The Nature Farm Genetics, is he legit?

BurtMaklin

BurtMaklin

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Oops, didn't mean to come off like a twat. I'm kinda sarcastic and have a dry sense of humour that sometimes doesn't translate well to print. I'm as guilty as anyone for buying into hype, not so much now, but back in the day I'd send my rent off for the next big thing in High Times and end up with something worse than I already had. It's gotten to the point where you go to some sites to look for seeds and the description isn't even there, just what was mixed with what... like that's all the info I need. Nothing about which phenos I should look for or expect, no info at all. Lucky to get a pic of some random weed to represent what I should get, no breeder tips on growing her, whether it's mold resistent or feeding info (which doesn't really count now that I do no till), nothing. What do I get for my 150-300 bucks? Some seeds that may or not be what they are advertised to be and a breeder that doesn't take the time to copy and paste the descriptions/tips and give them to the seed broker other than "badazz clone only mixed with the same male all their crosses are made with". That shit grinds my gears! I get better instructions and info on a new microwave I already know how to use, and if I have any questions I don't have to chase Samsung down on instagram to find the info.

It seems to me that we have given breeders a free pass to the fame and fortune show, letting the idea of testing their gear fall away so we can gargle their nuts on social media. Watching breeders bad mouth each other, only to have the same shit hurled at them a couple months later by some other breeder. How many watered down diesel crosses, kush crosses, haze crosses, etc...do we have to shell out big money for and find average weed before we hold people accountable? If I don't get anything I like with TNF, I'll throw them in the bin full of breeders I won't order from again. I skeptically ordered these like I skeptically order everything else. But I will say, Dynasty, Ace, E$KOBAR, USC, NAW, and a few others do give pretty good descriptions/info and the work they put in shows in their products.

I will say though, the RKS seems to be an elusive pheno at best, so anyone thinking they can order 20-30 seeds expecting to find a 1:200 pheno is walking around with their head up their ass. You could have bad luck and grow out 500-1000 plants and still not get it. The next guy might get it with one freebie. Statistics are a bitch, and genetics are 100% luck if you don't run the numbers. Also, remembering what shit smelled like 30 plus years ago when you were younger with a better sense of smell might not be even possible. If you hopped in the waaaaaay back machine and smelled that exact weed, it might not smell like you remembered. Different growing styles, different nutes, length of cure, what it was cured in, all changes the smells of the weed I've grown in multiple growing mediums, nutes, organic vs chem, etc... Too many variables for me to trust my own memory. Chasing nostalgia is a fools errand, IMHO, but I still do it. Lol.
 
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maurostu04

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Everyone’s palate is different. What may be skunk to me, may be burnt rubber to you. Breeders are trying their best to unlock these highly sought genetics. Us growers also have to make sure we are doing our best to unlock the genetics potential
 
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doniawon

doniawon

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BurtMaklin said:
Oops, didn't mean to come off like a twat. I'm kinda sarcastic and have a dry sense of humour that sometimes doesn't translate well to print. I'm as guilty as anyone for buying into hype, not so much now, but back in the day I'd send my rent off for the next big thing in High Times and end up with something worse than I already had. It's gotten to the point where you go to some sites to look for seeds and the description isn't even there, just what was mixed with what... like that's all the info I need. Nothing about which phenos I should look for or expect, no info at all. Lucky to get a pic of some random weed to represent what I should get, no breeder tips on growing her, whether it's mold resistent or feeding info (which doesn't really count now that I do no till), nothing. What do I get for my 150-300 bucks? Some seeds that may or not be what they are advertised to be and a breeder that doesn't take the time to copy and paste the descriptions/tips and give them to the seed broker other than "badazz clone only mixed with the same male all their crosses are made with". That shit grinds my gears! I get better instructions and info on a new microwave I already know how to use, and if I have any questions I don't have to chase Samsung down on instagram to find the info.

It seems to me that we have given breeders a free pass to the fame and fortune show, letting the idea of testing their gear fall away so we can gargle their nuts on social media. Watching breeders bad mouth each other, only to have the same shit hurled at them a couple months later by some other breeder. How many watered down diesel crosses, kush crosses, haze crosses, etc...do we have to shell out big money for and find average weed before we hold people accountable? If I don't get anything I like with TNF, I'll throw them in the bin full of breeders I won't order from again. I skeptically ordered these like I skeptically order everything else. But I will say, Dynasty, Ace, E$KOBAR, USC, NAW, and a few others do give pretty good descriptions/info and the work they put in shows in their products.

