The primary role of government?

budlover13

budlover13

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ChesusRice said:
In all honesty. I delivered furniture with my dad to a family that homeschooled. I didnt see any schooling The smallest one was watching teletubbies the other 2 kids were playing some kind of board game. Seemed like a decent famliy. But i felt bad for the kids. Their whole life revolved around staying home and going to church. I brought it up to my dad. He said it was none of our business.
There are successes in home schooling, but there are many many more failures.
The key to a succesful public education is parental involvement. And that is something homeschoolers may or may not have an advantage in. If their parents are capable the kids will learn, if not well then you get out what you put it. And I do know for a fact, Evangelicals that are teaching homeschooling leave out some education for the girls. As they are of lesser value.
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And in MANY cases, when the parents try to get involved, they are misled/lied to, talked down to, ignored, etc. It's a fight i have been fighting for several years now. This year, i'm on the school site council and involved in all school board meetings. They don't like me at all. Too fucking bad. What bugs me more than anything, is that there are few people (raised in public education mind you) intelligent enough, with the will-power or gumption or even the SPINE to stand up to a system that treats you like shit.
 
Mr Neutron

Mr Neutron

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ChesusRice said:
In all honesty. I delivered furniture with my dad to a family that homeschooled. I didnt see any schooling The smallest one was watching teletubbies the other 2 kids were playing some kind of board game. Seemed like a decent famliy. But i felt bad for the kids. Their whole life revolved around staying home and going to church. I brought it up to my dad. He said it was none of our business.
There are successes in home schooling, but there are many many more failures.
The key to a succesful public education is parental involvement. And that is something homeschoolers may or may not have an advantage in. If their parents are capable the kids will learn, if not well then you get out what you put it. And I do know for a fact, Evangelicals that are teaching homeschooling leave out some education for the girls. As they are of lesser value.
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So, you base your theory​ on one encounter. All the rest is opinion.
 
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ChesusRice

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budlover13 said:
And in MANY cases, when the parents try to get involved, they are misled/lied to, talked down to, ignored, etc. It's a fight i have been fighting for several years now. This year, i'm on the school site council and involved in all school board meetings. They don't like me at all. Too fucking bad. What bugs me more than anything, is that there are few people (raised in public education mind you) intelligent enough, with the will-power or gumption or even the SPINE to stand up to a system that treats you like shit.
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My kid goes to a private school. Our school system got decimated so much there are 35 kids to a class and every year my daughter attended she was in a split grade class room. She did allright but I wanted her to have more one on one with the teacher. There was nothing wrong with the curricula or the staff. but there is only so much you can do when you have 35 kids in 2 different grades in your classroom
 
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ChesusRice

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Mr Neutron said:
So, you base your theory​ on one encounter. All the rest is opinion.
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No my theories are based on research and data. My opinion is based on the former and actually meeting homeschoolers both at home and an encounter I witnessed at the local museum where the chaperone told the kids the exhibits information panel about the dinosaurs were wrong becuase the earth is only 6000 years old
 
Moses Mobetta

Moses Mobetta

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budlover13 said:
And in MANY cases, when the parents try to get involved, they are misled/lied to, talked down to, ignored, etc. It's a fight i have been fighting for several years now. This year, i'm on the school site council and involved in all school board meetings. They don't like me at all. Too fucking bad. What bugs me more than anything, is that there are few people (raised in public education mind you) intelligent enough, with the will-power or gumption or even the SPINE to stand up to a system that treats you like shit.
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My boy was slapped in the face repeatedly one day at school by the principal. The police said there was not enough evidence to prosecute her. So I got involved more with the school and they hated me too, they also hated the members of the school commitee who wanted the teachers to actually behave like they had a real job. I saw way too many lazy teachers and only a few I thought were really good. The more involved I got the more dissapointed I became.
 
budlover13

budlover13

King Tut
ChesusRice said:
My kid goes to a private school. Our school system got decimated so much there are 35 kids to a class and every year my daughter attended she was in a split grade class room. She did allright but I wanted her to have more one on one with the teacher. There was nothing wrong with the curricula or the staff. but there is only so much you can do when you have 35 kids in 2 different grades in your classroom
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Yet another, even LESS debatable reason in SUPPORT of home-schooling. Thanks.
 
