THE SHIT LIST ......
madininagyal
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Got some hermie with dna limited editon fem, but kandy kush by R.p. was one of my favorite for years
tstick
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Seriously...UNLESS you know the seed source, personally, I would be very cautious these days about believing anything when it comes to seeds. The problem is...trust. All seeds look pretty much the same so there is no way to visually tell anything. The only way is to pop them and see what comes up. Breeders can say anything they want when it comes to describing their seeds. Who can dispute it until after the plants flower and start to smell (or not)? So if you see a picture of a frosty nug and a delicious description of the smell and flavor, all you can do is HOPE to get something as-described.
I asked the same question many years ago. "What's to stop anyone from taking a jar of mystery seeds and calling them something like, "Deep Purple, Strawberry ChemCream OG"? and posting a picture of a gorgeous bud that goes along with the description? Then, you buy a pack, pop them and flower them and they turn out to be nothing like the description? So then what? You call up the company to complain and they tell you "Grower Error". What recourse do you have other than to give a negative review? And even if you do, they will have sold a shit-ton of seeds already...made their stab at the quick money and then bounced or renamed their company. Too many situations like this to name, I would guess.
I asked the same question many years ago. "What's to stop anyone from taking a jar of mystery seeds and calling them something like, "Deep Purple, Strawberry ChemCream OG"? and posting a picture of a gorgeous bud that goes along with the description? Then, you buy a pack, pop them and flower them and they turn out to be nothing like the description? So then what? You call up the company to complain and they tell you "Grower Error". What recourse do you have other than to give a negative review? And even if you do, they will have sold a shit-ton of seeds already...made their stab at the quick money and then bounced or renamed their company. Too many situations like this to name, I would guess.
DangerDavez
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Good point. I bought some TGA gear from Hemp Depot and the Jack Skellington was a total bust. Seeds were old af and only 2 of the 11 popped. Both males... The other pack was a bit better with 5 of 7 making it but I've usually had 99 percent success rate in the past. Was very dissapointed but I'm not gonna blame TGA because I usually like his stuff. It was Hemp Depot with old stock that they were trying to clear out. Still, I usually have good experience with Hemp Depot . Just unfortunate that time.
BC Bud Depot on the other hand. STAY AWAY. They are known scammers. My Dad bought a pack of Jack Herer from the local store and not one seed popped. It may have been his first grow but he went 17 out of 18 on the other 3 packs he got. They even stole Joti's God Bud and submitted (and won) a Cannabis Cup with it.
tstick
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I don't get too upset if I get a plant that throws a 'nanner or two in late flower. After all, this wonderful plant has the incredible gift of pollinating itself when it has no other options for seed-making. I think it's like a fail-safe device. No males? Oh, okay...I'll just produce pollen, myself. It's a survival tactic that nature has built into the female plant. I wouldn't blame a deceptive breeder or grower error on that.
The problem is with the part of the cannabis community who portray themselves as brothers and sisters who are united by our common interest in marijuana....but then switch off the love to take your money any way they can get it through deception. It's like one of those cartoons with a little angel whispering into one ear that you should be good and do what's right....but, in the other ear, you have the little devil who is telling you to disregard what's right and deceive people. And, it's become so common for people to just not care about any of it. So when you pop some seeds that are portrayed to look, smell and taste like nectar from Heaven....but end up with a hemp plant....well....
The problem is with the part of the cannabis community who portray themselves as brothers and sisters who are united by our common interest in marijuana....but then switch off the love to take your money any way they can get it through deception. It's like one of those cartoons with a little angel whispering into one ear that you should be good and do what's right....but, in the other ear, you have the little devil who is telling you to disregard what's right and deceive people. And, it's become so common for people to just not care about any of it. So when you pop some seeds that are portrayed to look, smell and taste like nectar from Heaven....but end up with a hemp plant....well....
Amos Otis
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Booyah!
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The problem I have with modern breeders is many find late flower herms to be acceptable and they breed with popular cuts that are known to herm. To me it is totally unacceptable and reverses decades of work done to rid pure lines of this trait before breeding them to other varieties.
Opie1971
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That's just it, a lot of people don't understand that a female mj plant will put out a few "nanners" in LATE bloom as a means of trying to produce offspring by herself, and when they see that happen they start screaming "HERMI"!!
tstick
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I've been growing marijuana since 1975 and I have seen all kinds of landrace females throw 'nanners in late flower. If a cut that's prone to herm is popular, then the herm-factor must not be a big problem because, if it was, then it wouldn't be popular, right?.