I will say though, the RKS seems to be an elusive pheno at best, so anyone thinking they can order 20-30 seeds expecting to find a 1:200 pheno is walking around with their head up their ass. You could have bad luck and grow out 500-1000 plants and still not get it. The next guy might get it with one freebie. Statistics are a bitch, and genetics are 100% luck if you don't run the numbers. Also, remembering what shit smelled like 30 plus years ago when you were younger with a better sense of smell might not be even possible. If you hopped in the waaaaaay back machine and smelled that exact weed, it might not smell like you remembered. Different growing styles, different nutes, length of cure, what it was cured in, all changes the smells of the weed I've grown in multiple growing mediums, nutes, organic vs chem, etc... Too many variables for me to trust my own memory. Chasing nostalgia is a fools errand, IMHO, but I still do it. Lol.
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"Chasing nostalgia is a fools errand" fucking great!!.
 
blowincherrypie

blowincherrypie

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BurtMaklin said:
Oops, didn't mean to come off like a twat. I'm kinda sarcastic and have a dry sense of humour that sometimes doesn't translate well to print. I'm as guilty as anyone for buying into hype, not so much now, but back in the day I'd send my rent off for the next big thing in High Times and end up with something worse than I already had. It's gotten to the point where you go to some sites to look for seeds and the description isn't even there, just what was mixed with what... like that's all the info I need. Nothing about which phenos I should look for or expect, no info at all. Lucky to get a pic of some random weed to represent what I should get, no breeder tips on growing her, whether it's mold resistent or feeding info (which doesn't really count now that I do no till), nothing. What do I get for my 150-300 bucks? Some seeds that may or not be what they are advertised to be and a breeder that doesn't take the time to copy and paste the descriptions/tips and give them to the seed broker other than "badazz clone only mixed with the same male all their crosses are made with". That shit grinds my gears! I get better instructions and info on a new microwave I already know how to use, and if I have any questions I don't have to chase Samsung down on instagram to find the info.

It seems to me that we have given breeders a free pass to the fame and fortune show, letting the idea of testing their gear fall away so we can gargle their nuts on social media. Watching breeders bad mouth each other, only to have the same shit hurled at them a couple months later by some other breeder. How many watered down diesel crosses, kush crosses, haze crosses, etc...do we have to shell out big money for and find average weed before we hold people accountable? If I don't get anything I like with TNF, I'll throw them in the bin full of breeders I won't order from again. I skeptically ordered these like I skeptically order everything else. But I will say, Dynasty, Ace, E$KOBAR, USC, NAW, and a few others do give pretty good descriptions/info and the work they put in shows in their products.

I will say though, the RKS seems to be an elusive pheno at best, so anyone thinking they can order 20-30 seeds expecting to find a 1:200 pheno is walking around with their head up their ass. You could have bad luck and grow out 500-1000 plants and still not get it. The next guy might get it with one freebie. Statistics are a bitch, and genetics are 100% luck if you don't run the numbers.
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I hear what you're sayin.. comparing an electronic device to a plant with genetic variation is a bit of a stretch. Not sure how these chuckers are supposed to really provide instructions or even descriptions/tips.. They sell seeds, we plant and take care of them and hope for the best. As you pointed out about elusive phenos, most of these strains will pump out dozens of different expressions.

I do agree that 150-300 a pack of seeds is just fucking crazy for most things.. But if things are being shopped as being rks but you have to pop multiple hundred beans, I really think it should be the breeder who works that particular pheno until you can count on seeing that expression on a more regular basis. Being able to just say "oh you need to pop more beans to find it" is kinda bullshit imo.. If I grew out 1000 plants and crapped out the last thing I would wanna hear is "I guess you need to buy another pack" but somehow that appears to be what's going on with rks. Those $80 packs, which a lot are touting as such a good deal, quickly become expensive ass lottery tickets if you need to pop 20+ packs to find what's being advertised.

