculture. .
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You have to be careful with assumptions. Nobody, not one single grower I know uses flushing to "fix" anything in an ideal run.

Is it a tool to "fix" some mishaps, yes it is available, but in an ideal run where a flush is incorporated at the end that is the end of the process.
 
Chunky Stool

Chunky Stool

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Mr.Head said:
Flushing, in the context used by cannabis growers, is to fix their overfeeding. Flushing has no place in agriculture. It would be an environmental disaster i.e. Flint Michigan.

If you can't grow crops in your soil because you fucked it up to the point of damaging plants then you shouldn't be farming.

Flushing is for container growers. A lot of flushing is because people are trying to maximize yield through food instead of genetics, it's a ridiculous approach IMO. Farmers don't pick low yielding corn varieties then pump the soil full of shit they know that variety of corn won't use. Cannabis growers do this regularly thinking over feeding is going to help...

Plants are not people, you can't just feed them more and make them fatter. at a certain point they just say fuck you that's the best you get and all that extra you put in just sits there until it starts to do damage and then they try and remove it..... No amount of food will help yet growers still pour more shit on their soil.
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I like you, Mr. Head. :eyesmoke:

Plants talk to us, just like our bodies do. Whether or not we listen is our choice, but ignoring obvious signals is a sure recipe for disaster.
If your plant is happy and healthy, why not leave it the fuck alone? How about that? There's no need to overfeed.
Nutes are like perfume.
The right amount is *very* nice. :twisted:
Too much is always nasty (and not in a good way). :-(
 
Mr.Head

Mr.Head

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CannaBruh said:
You have to be careful with assumptions. Nobody, not one single grower I know uses flushing to "fix" anything in an ideal run.

Is it a tool to "fix" some mishaps, yes it is available, but in an ideal run where a flush is incorporated at the end that is the end of the process.
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People have been doing it for years, I have no doubt they can produce nice flowers this way.

Is it ideal though?

If there's not salt build up in the soil then there's no reason to flush. The fact they are flushing means there are too much available nutrients in the soil for the plants to be able to start finishing on their own. There seems to be a consensus on this negatively effecting the taste so they are trying to correct this to recover the desired flavour profiles.

Is there something wrong with that? No, not from a plant growth stand point if it's done right they seem to be able to keep the plant happy.

I don't think it's ethical, especially on a large scale, as all those nutrients are going right back into the ground water eventually and fucking the world up, but that's hippy nonsense to some :)

I'm one of them organic water only hippies :) My plants fade on their own if I did it right and I've never had bad yields. I grow small plants though.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Chunky Stool said:
Once again you have made an incorrect assumption.
How old are you anyway?
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Bet 2nd year university
CannaBruh said:
You have to be careful with assumptions. Nobody, not one single grower I know uses flushing to "fix" anything in an ideal run.

Is it a tool to "fix" some mishaps, yes it is available, but in an ideal run where a flush is incorporated at the end that is the end of the process.
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Don't the flushing at the end growers flush for transition between veg and flower. Pretty standard for the flushing propagators. And usually again at week 5 or so to set up for peak bloom nute change. Then again at the end of course.

Greenhouse seeds has videos showing this.
 
Chunky Stool

Chunky Stool

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MichiganMedGrower said:
Bet 2nd year university



Don't the flushing at the end growers flush for transition between veg and flower. Pretty standard for the flushing propagators. And usually again at week 5 or so to set up for peak bloom nute change. Then again at the end of course.

Greenhouse seeds has videos showing this.
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That's a lot of flushing!
It sounds like people might be getting into trouble with "semi-organic" growing.
Example: Mix a custom batch of soil but plants show N deficiency early.
Give em some Jacks or Dyna Gro and it's all good, right?
Maybe.
The plant got the N it was craving, but it also got extra P, K, and a variety of micros that it may or may not need.
Grower notices that the plant responded positively to the increased N, so he gives it another does of synthetics.
See where this is going...?
 
CannaBruh

CannaBruh

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MichiganMedGrower said:
Bet 2nd year university



Don't the flushing at the end growers flush for transition between veg and flower. Pretty standard for the flushing propagators. And usually again at week 5 or so to set up for peak bloom nute change. Then again at the end of course.

Greenhouse seeds has videos showing this.
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I don't, I slowly transition from veg to flower blend in the early weeks of flower.

