The primary role of government?

ChesusRice said:

You could at least key her car. Or even better. Fill a mcdonalds cup with paint remover and toss it on her hood when you drive by

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Now there's an adult reaction.

Moses Mobetta said:

Government is not the solution to everything. These things you say are true, but I'm not sure what you mean by them.

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Homeschooling can be good and bad
it isnt a panacea. If it was so good. Why do homeschoolers fight standardized testing?

ChesusRice said:

Of course they do. because children are property and parents can abuse or brainwash them anyway they see fit
There is no problem when parents name their kid Adolph Hitler and enroll them in a white supremacist church
There is no problem when polygamists raise girls with the idea that their highest calling in life is to make babies
There is no Problem when muslims teach their kids to kill infidels
and there certainly is no problem when parents decline to teach kids real world lessons that will benefit them in the real world
That certainly isnt child abuse

At least the Amish let the kids go out on their own and decide if they want to join the church before indoctrinating them in it

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There is no problem with the poor who have to pay taxes to educate kids, when they have none, themselves.
There is no problem when said education is turning out people who can't find Canada on a map.
There is no problem with a government that will force you to go to school, even though it may not be the best thing.
There is no problem with a system that teaches the students that the Constitution is a "living" document.

At least the Spartans discarded their sickly and deformed babies. (hint:sarcasm)

ChesusRice said:

Homeschooling can be good and bad
it isnt a panacea. If it was so good. Why do homeschoolers fight standardized testing?

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I'm not a home schooler I don't know of any sure fire way to ensure kids get a real good education. I ended up sending my boy to privae schools. People should have the right to decide what happens with their own children, not uncle sam.

Mr Neutron said:

There is no problem with the poor who have to pay taxes to educate kids, when they have none, themselves.
There is no problem when said education is turning out people who can't find Canada on a map.
There is no problem with a government that will force you to go to school, even though it may not be the best thing.
There is no problem with a system that teaches the students that the Constitution is a "living" document.

At least the Spartans discarded their sickly and deformed babies. (hint:sarcasm)

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Im guessing here
You are a result of homeschooling
and you believe in a permanent underclass and eugenics

Moses Mobetta said:

I'm not a home schooler I don't know of any sure fire way to ensure kids get a real good education. I ended up sending my boy to privae schools. People should have the right to decide what happens with their own children, not uncle sam.

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Uncle sam prevents you from sending your kid to a private school?

ChesusRice said:

Uncle sam prevents you from sending your kid to a private school?

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No money was an issue though and I had to work a lot more to do it. But I really wanted him to have a good education and he wasn't getting that in public school. What I'm saying is it should be the parent/guardians choice.

ChesusRice said:

Uncle sam prevents you from sending your kid to a private school?

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And i can opt out of the taxes i currently pay for public schools on the federal, state, and local level to offset the price of private school right?

My son started out in private school, when i was making $70+k a year and could afford it. When he started public school at 2nd grade they were absolutely astounded at how advanced he was. Then promptly did everything in their power to get him to help other kids achieve higher rather than trying to get him to achieve his full potential. i was just informed (while registering him for 7th grade this week) that all levels of achievement will be grouped together hoping that the high achievers and low achievers become more like the standard achievers. No advanced curriculum for advanced students. WTF!?!?!


i'm instructing my son to NOT participate in "peer tutoring" during class time. Fuck those kids.

budlover13 said:

And i can opt out of the taxes i currently pay for public schools on the federal, state, and local level to offset the price of private school right?

My son started out in private school, when i was making $70+k a year and could afford it. When he started public school at 2nd grade they were absolutely astounded at how advanced he was. Then promptly did everything in their power to get him to help other kids achieve higher rather than trying to get him to achieve his full potential. i was just informed (while registering him for 7th grade this week) that all levels of achievement will be grouped together hoping that the high achievers and low achievers become more like the standard achievers. WTF!?!?!

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Public schools are all about manipulating numbers and much less about your childs education than they should be.

ChesusRice said:

Im guessing here
You are a result of homeschooling
and you believe in a permanent underclass and eugenics

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And as usual, you would be wrong on both assumptions.

