The renewable energy changes and policy

DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Whoever put this shit out is obviously opposed to climate change policy, Kerry is neither a con man nor is he wrong and he never said a word about destroying agriculture and if it is destroyed it won't be by him but by technology. European farmers are protesting and it's mostly about climate change policy affecting them. What he says in the video is important though and explains why we are seeing these policy changes. The rethinkX food report and its forecasts are involved here and the rise of biotechnology, it is uncertain if it will replace livestock agriculture any time soon, but it is making inroads into the dairy and egg markets with products for processed foods, much depends on enabling technologies for cell culture and even yeast and fungus culture. If it does happen and is economical it should destroy some types of livestock farming, when it will happen is uncertain. It is important that they try, and they that they succeed, it will have a big impact on greenhouse gas emissions. it will also have a big impact on farmers and politics.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1753725207573918173
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
DIY-HP-LED said:
Whoever put this shit out is obviously opposed to climate change policy, Kerry is neither a con man nor is he wrong and he never said a word about destroying agriculture and if it is destroyed it won't be by him but by technology. European farmers are protesting and it's mostly about climate change policy affecting them. What he says in the video is important though and explains why we are seeing these policy changes. The rethinkX food report and its forecasts are involved here and the rise of biotechnology, it is uncertain if it will replace livestock agriculture any time soon, but it is making inroads into the dairy and egg markets with products for processed foods, much depends on enabling technologies for cell culture and even yeast and fungus culture. If it does happen and is economical it should destroy some types of livestock farming, when it will happen is uncertain. It is important that they try, and they that they succeed, it will have a big impact on greenhouse gas emissions. it will also have a big impact on farmers and politics.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1753725207573918173
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I was coming here to post an instance that Google fed me this am.

Pure stubbornness.

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They hoped solar panels would secure the future of their farm. Then their neighbors found out

The reasons for local opposition vary. The motives behind them can be murky. But they often boil down to one idea: Renewables are fine, but we don’t want them here.
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The larger trend

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Across America, clean energy plants are being banned faster than they're being built

The clock is ticking toward a deadline to meet renewable-energy standards. But USA TODAY's analysis finds local governments banning wind turbines, solar plants.
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We have the wrong folks on Scotus to resolve this well any time soon. (snort) libertarians.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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cannabineer said:
I was coming here to post an instance that Google fed me this am.

Pure stubbornness.

www.usatoday.com

They hoped solar panels would secure the future of their farm. Then their neighbors found out

The reasons for local opposition vary. The motives behind them can be murky. But they often boil down to one idea: Renewables are fine, but we don’t want them here.
www.usatoday.com

The larger trend

www.usatoday.com

Across America, clean energy plants are being banned faster than they're being built

The clock is ticking toward a deadline to meet renewable-energy standards. But USA TODAY's analysis finds local governments banning wind turbines, solar plants.
www.usatoday.com

We have the wrong folks on Scotus to resolve this well any time soon. (snort) libertarians.
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It's the usual suspects, fear and resistance to change is another of their hangups. They opposed the "Chinese" battery factory that CATL sold outright to Ford as a turnkey operation, complete American control FFS. These LFP batteries are not great in terms of energy density, but they are cheap and are "good enough" to do the job and the industry appears to be settling on the chemistry for most EV types and home storage simply because of cost.

Wind and solar is how much of Rural America will make its money in the future. The local rancher who wants to put a hundred wind turbines on his land for a fat rental fee for each one will love these clowns and probably bankrolls the local republican party, or did, he's a red democrat now!
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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cannabineer said:
I was coming here to post an instance that Google fed me this am.

