The Matrix - humans as batteries?

Urca

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the sun is not as old as the universe. i think its about the same age as the solar system though. they estimate it at 4.6 billion years old, and the universe is 13.7 billion i believe.
stars are balls of gas that eventually get big enough to create massive pressure due to gravity. once this force reaches a certain point, fusion starts and u have a star. our sun now is in a stage of balance, between the inward force of gravity, and the outward push of fusion. eventually the balance gets thrown off due to lack of fuel, and a supernova (eventually) happens. all of the elements inside that star explode out into the universe. eventually this stuff mixes with other stuff, clumps together, and forms solar systems. our solar system is made from the remains of a previous supernova
almost correct, you just missed one point. That nuclear reactions happen again and again, which is fuel to the sun to keep burning, however, with each reaction, there are fewer products left over, when we run out of fuel to react, and also what you stated, is when our sun will die.

You pretty much hit the nail on the head, but I think our universe is older than billions of years. i could be wrong, of course
 

Luger187

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i just read this. i want me some of these giant sky diamonds!

Because a white dwarf is not able to create internal pressure (e.g. from the release of energy from fusion, because fusion has ceased), gravity compacts the matter inward until even the electrons that compose a white dwarf's atoms are smashed together. In normal circumstances, identical electrons (those with the same "spin") are not allowed to occupy the same energy level. Since there are only two ways an electron can spin, only two electrons can occupy a single energy level. This is what's known in physics as the Pauli Exclusion Principle. In a normal gas, this isn't a problem because there aren't enough electrons floating around to fill up all the energy levels completely. But in a white dwarf, the density is much higher, and all of the electrons are much closer together. This is referred to as a "degenerate" gas, meaning that all the energy levels in its atoms are filled up with electrons. For gravity to compress the white dwarf further, it must force electrons where they cannot go. Once a star is degenerate, gravity cannot compress it any more, because quantum mechanics dictates that there is no more available space to be taken up. So our white dwarf survives, not by internal fusion, but by quantum mechanical principles that prevent its complete collapse.

Degenerate matter has other unusual properties. For example, the more massive a white dwarf is, the smaller it is. This is because the more mass a white dwarf has, the more its electrons must squeeze together to maintain enough outward pressure to support the extra mass. However, there is a limit on the amount of mass a white dwarf can have. Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar discovered this limit to be 1.4 times the mass of the Sun. This is appropriately known as the "Chandrasekhar limit."

With a surface gravity of 100,000 times that of Earth, the atmosphere of a white dwarf is very strange. The heavier atoms in its atmosphere sink, and the lighter ones remain at the surface. Some white dwarfs have almost pure hydrogen or helium atmospheres, the lightest of elements. Also, gravity pulls the atmosphere close around it in a very thin layer. If this occurred on Earth, the top of the atmosphere would be below the tops of skyscrapers.

Scientists hypothesize that there is a crust 50 km thick below the atmosphere of many white dwarfs. At the bottom of this crust is a crystalline lattice of carbon and oxygen atoms. Since a diamond is just crystallized carbon, one might make the comparison between a cool carbon/oxygen white dwarf and a diamond.
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/science/know_l2/dwarfs.html
 

Urca

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lol maybe the beatles knew something we didnt about white dwarf stars... JK JK JK
I know its about drugs before anyone jumps down my throat
 
I understand that, and I can suspend disbelief long enough to enjoy the movie, but they are clearly trying to give a legitimate explanation for the premise but it doesn't even make sense.
The Matrix is an allegory. If you watch it with the realisation that it is depicting modern life, then it is a real eye opener.
 

jonblaze420

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Our human body has a Meissner field surrounding it. Perhaps this Meissner field was being harnessed through technology.

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Shannon Alexander

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If you haven't seen the sequels I would suggest to continue on your life without watching them... You could do anything... and I mean anything... and it would be a better use of your time than watching the sequels...
 

Shannon Alexander

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People get energy from food... the old batteries are processed and fed to the ones that still work at a high enough rate to keep it a worthwhile venture...
 

jonblaze420

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People get energy from food... the old batteries are processed and fed to the ones that still work at a high enough rate to keep it a worthwhile venture...
Yes they liquify the dead and feed it to them for 'energy' to produce 'electricity,' correct. OP did you watch the movie?
 

guy incognito

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Understood, but how is that a sustainable process? Do you think I could lock a bunch of dogs in my basement and keep a sustainable food source for them out of the dogs that die without ever introducing any new food? Never bring in any plants (because there is no sun) or any other animals for food (because there is none, because they have no food).

Am I the only one that can see the energy could not be balanced? Energy will be used to digest, and heat the dogs, and to move around. All that energy is lost forever and must be replaced. You cannot replace it with dead "batteries" because it is not sustainable. There is a measurable and finite quantity of energy locked in my basement, and that number will always continue to decrease unless an outside source of energy is added. Dogs eating other dogs for sustenance will last for a limited time before you run out of food. The end game in that scenario is a single dog that consumed all the others, and eventually dies because he has no food.

If you cannot understand that, then maybe you should try to build this car that operates under a similar principle.



Why use gas when you can just harness the power of the magnet to move your car!
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I understand that, and I can suspend disbelief long enough to enjoy the movie, but they are clearly trying to give a legitimate explanation for the premise but it doesn't even make sense.
Because Hollywood screenwriters, with rare exceptions, expect the audience to share a sort of celebration of scientific illiteracy. Folks who point at the holes in the science are obvious geeks, complete with intact virginity, skin conditions and a laugh that can break glass.

It's the sort of attitude that allows a silicon-based life form (Alien) to munch down on carbon-based humans, and to exude a supernatural corrosive to protect themselves, and calling it "molecular acid" (insert pic of massively parallel array of ten million chemist facepalms here) is deemed Good Enough.
Or one more word:
McGyver. :cuss:
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