KittiVixen
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I follow directions well. It says to flush for 2-3 days so that is what I will do. Any recipes to use on the final flush?
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I follow directions well. It says to flush for 2-3 days so that is what I will do. Any recipes to use on the final flush?
born2killspam
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Flushing can help clean up buds that have been grown with bad npk proportions etc. But IMO there is zero need to flush if the crop goes smoothly, and salts were managed well.. Its funny you used the word recipe, because I'm always saying that in this hobby they don't exist beyond when dealing with identical clones.. Happy mediums make ok guidelines, but anybody who claims to have the perfect recipe for anything is delusional..
superdave5
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house and garden rocks!! Used it in deep water culture (hydro line) and had amazingly fast growth. Stalks were huge along with the colas. A bit expensive Im not gunna BS there, but well worth the money spent. Make sure you pick up there feed guide when buying this product. It takes work. It's not the type of line you can just throw together and feed. Every product from H&G has a purpose and specific time period it needs to be introduced to the plant cycle, but when done properly you will get amazing results. I have never seen root mass like I did when I used deep water culture with H&G. I know use bio bizz and soil, which also works great but veg is much slower. Definetly would like to give the H&G soil a shot though. Cant remember if its strictly organic but I dont believe it is. Thats why I went to bio bizz. Love the pure stuff.
KittiVixen
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We have had some plants for about 3 weeks now. We just got 3 more and started the house and gardens 3 week veg cycle. We just topped our plants a few days and had just finished making a cloning machine so we decided to put the tops we cut off in there. They have survived and are starting to grow roots. I have a few extra pots for more plants but no plants to put in them. If I were to put them in the ebb and grow with the other 5 in a few days would they be ok or would the nutrients kill them? Also the room we are using got really really hot a few days ago. (90 degrees) It wasn't like that for more than a few hours and the plants look ok so are there going to be any problems later on do you think? And also we bought a swamp cooler to keep it cool in there but it raised the humidity to 60%. I read during veg this is not a problem but during flowering it will be. What do you think about that? What is a good way to get the humidity out? Is there a better way to cool a basement with no a/c? I have read a lot of these posts and see you all over. I used uncle bens topping method. You were posting on there a lot. You knowledge is pretty awesome. I really feel privelaged that you are helping me. Thanks a lot.
KittiVixen
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Any thoughts? Anyone?
sagensour
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I just sprayed my girls with Magic Green tonight. They all were pretty good lookin but it says it will give them a pep. I will let everyone know my results in a few days from now. I used ph water @6.3 and 1.5 liters filtered water, coco wet wetting agent and 5 ml. of Magic Green. WELLLLLL C
inval
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The HG line is fantastic, but you have to tailor it to your plant. Sometimes the recommended fertilizer concentrations can get too high in the flowering cycle for specific plants. And the shooting powder is down right dangerous. It's really easy to burn plants with it. I guess you could significantly lower the basic concentration to keep your numbers down to 1500, but shooting powder can send ppm readings through the roof. All of the products are extremely high quality...I love BudXL, top booster(also be careful with this one), drip clean, and the root accelerator.
tman42
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Great deal on roots excelurator from this site http://www.hydroempire.com/store/product_info.php/cPath/15/products_id/1427 this is the 500 mL size not the 250 mL which is a really good deal and if you spend more than 200 they ship for free. I ordered it along with other stuff and it all shipped out right away and was delivered within 6 days.
jberry
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i was using canna's coco line but i just switched to H&G coco line and i really like it but...
there are somethings i dont like: the shooting powder makes it so u cant reuse the coco, otherwise coco is totally safe to reuse, so that kinda sucks but H&G is so awesome maybe i will go back in forth from canna for first run and H&G for the second run with the coco, then i could throw it out and start the process over. -this would also settle once and for all which line i get better results from.
also dont like how H&G is designed for RO water, i have a killer RO machine but hate wasting so much water! i have a drain to waste system so its a huge waste of water when i use all RO. the canna line is designed for tap water with a ppm of 200. I can get this by using mainly tap water mixed with a lil RO, hence wasting little water.
also, i have airstones in my rez, but it doesnt seem to cause any trouble?
other than that H&G seems to be the shit !
if it turns out to give better results then i will switch to H&G for all my crops.
there are somethings i dont like: the shooting powder makes it so u cant reuse the coco, otherwise coco is totally safe to reuse, so that kinda sucks but H&G is so awesome maybe i will go back in forth from canna for first run and H&G for the second run with the coco, then i could throw it out and start the process over. -this would also settle once and for all which line i get better results from.
also dont like how H&G is designed for RO water, i have a killer RO machine but hate wasting so much water! i have a drain to waste system so its a huge waste of water when i use all RO. the canna line is designed for tap water with a ppm of 200. I can get this by using mainly tap water mixed with a lil RO, hence wasting little water.
also, i have airstones in my rez, but it doesnt seem to cause any trouble?
other than that H&G seems to be the shit !
if it turns out to give better results then i will switch to H&G for all my crops.