Pure stubbornness.

www.usatoday.com

They hoped solar panels would secure the future of their farm. Then their neighbors found out

The reasons for local opposition vary. The motives behind them can be murky. But they often boil down to one idea: Renewables are fine, but we don’t want them here.
www.usatoday.com

The larger trend

www.usatoday.com

Across America, clean energy plants are being banned faster than they're being built

The clock is ticking toward a deadline to meet renewable-energy standards. But USA TODAY's analysis finds local governments banning wind turbines, solar plants.
www.usatoday.com

We have the wrong folks on Scotus to resolve this well any time soon. (snort) libertarians.
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Bear in mind green will increasingly be the color of money and the republicans are led by greed driven grifters and lunatics for the most part. Money comes from big donors who have it to spare, and they can pay bribes and offer jobs too. Small dollar donors give all they can and are easily manipulated and steered in whatever direction they want them to, Trump proved that. Give Trump a year with them and they would be burning down the churches of America while calling themselves Christians because he said so.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
DIY-HP-LED said:
Bear in mind green will increasingly be the color of money and the republicans are led by greed driven grifters and lunatics for the most part. Money comes from big donors who have it to spare, and they can pay bribes and offer jobs too. Small dollar donors give all they can and are easily manipulated and steered in whatever direction they want them to, Trump proved that. Give Trump a year with them and they would be burning down the churches of America while calling themselves Christians because he said so.
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I think you describe a generationally slow process. Trouble is, serious consequences are becoming a faster reality.

And I doubt I’ll live to see the day when there are commercial fusion power plants.

Distributed generation has some upsides, but for some things big fixed 24/7 power sources are hard to replace. Especially if the ethylene process you recently described becomes big. Such power would also go far to addressing water worries, but that’s a conversation for another beer.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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cannabineer said:
I think you describe a generationally slow process. Trouble is, serious consequences are becoming a faster reality.

And I doubt I’ll live to see the day when there are commercial fusion power plants.

Distributed generation has some upsides, but for some things big fixed 24/7 power sources are hard to replace. Especially if the ethylene process you recently described becomes big. Such power would also go far to addressing water worries, but that’s a conversation for another beer.
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It is appearing to come to pass, with climate change kickstarting it, but it has transitioned to economics and national security interests now, it is cheaper than the fossil fuel alternatives for electricity generation and storage makes it possible. It is economics that produce those S and cost curves and Seba is an economist who specialized in technological changes and the rate at which they happen, so far, his thesis, models and methodologies have been vindicated. I dunno about the food forecast though, but I'm watching.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Battery Energy Revolution. What now?

Battery energy storage is already shaking up the automotive industry. But developers are constantly looking for ways to increase energy density, decrease battery pack weight, and add range to their vehicles. It's not just car makers though. The aviation industry is watching progress on battery technology very closely indeed. Now sulphur (or sulfur in the US) has entered the fray to add a new dimension to that progress.
 
big bud man 413

big bud man 413

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DIY-HP-LED said:

Battery Energy Revolution. What now?

Battery energy storage is already shaking up the automotive industry. But developers are constantly looking for ways to increase energy density, decrease battery pack weight, and add range to their vehicles. It's not just car makers though. The aviation industry is watching progress on battery technology very closely indeed. Now sulphur (or sulfur in the US) has entered the fray to add a new dimension to that progress.
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Most people don't want battery operated cars.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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If LFP batteries get to $56/kWh the incentive policy must change to exclude them and conventional Li-ion batteries from the $35kWh subsidy. It must only be applied to new generation batteries with more potential energy density or those new American companies who are leading battery innovation will be out of business. The policy must change, these batteries that are being used or soon will be are just good enough and cheap enough, they are not the answer, and more development is required, especially to beat the Chinese at the game. To make EV better and enable other uses like short haul aviation and the electrification of trucks and heavy equipment. So, they will need to exclude Li-ion and LFP batteries unless they do something to get significantly better and focus subsidies on new better battery technologies with promise.
 
