The Official House and Garden Thread

cocoxxx

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just bought h&g coco a and b, its says on there chart 4ml per ltre, now is that 4ml of a and 4ml of b. or 2ml of a and 2ml of b. there is no info on the bottle about dosages, just how to mix them together. i find this all very vague and conflicting, plus rep to anyone that can help
 

Jozikins

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4ml per L for A, 4ml per L for B. However, this is all wayyy to strong, and your plants will fry, I usually do 4ml per 3.75L of each. You can stretch this H&G soooooo fucking far it's ridiculous. At least with the old formula, I heard the new formula is watered down, but I have 0 sources or info to back that up.
 

K11ng

Member
I have tried searching this thread for a ppm chart but its frustrating going thru all the pages. Does any one have a ppm chart for aqua flakes there new product line? I am doing the feed chart doseage and my ppms seem to be low, for axample week 2 of flower im reading under 600 ppm, doesnt look correct to me. Anyone with better knowledge and info please help!
 

raindog

Member
Go 1 1/2 strength on A&B or throw some humic acid and carbohydrates in there and beef it up.
They have an EC chart they give to dealers and for all of us (I don't have as a e-file). Go to the HG site and call the HG number. Ask for Rob. I got immediate good info and samples as well.
Rob's follow up email was timely as well.

Main web site: http://www.house-garden.us/

Where i got Rob: 707 - 776 - 6623

Hope this helps.
 

Jozikins

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They have an EC chart they give to dealers and for all of us (I don't have as a e-file). Go to the HG site and call the HG number. Ask for Rob. I got immediate good info and samples as well.
Rob's follow up email was timely as well.

Main web site: http://www.house-garden.us/

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Hope this helps.
Good advice,
I've gotten a lot of free and amazing samples from Rob too, cool guy. I meet him down at DH once, he was running the H&G booth. 707 area code is where all the dank shit is at, yo, unless you are near my house :bigjoint:
 

cocoxxx

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cheers guys, but why is there so much conflicting info, i dont like the fact that if it wasnt for people on here and other forums, i would HAVE to phone them, im going with canna because of this, cheers guys
 

Jozikins

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House & Garden is well established, but it doesn't have a bunch of respected 60 year old growers following it with factual statements because it hasn't been around that long. Canna, GH, and Earth Juice have had a long history and have been around helping pot growers since we got serious. I guarantee you, with excellent and well established products, like these (including H&G!!) you will get fantastic results guaranteed to please. If you are looking for the best results; H&G or Canna will get you there just the same, just at different price tags. To be honest, I've actually gotten some of my best results with TechnaFlora believe it or not! Dirt fucking cheap and I've gotten the same yields from them as H&G, but just not the same flavor. I'm sure with enough tea, carbs, and humic acid you could get the same results (assuming you are in a country where you can purchase this awesome Cell Splitter product from H&G).

In the end, as long as you don't fuck it up, you are hard pressed to find a "bad" product on the market. it is rarely the fault of the product, simply user error.

Edit: Also, never follow a nutrient line up on it's calender, follow it by your TDS/EC/PPM meter. That calendar is a general rule of thumb for a wide variety of plants, and most plants don't require the same EC as cannabis. Selling fertilizers for cannabis production is illegal in the united states, despite state laws, it is federally regulated. So they are marketed and everything about the product, from advertising to sales pitches to recommended fertilizer dosage is going to be towards the growth of your average garden vegetable or rose, not cannabis. This is the reason you come to a cannabis cultivation forum and get clarification on how to use these fertilizers with cannabis. Even in certain parts of Europe, you are hard pressed to find recommendations from a fertilizer company for cannabis cultivation. It just doesn't make sense business wise to put yourself in jeopardy like that.
 

cocoxxx

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i ve also heard that the tatse is kinda laking in h and g when compared to canna, im sure someone will chime in if im mistaken
 

Jozikins

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i ve also heard that the tatse is kinda laking in h and g when compared to canna, im sure someone will chime in if im mistaken
If that's true it's because they are a US grower without access to the Cell Splitter formula. I am a US grower but I happen to have super sweet hook ups, so I don't have to wait for US approval by federal who-you-call-it's :D But all it is really missing is a good carbon/carbohydrate/humic acid/silica additive, which is what the Cell Splitter is, you can use Liquid Karma from Botanicare to substitute, which I still use every now and then between feedings instead of ph'd water, because Liquid Karma is great shit. You can also add additional carb additives, which is as simple as molasses, brown sugar, or (God forbid) white processed sugar, and this will help as well. You get a good amount of carbon initially from the Algen Extract and the Roots Excelurator (that's how they spell it, not me, man) and then from there on out it's kind of up to you, if you are hip to the importance of lots of dark black carbon in the mix! And of course, like many fertilizer line-ups are lacking, a ca/mg supplement, but they already have a mag supplement which is all that you really need with H&G, but again that is not available in the US. Unfortunately I do not have access do that, so you have to buy a ca/mg from another company... which actually all depends on if you are using tap v dechlorinated v R/O. And I'm sure you already know the differences so I don't need to explain anymore than that.
 