The only flush mid-run would be to correct a screwy ec/ph, and then it's not even a flush, it's more of dump the reservoir and dial it back in. Flush would have to be over some duration of time, whereas in dwc a res change can happen as quick as dump and fill and dial it back in, maybe 10 minutes depending on your flow rate of your water source container size # of containers.
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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For the plant that has almost everything, or too much of something IMG_4639.PNG I use these guys for my 2 part but am thinking of switching to these certified organic to try when transitioning to flower
 
jarvild

jarvild

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My hydro nutrients suggest flushing once a week. But i don't do it. People tell you to run 15% runoff on each feeding in coco but I don't do that either. Their lucky to get runoff once a week.
I mean really guys sixty pages of banter back and forth with not much common ground.
Grow how you want to grow, if it works for you great but don't put the next guy down just because he doesn't grow your way. Or flushes or not
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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CannaBruh said:
Water only hydro when plants are done for a fade, that is all
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When you say fade do you mean
Chunky Stool said:
That's a lot of flushing!
It sounds like people might be getting into trouble with "semi-organic" growing.
Example: Mix a custom batch of soil but plants show N deficiency early.
Give em some Jacks or Dyna Gro and it's all good, right?
Maybe.
The plant got the N it was craving, but it also got extra P, K, and a variety of micros that it may or may not need.
Grower notices that the plant responded positively to the increased N, so he gives it another does of synthetics.
See where this is going...?
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I don't know how the 2 quotes got put together. Weird.

And yes. I am guilty of "fixing" a plant from seed I am having difficulty with by "flushing" or leaching and adding more complete fertilizer and then just treating it that way to the end.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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MichiganMedGrower said:
When you say fade do you mean



I don't know how the 2 quotes got put together. Weird.

And yes. I am guilty of "fixing" a plant from seed I am having difficulty with by "flushing" or leaching and adding more complete fertilizer and then just treating it that way to the end.
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Look. It happened again. I didn't just add that first quote.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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CannaBruh said:
@whitebb2727 You are trying to correlate a study of fiber hemp and the observations of N and thc content to somehow qualify your statement of "if you flush you lose weight, you lose potency" (paraphrasing) and your references simply do not stand up as credibly supporting your argument in that regard.

Further, they demonstrate some relationship that increasing N decreased THC, (a benefit to them as they're growing hemp for fiber) but you seemed to not make that connection ( but they don't really make clear at which stages of growth)


Every question you ask in your latest post has been answered by me and others, but you continue to ask like you refuse to listen.

"It shows the effect of nitrogen on the content in hemp. How do you think that doesn't correlate with other types of cannabis?"
I don't think you understand how to intepret data worth a fuck with any due respect.
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Why not?

It has various charts that show an increase in weight to a certain point and gain in thc to a point.

It supports the theory that optimal feed to the end gives a better plant.

If it increases the in cannabis sativa l, why wouldn't it in cannabis sativa or cannabis indica.



How can anyone think that starving a plant until it fades yields more and taste better?

It needs the proper nutrition to develope the buds. Like any other plant.

Come on. You really believe that? No other crop do we starve them and fade.

Its ridiculous.

There is more than hemp fiber. There is seed and even indica looking hemp.

They are very similar. Its not a far stretch. That is the only study I can find at the moment.

There is another that test all three NPK for potency and yield. It said the same thing for all elements. Optimal is best.

Now. You can my fucking ass. I know damn well how to interpret data. I'm an educated man with a degree.

I'm just having a bit of a debate and fun. No need for you to get your panties in a wad.

Go and starve your damn plants. It makes no matter to me.
CannaBruh said:
100% bullshit supported by nothing you've posted for reference... read your study's again
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At least I posted something. Hemp is close and there is more than fiber hemp. If it makes more the in hemp why wouldn't it in other types of cannabis.

As said ill find the study and you will eat crow.

You made a claim just as I did so show me proof.

Play time farmer.
Budley Doright said:
Deer like winter wheat as well ;).
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Yes they do. My favorite time of year to rabbit hunt with beagles.

People think I'm playing. I don't. The people that known me a while on here know I hunt, catch, trap and grow most my family eats. I grow and can hundreds of quarts of vegetables a year.

I've shown pics of all of it.
 
CannaBruh

CannaBruh

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whitebb2727 said:
Why not?

It has various charts that show an increase in weight to a certain point and gain in thc to a point.

It supports the theory that optimal feed to the end gives a better plant.

If it increases the in cannabis sativa l, why wouldn't it in cannabis sativa or cannabis indica.



How can anyone think that starving a plant until it fades yields more and taste better?

It needs the proper nutrition to develope the buds. Like any other plant.

Come on. You really believe that? No other crop do we starve them and fade.

Its ridiculous.

There is more than hemp fiber. There is seed and even indica looking hemp.

They are very similar. Its not a far stretch. That is the only study I can find at the moment.

There is another that test all three NPK for potency and yield. It said the same thing for all elements. Optimal is best.

Now. You can my fucking ass. I know damn well how to interpret data. I'm an educated man with a degree.

I'm just having a bit of a debate and fun. No need for you to get your panties in a wad.

Go and starve your damn plants. It makes no matter to me.

At least I posted something. Hemp is close and there is more than fiber hemp. If it makes more the in hemp why wouldn't it in other types of cannabis.

As said ill find the study and you will eat crow.