BurtMaklin said:
Also, remembering what shit smelled like 30 plus years ago when you were younger with a better sense of smell might not be even possible. If you hopped in the waaaaaay back machine and smelled that exact weed, it might not smell like you remembered. Different growing styles, different nutes, length of cure, what it was cured in, all changes the smells of the weed I've grown in multiple growing mediums, nutes, organic vs chem, etc... Too many variables for me to trust my own memory. Chasing nostalgia is a fools errand, IMHO, but I still do it. Lol.
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maurostu04 said:
Everyone’s palate is different. What may be skunk to me, may be burnt rubber to you. Breeders are trying their best to unlock these highly sought genetics. Us growers also have to make sure we are doing our best to unlock the genetics potential
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The skunk that came around my area was unmistakable skunk.. not skunky, or skunkish, or onions etc. It was the actual smell that I remember as a child going on road trips that the kids used to say "eewwwww" but the adults would just look at each other and laugh. No palate/memory involved.. There have been a few that have been skunky in the past 15 years but nothing that smells like the backroads in the summer.
 
genuity

genuity

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Back when I wanted to grow skunk,I grabbed reserva privada (RKS) & I'll tell you what,that shit almost got me busted,that smell of deadass skunk,was so powerful, you could smell it a good 50 yards from the grow.
The dry nugs was no better,that smell got even more loud,stick to you like perfume..

Never have I wanted a grow to end so fast...

No true skunk for me ever again.
 
kona gold

kona gold

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genuity said:
Back when I wanted to grow skunk,I grabbed reserva privada (RKS) & I'll tell you what,that shit almost got me busted,that smell of deadass skunk,was so powerful, you could smell it a good 50 yards from the grow.
The dry nugs was no better,that smell got even more loud,stick to you like perfume..

Never have I wanted a grow to end so fast...

No true skunk for me ever again.
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That was the first rks out, and i gave that a whirl. I had some lime and spice phenos but no skunk!!
Looks like you fpund the one skunk they had.
 
kona gold

kona gold

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blowincherrypie said:
I hear what you're sayin.. comparing an electronic device to a plant with genetic variation is a bit of a stretch. Not sure how these chuckers are supposed to really provide instructions or even descriptions/tips.. They sell seeds, we plant and take care of them and hope for the best. As you pointed out about elusive phenos, most of these strains will pump out dozens of different expressions.

I do agree that 150-300 a pack of seeds is just fucking crazy for most things.. But if things are being shopped as being rks but you have to pop multiple hundred beans, I really think it should be the breeder who works that particular pheno until you can count on seeing that expression on a more regular basis. Being able to just say "oh you need to pop more beans to find it" is kinda bullshit imo.. If I grew out 1000 plants and crapped out the last thing I would wanna hear is "I guess you need to buy another pack" but somehow that appears to be what's going on with rks. Those $80 packs, which a lot are touting as such a good deal, quickly become expensive ass lottery tickets if you need to pop 20+ packs to find what's being advertised.






The skunk that came around my area was unmistakable skunk.. not skunky, or skunkish, or onions etc. It was the actual smell that I remember as a child going on road trips that the kids used to say "eewwwww" but the adults would just look at each other and laugh. No palate/memory involved.. There have been a few that have been skunky in the past 15 years but nothing that smells like the backroads in the summer.
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If I want onions or garlic skunk I'll grow out some chemdog.
 
kona gold

kona gold

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doniawon said:
Currently running shoreline bx. From @shorelineOG

Found a rks male. Offensive super extremely loud skunk at 4 weeks bloom.

Females r also half in. Haven't found the one yet via stem rub but alot of time left.
Fingers crossed.
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Stoked that you fpund a spunky male.
But look at the rest? Shoreline bx should be throwing mostly skunk phenos, but obviously that is not the case.
 
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eastcoastled

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genuity said:
Back when I wanted to grow skunk,I grabbed reserva privada (RKS) & I'll tell you what,that shit almost got me busted,that smell of deadass skunk,was so powerful, you could smell it a good 50 yards from the grow.
The dry nugs was no better,that smell got even more loud,stick to you like perfume..

Never have I wanted a grow to end so fast...

No true skunk for me ever again.
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Funny you say that.
The best plant I have ever found was in DNA’s exodus kush. UK cheese x OG kush. Those seeds were freebies at that. I popped one, and it smells exactly like skunk spray. It’s the only shit I smoke that makes me paranoid out in public like I remember in high school. Forget about having a bag in your pocket lol. I recently popped the last 3 seeds and found one even stinkier than the first. The other two have the smell in them, but it’s not pure skunk spray. If I were to sell the flower as RKS or Skunk, no one would question it.
 
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althor

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yesum said:
Ok, so no legit Skunk around. Does the high of these non skunky strains deliver a high at all like the old time stuff? I think that is what matters. Who wants to have skunk in their mouth otherwise?

I had 'Skunk' once in '86 or so. Great high, very clear, up, calm. No crash at the end and certainly not narcotic. Not sure what it really was but the taste and smell to me was pine. I think someone else would say it was skunk tasting but for me it was pine. I have not chased the Skunk line of old but did grow a Seedsman Sweet Skunk out did get a very good high out of it. Maybe not as good as the old one but nice.