Mr Neutron

Mr Neutron

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ChesusRice said:
No my theories are based on research and data. My opinion is based on the former and actually meeting homeschoolers both at home and an encounter I witnessed at the local museum where the chaperone told the kids the exhibits information panel about the dinosaurs were wrong becuase the earth is only 6000 years old
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Theories are only opinions.
 
Canna Sylvan

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Moses Mobetta said:
My boy was slapped in the face repeatedly one day at school by the principal. The police said there was not enough evidence to prosecute her. So I got involved more with the school and they hated me too, they also hated the members of the school commitee who wanted the teachers to actually behave like they had a real job. I saw way too many lazy teachers and only a few I thought were really good. The more involved I got the more dissapointed I became.
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What a coincidence. If a principal did that to one of my boys, there wouldn't be enough left of her, after I had my version of repeatedly slapping her, to prosecute whoever did that to her.
 
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ChesusRice

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budlover13 said:
Then do so by your standards. With YOUR kids. Don't tell others how to do it with theirs. They are preparing them for the "real world". The one that is real to them anyways.
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yeah the real world. Like all those kids with the branch Davidians in Waco
They were homeschooled as well
 
Moses Mobetta

Moses Mobetta

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Canna Sylvan said:
What a coincidence. If a principal did that to one of my boys, there wouldn't be enough left of her, after I had my version of repeatedly slapping her, to prosecute whoever did that to her.
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There was no opportunity for me to engage her. I showed up at the school and the police had my son, she was saying he came to school with his face red, they wanted to talk with me like I did it. Then another parent came and said her daughter saw the principal hit my boy, and a teacher said she thought the principal had slapped my son. She was an old lady who had done this at another school before. She was dismissed by the school. I'm not going to go around beating up an elderly woman because she slapped my son but I sure felt like it then.
 
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ChesusRice

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Moses Mobetta said:
There was no opportunity for me to engage her. I showed up at the school and the police had my son, she was saying he came to school with his face red, they wanted to talk with me like I did it. Then another parent came and said her daughter saw the principal hit my boy, and a teacher said she thought the principal had slapped my son. She was an old lady who had done this at another school before. She was dismissed by the school. I'm not going to go around beating up an elderly woman because she slapped my son but I sure felt like it then.
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You could at least key her car. Or even better. Fill a mcdonalds cup with paint remover and toss it on her hood when you drive by
 
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ChesusRice

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budlover13 said:
And the parents have the right to do so. Period.
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Of course they do. because children are property and parents can abuse or brainwash them anyway they see fit
There is no problem when parents name their kid Adolph Hitler and enroll them in a white supremacist church
There is no problem when polygamists raise girls with the idea that their highest calling in life is to make babies
There is no Problem when muslims teach their kids to kill infidels
and there certainly is no problem when parents decline to teach kids real world lessons that will benefit them in the real world
That certainly isnt child abuse

At least the Amish let the kids go out on their own and decide if they want to join the church before indoctrinating them in it
 
budlover13

budlover13

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ChesusRice said:
Of course they do. because children are property and parents can abuse or brainwash them anyway they see fit
There is no problem when parents name their kid Adolph Hitler and enroll them in a white supremacist church
There is no problem when polygamists raise girls with the idea that their highest calling in life is to make babies
There is no Problem when muslims teach their kids to kill infidels
and there certainly is no problem when parents decline to teach kids real world lessons that will benefit them in the real world
That certainly isnt child abuse

At least the Amish let the kids go out on their own and decide if they want to join the church before indoctrinating them in it
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But all of your citations of rare/minority cases don't change the fact that they have the right to do so. They are held responsible for their children's actions and therefore have the right to raise them as they see fit.
 
Moses Mobetta

Moses Mobetta

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ChesusRice said:
Of course they do. because children are property and parents can abuse or brainwash them anyway they see fit
There is no problem when parents name their kid Adolph Hitler and enroll them in a white supremacist church
There is no problem when polygamists raise girls with the idea that their highest calling in life is to make babies
There is no Problem when muslims teach their kids to kill infidels
and there certainly is no problem when parents decline to teach kids real world lessons that will benefit them in the real world
That certainly isnt child abuse

At least the Amish let the kids go out on their own and decide if they want to join the church before indoctrinating them in it
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Government is not the solution to everything. These things you say are true, but I'm not sure what you mean by them.
 
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