I truly believe that the focus is too heavy on "perfect" females....because I've seen plenty of them, too, and, in every single example, it didn't make the quality of the flower better than examples that threw some 'nanners and ended up with a few seeds. If the choice is between plants that are delicious and stony and end up with a few seeds no matter what you do, and plants that are so-so, mediocre in taste and effect, but never throw a 'nanner and remain perfectly pure sinsemilla, then I'm going with the seeded choice every time.
And there are veteran growers who truly believe that allowing plants to do what nature intended them to do (males pollinating females and making seeds), produces better quality weed all-around. It's the yield that suffers....But, again, things like yield and pure-sinsemilla aspects shouldn't always be a priority for personal-use growers or "small batch" growers....in my opinion.
tstick
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Yes! That term gets misused all the time.
madininagyal
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Thank you sirI've been growing marijuana since 1975 and I have seen all kinds of landrace females throw 'nanners in late flower. If a cut that's prone to herm is popular, then the herm-factor must not be a big problem because, if it was, then it wouldn't be popular, right?.
If the choice is between plants that are delicious and stony and end up with a few seeds no matter what you do, and plants that are so-so, mediocre in taste and effect, but never throw a 'nanner and remain perfectly pure sinsemilla, then I'm going with the seeded choice every time.
And there are veteran growers who truly believe that allowing plants to do what nature intended them to do (males pollinating females and making seeds), produces better quality weed all-around. It's the yield that suffers....But, again, things like yield and pure-sinsemilla aspects shouldn't always be a priority for personal-use growers or "small batch" growers....in my opinion.
Michael Huntherz
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I was pretty new...it may have been grower error, but Honey Bananas from Elemental Seeds was a dumb fart joke. I heard their Fifth Element was fire, but HB was the least potent pot I have grown to date. It could have been my fault, but I had already produced some fairly amazing pot by then and it was just...weak.
Booyah!
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If she throws a nanner she's done in my garden. Intersexual traits will just get worse with each passing generation unless it's actively selected away from. I am amazed by the way marijuana tries to replicate itself too but only as an absolute last resort and certainly not the Apex of what that particular genepool is capable of expressing.
Regular bud bred right is absolutely amazing, tasty, healthy and potent I feel like if people weren't so afraid of males that weed would be developing a lot better. Using a brush females get loaded up exactly how you want without surprises. Win win with no heart aches.
I really appreciate seeds, but seeds from a nanner are not the type of seeds I appreciate. I would understand if I was trying to refine a landrace genetic but even then the intersexual traits have got to be bred out of the genepool before that genetic should be allowed to play with others.I've been growing marijuana since 1975 and I have seen all kinds of landrace females throw 'nanners in late flower. If a cut that's prone to herm is popular, then the herm-factor must not be a big problem because, if it was, then it wouldn't be popular, right?.
If the choice is between plants that are delicious and stony and end up with a few seeds no matter what you do, and plants that are so-so, mediocre in taste and effect, but never throw a 'nanner and remain perfectly pure sinsemilla, then I'm going with the seeded choice every time.
And there are veteran growers who truly believe that allowing plants to do what nature intended them to do (males pollinating females and making seeds), produces better quality weed all-around. It's the yield that suffers....But, again, things like yield and pure-sinsemilla aspects shouldn't always be a priority for personal-use growers or "small batch" growers....in my opinion.
Regular bud bred right is absolutely amazing, tasty, healthy and potent I feel like if people weren't so afraid of males that weed would be developing a lot better. Using a brush females get loaded up exactly how you want without surprises. Win win with no heart aches.
CoB_nUt
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Had an HSO purple trainwreck that came in this package. Rubbish!
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CoB_nUt
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I have! Got 1 out of 2 seedlings to sprout and stay alive. Both sprouted, one shriveled up and died 3 days after the cotys opened lol. Eviscerated the pellet, and the tap root was still white and growing. Didn't damp off, as I use a dropper to wet the pellets sides mainly.Just 1 drop on top of the pellet not near the stem. Almost took a pic before I plucked it, decided differently.
HydroRed
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RP's new "Kosher Kush" is nothing at all like what it used to be. They just sell the name now. Their new Kosher Kush tosses balls and nanners like clockwork in weeks 4-6 in perfect conditions and it cant be cloned out. Buyer Beware.
Tstat
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Or Gorilla Bubble BX2, lol!
Tstat
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I can name at least one!
antonioverde
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Except there is five years of documentation of mothers, fathers, dev grows and test grows readily available for anyone to read on gorilla bubble and hundreds of independent grows as well.
How many breeders have that? Many consumers buy beans all the time because of a name of a parent and very few breeders have any documentaion of their lines other than a ig pic.
Get off my nuts when you cant keep your rez under 80 degrees and your room under 90 then wonder why your plants didnt come out llke hundreds of others.