I am currently growing Island Sweet Skunk and looking forward to a haze type effect. Have not tried any yet but hear it is the better Skunk around these days. The Skunk line of old described as couchlock or narcotic is not at all desirable to me.
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That sounds like christmas tree bud to me. Christmas Tree smells just like a christmas tree, all pine and a very up, cerebral high, and in some cases pretty psychodelic.

Skunk is straight stone you to the bone bud. Melt your face off and sink into the couch.
 
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eastcoastled

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On a side note to my previous post. Exodus cheese is probably an exact replica of RKS. It also seems to be held in tight circles. I always wonder why no one ever searches the cheese for RKS. The name game is so fucking strong, I swear. Do you know why they don’t call it skunk in Europe?? Because there is no such thing as a skunk to them! Skunks (the animal) are only native to North America, so onlythose on this continent can even relate to RKS smell. The UK Cheese is obviously the decendant or clone of what we call RKS, but you never hear of that being in the genetics.
 
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althor

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eastcoastled said:
On a side note to my previous post. Exodus cheese is probably an exact replica of RKS. It also seems to be held in tight circles. I always wonder why no one ever searches the cheese for RKS. The name game is so fucking strong, I swear. Do you know why they don’t call it skunk in Europe?? Because there is no such thing as a skunk to them! Skunks (the animal) are only native to North America, so onlythose on this continent can even relate to RKS smell. The UK Cheese is obviously the decendant or clone of what we call RKS, but you never hear of that being in the genetics.
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Yeah, cheese is a descendant from skunk, so it would stand to reason there might be real skunk phenos in them.
 
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eastcoastled

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althor said:
Yeah, cheese is a descendant from skunk, so it would stand to reason there might be real skunk phenos in them.[/QUOTE
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No, it’s not reason, it’s fact. Cheese is what they call skunk in the UK, b/c they have no reason to call it skunk....there is no such thing as a skunk in Europe, so stankass cheese is the next best thing. I can’t be the on.y one on here who’s father would bring home the “foot cheese” as we called it around the holidays. It was a cheese that would stink up the whole house and smelled like stinky feet. Stinky feet, skunk, burnt rubber, puke, the foot cheese contained all these terps!! This cheese always came from Europe! It seems silly no one has hunted the skunk in UK cheese, b/c they are the same terp profile....I doubt that part can be argued
 
BurtMaklin

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blowincherrypie said:
I hear what you're sayin.. comparing an electronic device to a plant with genetic variation is a bit of a stretch. Not sure how these chuckers are supposed to really provide instructions or even descriptions/tips.. They sell seeds, we plant and take care of them and hope for the best. As you pointed out about elusive phenos, most of these strains will pump out dozens of different expressions.

I do agree that 150-300 a pack of seeds is just fucking crazy for most things.. But if things are being shopped as being rks but you have to pop multiple hundred beans, I really think it should be the breeder who works that particular pheno until you can count on seeing that expression on a more regular basis. Being able to just say "oh you need to pop more beans to find it" is kinda bullshit imo.. If I grew out 1000 plants and crapped out the last thing I would wanna hear is "I guess you need to buy another pack" but somehow that appears to be what's going on with rks. Those $80 packs, which a lot are touting as such a good deal, quickly become expensive ass lottery tickets if you need to pop 20+ packs to find what's being advertised.






The skunk that came around my area was unmistakable skunk.. not skunky, or skunkish, or onions etc. It was the actual smell that I remember as a child going on road trips that the kids used to say "eewwwww" but the adults would just look at each other and laugh. No palate/memory involved.. There have been a few that have been skunky in the past 15 years but nothing that smells like the backroads in the summer.
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I'm 100% with ya on the idea that you should get a reasonable template of what you ordered, and for the most part, $300 for an unworked, f1 hybrid is just ludicrous. For that money it shouldn't be that ridiculous to expect a little info on what phenos to expect (after all they did select the parents for, I'm assuming, certain characteristics), what environment their particular cultivar thrives in, whether it likes high or low ppm feedings, is a cal mag whore, likes light or heavy nitrogen in veg, whether they're susceptible to powdery mildew, botrytis, insect resistant, whether it responds well to topping or LST or should be left to grow au natural, etc... IF you've tested them. It's not scientific or a guarantee, but a WAG (wild ass guess) would be helpful.