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guitarabuser
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When I started growing in hydro my grow shop talked me into using HG from the start. I have nothing to compare it to, but I'm on my secod hydro grow and have never burned a plant, and had a decent yield on my first grow. Following the HG charts, I end up with VERY high EC levels (2.2 at times), but like I said no burn and no signs of lockout. I grew Diesel Ryders and got an oz per plant. I have grown the same outside and yields were a joke. I'm using Aquaflakes, Multizyme, BudXL, TopBooster, and I just started the shooting powder. This is a slightly larger grow than the last and I'm running autos and photoperiod plants at the same time. The Roots Excelurator is definiately their best product. I took cuttings, rooted them right on the table and they exploded. Good stuff.
jberry
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i would like to know how that turns out... ive used both. they both have their ups and downs but i think they are the two best companies.
but i had too many variables to confirm which one gave better results.
jberry
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anyone use mad farmers m.o.a.b. powder??
everyone in my area using house and garden has switched out their "shooting powder" for "moab" and this area is usually ahead of the curve.
i think it became such a big thing that H&G may have bought out moab?
i say this because at the hydro expo in s.f., H&G was giving out free shooting powder but when they ran out of shooting powder they started giving out moab!
why would H&G hand out their competitors product??
everyone in my area using house and garden has switched out their "shooting powder" for "moab" and this area is usually ahead of the curve.
i think it became such a big thing that H&G may have bought out moab?
i say this because at the hydro expo in s.f., H&G was giving out free shooting powder but when they ran out of shooting powder they started giving out moab!
why would H&G hand out their competitors product??
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guitarabuser
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Because Mad Farmer and H&G are both distributed by Humboldt Wholesale. Chances are that wasn't H&G at the show, but some HW reps.
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guitarabuser
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I'm interested in the same thing though. The underlying message I keep hearing from my supplier is that H&G does not play well with other products. Is anyone using ANYTHING other than what the feed charts call for with their H&G grows?
purrrrple
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I think Canna is the way to go. HG is a nice line but Canna is way simpler and easier to use. Aside from the HG root excelurator i think all Canna products are superior to HG. It is alot of variables but i think for the most part is all the same shit just concentrated and formulated a little differently. The guys at my one shop call Canna the watered down HG, and the guys who sell Canna (the only ones in the state) laugh all the way to the bank when i talk about HG and sell pallets of Canna daily. They could easily sell HG, as it is widely available, they choose not to. Canna boost is EXPENSIVE!@!@! $480 FOR 5/L.
purrrrple
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The guy who said it above is right Mad and HG are both distributed through humbolt wholesale... They were probably the ones at the show... As for combining other products i have used ancient humate (humic acid in organic form) and silica and things like this. I used some sht that is the equivalent of magic green (a greener upper of some sort) also. Really i think the reason people would have trouble adding anything to HG is that it is so concentrated and runs so hot already, adding anything to the already aggressive feed chart would send your PPMS through the roof, and burn your plants to all hell. My advice is be careful if you wanna add anything else to this line, and i wouldnt go feeding my whole room some experimental formula. Like anything else practice makes perfect. One more bit of advice, dont fix it if it aint broke! and that shooting powder will burn the shit out of your plants if you overdo it so be careful! Also, if you are going to add anything with npk or that will boost your ppm, make sure you lower your base nutrients so as to not burn the plants (obviously).
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guitarabuser
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Good point. I have two small systems (Megagardens) that only hold 7 gallons. I followed the directions on the shooting powder and dropped my EC to 1.2 before adding. I calculated about 20 grams of powder to the 7 gallons would maintain the correct dosage and my EC shot up to 2.2. That's quite a jump.
I do think that H&G's feeding schedules are rediculously high. I'm cutting back on this second grow with them and results are improved.
I do think that H&G's feeding schedules are rediculously high. I'm cutting back on this second grow with them and results are improved.
jberry
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ahhh, i think ur right about it being H.W., although they did a good job of tricking everyone with their H&G uniforms and displays.
about the moab used with G&H, like i said everyone i know using H&G has switched it out and are very happy with the results, i asked the workers at the hydro shop about it and they said everyones doin it. Its like 1/3 of the price of shooting powder... the reason being is shooting powder is pharmacuticle grade and moab is food grade. both are good, pharmacuticle grade is as good as it good as it gets and is more absorbable than food grade, this why the npk is lower on pharmacuticle grade. at least thats the little info ive gathered so far.
i used h&g with R/O water as suggested and my ppm's never got too high, even when using the 2 packs of shooting powder per 25 gallons instead of 1 !
H&G and Canna are both awesome, ive never burnt my plants with either one even when i pushed the EC to the limit and gave foliars every 3 days!!
i think using R/O and making sure ur PH is right is crucial when pushing the limits as far as EC goes. Also gotta make sure you arent developing any build ups or lock outs.
about the moab used with G&H, like i said everyone i know using H&G has switched it out and are very happy with the results, i asked the workers at the hydro shop about it and they said everyones doin it. Its like 1/3 of the price of shooting powder... the reason being is shooting powder is pharmacuticle grade and moab is food grade. both are good, pharmacuticle grade is as good as it good as it gets and is more absorbable than food grade, this why the npk is lower on pharmacuticle grade. at least thats the little info ive gathered so far.
i used h&g with R/O water as suggested and my ppm's never got too high, even when using the 2 packs of shooting powder per 25 gallons instead of 1 !
H&G and Canna are both awesome, ive never burnt my plants with either one even when i pushed the EC to the limit and gave foliars every 3 days!!
i think using R/O and making sure ur PH is right is crucial when pushing the limits as far as EC goes. Also gotta make sure you arent developing any build ups or lock outs.
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guitarabuser
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Yeah, build-up is something I'm going to have to correct on the next grow. I will be adding the Drip Clean. I cannot believe how much more visible salts there are all over everything after using the Shooting Powder.