Mr Neutron said:

There is no problem with the poor who have to pay taxes to educate kids, when they have none, themselves.
There is no problem when said education is turning out people who can't find Canada on a map.
There is no problem with a government that will force you to go to school, even though it may not be the best thing.
There is no problem with a system that teaches the students that the Constitution is a "living" document.

At least the Spartans discarded their sickly and deformed babies. (hint:sarcasm)

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everyone pays taxes
even in private schools you have kids that cannot point out canada
Forcing people to go to school? Whats an alternative?
And yes Neutron the constitution is a living document otherwise we would still have slaves and only white land holding males would be able to vote

ChesusRice said:

And yes Neutron the constitution is a living document otherwise we would still have slaves and only white land holding males would be able to vote

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Those unfortunate mistakes were changed by the amendment process, laid out in the Constitution, not by changing it's diet or exercising more often.

[h=1]“On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit of the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.” Jefferson[/h]

ChesusRice said:

everyone pays taxes

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Income taxes?

Mr Neutron said:

Income taxes?

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Property taxes pay for schools
sales taxes pay for local goverment

how do the poor not pay either?

ChesusRice said:

Simply pointing out the majority of homeschoolers do so for the reasons of they do not agree with society at large and instead indoctrinate their children in a belief system that is not positive

Does that make you uncomfortable?

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What makes me uncomfortable are people and institutions that like to tell other people how they must live their lives even when they leave other people alone.

ChesusRice said:

yeah the real world. Like all those kids with the branch Davidians in Waco
They were homeschooled as well

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....and burned alive by the government that you worship.

Rob Roy said:

What makes me uncomfortable are people and institutions that like to tell other people how they must live their lives even when they leave other people alone.

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Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine and House Speaker Bill Batchelder told homeschooling advocates they see little need to change state laws regulating homeschooling in response to the death of a 14-year old Dayton girl who was homeschooled and starved to death in her home, the Home School Legal Defense Association says. (H/t to Innovation Ohio’s Stephen Dyer for pointing out the report.)


Homeschooling advocates say cases of children homeschooled to conceal neglect or abuse are rare. But, as CBS News reports, “it’s hard to know how widespread abuse might be because the government doesn’t keep track.”

ChesusRice said:

Property taxes pay for schools
sales taxes pay for local goverment

how do the poor not pay either?

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I have this asshole republican uncle. He gets drunk on holidays and attacks me for being a liberal and not having a job. Though I work every day, he's right... I don't have a "job"... I don't work for anybody.... I work for myself. I pay taxes on all the money i spend in my state. I also pay property taxes. I just wrote out an 800 dollar check for a portion of my second half property taxes. The poor, or those without income, don't pay taxes... bull shit.

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I have this asshole republican uncle. He gets drunk on holidays and attacks me for being a liberal and not having a job. Though I work every day, he's right... I don't have a "job"... I don't work for anybody.... I work for myself. I pay taxes on all the money i spend in my state. I also pay property taxes. I just wrote out an 800 dollar check for a portion of my second half property taxes. The poor, or those without income, don't pay taxes... bull shit.

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Dont feel bad a large portion of my family doesnt "pay taxes" either
but then again my grandma is 90 and my kid is 12 So i dont mind

ChesusRice said:

Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine and House Speaker Bill Batchelder told homeschooling advocates they see little need to change state laws regulating homeschooling in response to the death of a 14-year old Dayton girl who was homeschooled and starved to death in her home, the Home School Legal Defense Association says. (H/t to Innovation Ohio’s Stephen Dyer for pointing out the report.)


Homeschooling advocates say cases of children homeschooled to conceal neglect or abuse are rare. But, as CBS News reports, “it’s hard to know how widespread abuse might be because the government doesn’t keep track.”

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The people that did that should be held accountable. The fact that they may or may not have home schooled is a logical fallacy as a causal effect and similar to the irrarationality of the "gateway theory" used by prohibitionists. Are you willing to say if a public schooled kid is starved by his parents that public schools CAUSED this ? I don't mean to insult you, but your argument is rather clueless and means very little from a logical stand point.

How you doing on that 10th plank of the Communist manifesto anyhow there Comrade ?