Not everyone has environmentally controlled professional setups, and I'd wager a guess that 90% of the customers buying commercially available seeds are just home growers (nobody's) looking for something they can fire in a tent/spare room with an intake and exhaust, which makes that info important so you don't waste 6 months of money, time and effort growing something you could have avoided. It doesn't seem that hard to me, unless you drop 20 strains twice a year and provide nothing but attitude when people encounter problems. There are breeders out there that provide very detailed info, that means all of them should be able to do it. The fact that many of them provide nothing is why people find themselves spewing hate about those breeders on forums like this when shit hits the fan in their little grows. And the fact that these seeds are being passed off as "medicine" for sick people is even more perturbing, and at that point, it's a simple equation of profit over ethics. Most people just want some good, reliable shit that's easy to grow, and when they don't get it they get grumpy. Seems reasonable to me. Made me real grumpy when I first started out and I had to hack the top colas off my plants cuz they were growing up past my lights in a small place. I see threads all the time where people have to ask other growers for simple info they should get from a breeder description.

Now, people on a hunt for the unusual have to expect a lot more selection work, even if it means f2ing carefully selected parent plants from the packs you bought and working from there. Math and statistics don't care if the last thing you want to hear is "you gotta pop another pack". That's an emotional response and is completely irrelevant. Special phenos are special BECAUSE they are rare to come by, not because they come in every 10 pack. That being said, you should be able to find what you're looking for in the first couple generations without too much trouble, or I agree, the genetics aren't there. It can be frustrating to pop pack after pack looking for your girl, but if you don't find her, what else are you going to do?
 
raggyb

raggyb

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eastcoastled said:
On a side note to my previous post. Exodus cheese is probably an exact replica of RKS. It also seems to be held in tight circles. I always wonder why no one ever searches the cheese for RKS. The name game is so fucking strong, I swear. Do you know why they don’t call it skunk in Europe?? Because there is no such thing as a skunk to them! Skunks (the animal) are only native to North America, so onlythose on this continent can even relate to RKS smell. The UK Cheese is obviously the decendant or clone of what we call RKS, but you never hear of that being in the genetics.
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I guess I misunderstood Pepe Le Pew all these years. He must have been Canadian French!
 
thenotsoesoteric

thenotsoesoteric

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rollinfunk said:
The dead skunk smell came from afghanis, not skunk #1.
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First seeds I ever bought were skunk #1 feminized by dutch passion in 2002, from Kind seed from a High times cover ad, and they all were uniform but the keeper was 100% skunk smelling. You could literally smell my buddy's house two blocks down the street before we discovered carbon filters. It would fuck your whole house up, all your clothes etc... we had to stop growing it because it smelled so bad.

I know the Europeans were still working out the stink back then so the skunk #1 by dutch passion might not be the same as it once was.
 
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thenotsoesoteric

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genuity said:
Back when I wanted to grow skunk,I grabbed reserva privada (RKS) & I'll tell you what,that shit almost got me busted,that smell of deadass skunk,was so powerful, you could smell it a good 50 yards from the grow.
The dry nugs was no better,that smell got even more loud,stick to you like perfume..

Never have I wanted a grow to end so fast...

No true skunk for me ever again.
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Lol, same shit here man! Me and a buddy were walking back to his crib and literally like two blocks away we both get a whiff of skunk and our eyes lit up like "oh fuck!" Rushed back to the crib and sprayed air freshener and shit, lol. Then went down the ion generator and oni gel route which sucked, that shit stinks.

My buddy was still and high school and had people tell him they could smell skunk on his clothes. Shit was no bueno.

I passed those clones on and have never bought another skunk till recently I got canna venture's Arcata skunk but I'm in Oregon so no more worries about the fuzz.
 
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rollinfunk

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thenotsoesoteric said:
First seeds I ever bought were skunk #1 feminized by dutch passion in 2002, from Kind seed from a High times cover ad, and they all were uniform but the keeper was 100% skunk smelling. You could literally smell my buddy's house two blocks down the street before we discovered carbon filters. It would fuck your whole house up, all your clothes etc... we had to stop growing it because it smelled so bad.

I know the Europeans were still working out the stink back then so the skunk #1 by dutch passion might not be the same as it once was.
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Nice. I have had herb like that myself. Did Skunk #1 have some afghan in it? I think a lot of people had different skunk smelling strains. My guess is people crossed whatever they had to their road kill strains, but most stopped growing them for security reasons. Did you ever try the DP Skunk #1 again after that first pack?
 
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