DIY-HP-LED

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big bud man 413 said:
Most people don't want battery operated cars.
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Define "most people" and where they live, the few who have to drive ICE vehicles in rural areas won't be as big an issue if city folks are driving EVs and they will get better with each passing year and are about to get much cheaper.
 
big bud man 413

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Define "most people" and where they live, the few who have to drive ICE vehicles in rural areas won't be as big an issue if city folks are driving EVs and they will get better with each passing year and are about to get much cheaper.
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That's what I was saying there needs to be a charging station in every town and the price of the cars need to come down.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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big bud man 413 said:
That's what I was saying there needs to be a charging station in every town and the price of the cars need to come down.
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I imagine exceptions will be made for farmers and working trucks, actual working trucks. It's not like we have a choice about this and I'm not talking about climate change but economic and technological change, the new emerging reality of the global energy market and national security, batteries and renewables are now nation security concerns. Every country wants energy security and independence and several recent studies have shown this is a way to attain it, it is grassroots and global now. Batteries are the key to making wind and solar work and it can supply the energy needs for most of the countries on the planet and EVs can provide the transportation. This shit has taken on an economic life of its own now and green is the color of money and power too.
 
big bud man 413

big bud man 413

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DIY-HP-LED said:
I imagine exceptions will be made for farmers and working trucks, actual working trucks. It's not like we have a choice about this and I'm not talking about climate change but economic and technological change, the new emerging reality of the global energy market and national security, batteries and renewables are now nation security concerns. Every country wants energy security and independence and several recent studies have shown this is a way to attain it, it is grassroots and global now. Batteries are the key to making wind and solar work and it can supply the energy needs for most of the countries on the planet and EVs can provide the transportation. This shit has taken on an economic life of its own now and green is the color of money and power too.
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I hear ya there just needs to be more charging stations and cheaper ev cars.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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big bud man 413 said:
That's what I was saying there needs to be a charging station in every town and the price of the cars need to come down.
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The price of power needs to come down. Where I’m at, charging 100kWh is a $40 proposition at home; $60 at an Elonergizer.

That’s equivalent to fueling a vehicle averaging 25mpg at $5/gal.
My pickup (RIP) got 30, and it’s a bad day when my Honda drops below 50.

So I’m not gonna consider an EV until
1) it has a 600+mi range on a charge in a snowy headwind, and
2) its operating costs drop below those of my Honda.
3) (bonus) it’ll handle sheets of drywall andor a home appliance.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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big bud man 413 said:
I hear ya there just needs to be more charging stations and cheaper ev cars.
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As far as the cheaper EV's CATL announced prices for their LFP batteries are gonna be $56/kwh by June in China. They are building complete turn key factories for Ford and others, training the staff too and Tesla is installing their equipment in a factory now. Their batteries charge fine a -30, or so they say, but are lower energy density, they are good enough to do the job. Break even for an equivalent ICE car is about $80/kWh, so EV's should be cheaper. The Chinese are coming in through Mexico with assembly and battery plants and their prices and quality too are making American and European automakers shit their pants, they have a large and very competitive domestic car market. There is an economic war on and tariffs for Chinese batteries and solar panels are over 200%! Joe is working like Hell to catch up with his industrial policy and I hope he succeeds.
 
big bud man 413

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cannabineer said:
The price of power needs to come down. Where I’m at, charging 100kWh is a $40 proposition at home; $60 at an Elonergizer.

That’s equivalent to fueling a vehicle averaging 25mpg at $5/gal.
My pickup (RIP) got 30, and it’s a bad day when my Honda drops below 50.

So I’m not gonna consider an EV until
1) it has a 600+mi range on a charge in a snowy headwind, and
2) its operating costs drop below those of my Honda.
3) (bonus) it’ll handle sheets of drywall andor a home appliance.
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No the price of battery operated cars.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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big bud man 413 said:
No the price of battery operated cars.
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It's not the situation now that counts, it's the situation 2 or 3 years from now as far as EVs are concerned, then you will see the impact of all those battery factories that are springing up like mushrooms all over America and Canada. The $56 price by June has set a new bar and will likely drop to $40 in 3 years. The battery makes up 35 to 40% of an EVs price.
 
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