You made a claim just as I did so show me proof.

Play time farmer.

Yes they do. My favorite time of year to rabbit hunt with beagles.

People think I'm playing. I don't. The people that known me a while on here know I hunt, catch, trap and grow most my family eats. I grow and can hundreds of quarts of vegetables a year.

I've shown pics of all of it.
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When is the last time you flushed like I did? I have fed to harvest, have you done any of these experiments yourself, or do you only misinterpret data and spew it as fact hoping to sway people's preferences.

I like green bananas to eat, but I cook with ripe and over-ripe bananas.

I understand that ripe bananas taste sweet, but I prefer them bitter to eat raw.

Cooking with them ripe serves as an oil substitute and in that context I appreciate the sweet flavor.

No amount of telling me that I'm eating bitter bananas or studies cited will convince me that really I should prefer to eat the ones with spots from the peel.

When did you last try to flush, and at what point do you consider plants to be ready for harvest?
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Mr.Head said:
People have been doing it for years, I have no doubt they can produce nice flowers this way.

Is it ideal though?

If there's not salt build up in the soil then there's no reason to flush. The fact they are flushing means there are too much available nutrients in the soil for the plants to be able to start finishing on their own. There seems to be a consensus on this negatively effecting the taste so they are trying to correct this to recover the desired flavour profiles.

Is there something wrong with that? No, not from a plant growth stand point if it's done right they seem to be able to keep the plant happy.

I don't think it's ethical, especially on a large scale, as all those nutrients are going right back into the ground water eventually and fucking the world up, but that's hippy nonsense to some :)

I'm one of them organic water only hippies :) My plants fade on their own if I did it right and I've never had bad yields. I grow small plants though.
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Word.

That's how I am. I started with my parents when I could walk and my kids help me now.

We use nothing but the manure from our livestock and compost to grow our food.

The farms I worked growing up were thousands of acres. The proper use of salts was not only ethical but cost a lot on that scale. You didn't want waste. Lost money.

These type tractors.
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whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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CannaBruh said:
When is the last time you flushed like I did? I have fed to harvest, have you done any of these experiments yourself, or do you only misinterpret data and spew it as fact hoping to sway people's preferences.

I like green bananas to eat, but I cook with ripe and over-ripe bananas.

I understand that ripe bananas taste sweet, but I prefer them bitter to eat raw.

Cooking with them ripe serves as an oil substitute and in that context I appreciate the sweet flavor.

No amount of telling me that I'm eating bitter bananas or studies cited will convince me that really I should prefer to eat the ones with spots from the peel.

When did you last try to flush, and at what point do you consider plants to be ready for harvest?
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Blah, blah, blah.

I've already answered these questions.

Many times. Everything from organics to hydro.

I feed my family with what I grow.

Piss off and go starve your plants.

Yea that study is for hemp. Hemp is cannabis.

How about you take a stab at it and show me so.e proof of your claim.

I bet you don't. You will attack my claim again without any support of yours.
 
CannaBruh

CannaBruh

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whitebb2727 said:
Blah, blah, blah.

I've already answered these questions.

Many times. Everything from organics to hydro.

I feed my family with what I grow.

Piss off and go starve your plants.

Yea that study is for hemp. Hemp is cannabis.

How about you take a stab at it and show me so.e proof of your claim.

I bet you don't. You will attack my claim again without any support of yours.
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The proof buddy is I have performed the comparisons you have failed to attempt.
What support are you looking for?

My claim was that your assertion of "less potency less weight from flush" was BS. It is, absolute bullshit, prove it, prove your position when you haven't even done the work to form any opinion.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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CannaBruh said:
The proof buddy is I have performed the comparisons you have failed to attempt.
What support are you looking for?

My claim was that your assertion of "less potency less weight from flush" was BS. It is, absolute bullshit, prove it, prove your position when you haven't even done the work to form any opinion.
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Where are getting I haven't done the work?

I have a very inquisitive mind. I've always wanted to know how things tick.

I've tried damn near every trick or myth for cannabis growing there is.

My stance is a proper feed to the end provides the best results.

Water at the end is fine.

Pay close attention. I am asserting that if you flush to the point of fade the plant is deficient. If it is deficient it will be lacking. That stands to reason.

Now, show me otherwise.

Show me a side by side then. If you've done the leg work and can show me wrong then do it.

You can't. Just as I said you would, blah, blah, blah.

Have a good one. Have fun wit those starved plants.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Here you are. It is nothing but your option you are arguing.

I'm trying to put actual science behind it.

You have no leg to stand on. You are arguing opinion.

You can only say it smokes better. I think you fucked a crop up and now you're closed minded about it.

So scared to actually feed one right to the end. Lol.

Further more I can't even find a journal or pics of yours.

Confirmation biased.
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You've been outed. Now show me one of those starved plants or shut up.
 
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