Jozikins

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If you dig deep enough a European website will send it to the US. I think it is also available in Australia.
 

Dubbz0r

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It was a tough decision when I was choosing my nutes. It was between H & G and the Humboldt line, and well the H & G was just too expensive so I had to pass. The main hydro store I shop at carries H & G. From what I've heard, stores needs to spend $10,000 on their order of H & G supplies just to carry their line of products.
 

Jozikins

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It was a tough decision when I was choosing my nutes. It was between H & G and the Humboldt line, and well the H & G was just too expensive so I had to pass. The main hydro store I shop at carries H & G. From what I've heard, stores needs to spend $10,000 on their order of H&G supplies just to carry their line of products.
Thats not H&G's policy, it is their US distributor, Humboldt Wholesale. Greedy bastard's will let any shop buy and sell their most expensive product (roots excelurator), but for the real line up you need a minimum purchase of 10k, it's grotesque, HW should be ashamed, but they are too busy laughing all the way to the bank. My local store has only 9K worth of merchandise in it, he would go bottom-up if he took on H&G.
 

docsativa

Active Member
I love house & garden. COuld never go wrong with it. I love how easy it is, plus they are coco specific which makes it simple. Ive used earthjuice before, and loved the organic smell and taste of my soil. but house &garden blows them outa the water when it comes to yield and over-all health of the plant.
 

fredt

Member
I'm happy with the way my plants have grown. My 1st grow using only H&G. plants [3] are in 6in. RW cubes. i've been following the nute chart and mix enough for the week. every other day I pour the mix into the top of the cube till it runs thru and discard . I' did notice around 6wks flower signs of nute overdose so i measured the ppm of the run thru waste and was amazed that it measured a ppm of 2000 plus. I flushed then added nutes at about 60% of recommended strenght and the plants perked up. But the run off is still much higher than what i'm pouring in, wierd? Comments negative or otherwise on my grow method are welcome!! Should I flush once a week?
 

Jozikins

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You can flush once a week if you'd like, but you are better off keeping your fertilizers at 50%-60% strength. Go by your PPM meter, not by the feed chart when it comes to the base nutrients. All my H&G additives are at full strength, and I have big beautiful plants giving big beautiful buds.

Whenever I am too tired to feed I just mix up some water and Liquid Karma (Botanicare) and pH it. Usually 1-2 times a week I do this. Sometimes when my plants are really sucking down the nutrients (flower week 1-5) I feed them every time, unless it's going to require a lot of me.
 

fredt

Member
You can flush once a week if you'd like, but you are better off keeping your fertilizers at 50%-60% strength. Go by your PPM meter, not by the feed chart when it comes to the base nutrients. All my H&G additives are at full strength, and I have big beautiful plants giving big beautiful buds.

Whenever I am too tired to feed I just mix up some water and Liquid Karma (Botanicare) and pH it. Usually 1-2 times a week I do this. Sometimes when my plants are really sucking down the nutrients (flower week 1-5) I feed them every time, unless it's going to require a lot of me.
you recommend 50-60% strength but say you use full strength with great results? I'm thinking full strength till week 5 flower, reduce by 33% till trichomes start to cloud, then flush and no more nutes. What do you think? Also what do you think of the way I'm feeding? the run-off being higher than what is poured in is odd.
 

Jozikins

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No my friend, please let me clarify. I recommend A&B at 50-75% (I say 75% because I feed them 75% last night) and then products such as : Roots Excelurator, Algen Extract, Cell Splitter, Multizen, Bud XL, Top Booster, Shooting Powder, and Drip Clean I recommend being ran at 100% full strength. Drip Clean should always be used, especially if you are going to be running high PPM's. I don't care how much flushing somebody does, if you run PPM's to high your buds is going to taste like it. Drip Clean helps fix this, it binds itself to certain salts and ensures that excess salts are expelled in the waste water. I don't use this product often, I usually run low PPM's and can't tell when I've used it or not. But I would recommend it just in case your trimeter breaks like mine did last round.

After adding A&B my PPM's should be between 400 - 850 for the majority of large plants with just the A&B. Those PPM's all depend on plant health, size, and how many additive I'm going to add. After adding all my additives I like my PPM's to be between 800-1300.

The only additives I use besides my H&G complete line up is Sweet Raw and Liquid Karma by Botanicare, as well as a CalMax by Growtek and ProTekt by DynaGro. If you do not have access to the Cell Splitter product you will need all these (a ca/mg supplement will always be needed unless you are using hard tap water) the Liquid Karma, Sweet Raw, and Protekt provide me with the few missing components in this line-up: Humic Acid, Amino Acids, Carbohydrates, Silica, and a little bit of extra Sulfur.

Another thing I have been noticing, I do not see so much of a calcium deficiency as I do see a magnesium deficiency, that seems to be what H&G is really missing. They sell a Magnesium supplement, but just like the wonderful Cell Splitter product, it is still not yet available for use in the US. But this is why we order online, or sweet talk our H&G reps until they give up their personal stash of it.
 

fredt

Member
Thanks for the info Jozikins. I went to the UK H&G site and there was no mention of a product called "Cell Splitter"?
 
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