The late Mrs. Fishy

I'm about 15 years older than Pearl. We've been together for 25 grow seasons (yrs).
She has always been "the life" of all situations, which is mostly a positive thing. Seems she can't be comfortable in any other role. Probably nerves.
My concern is that she won't get high anymore.
When she moved to her current job in health care, she wanted to give blood regularly, so that's a good thing, and I had no prob w/her abstaining. Recently, an incident at work resulted in her not being eligible to donate anymore (she got poked w/a needle). This saddened her. She was quite proud of her trying to help, and so was I.

Well, this "can't give blood" happened to coincide with my latest excellent harvest, so there's PLENTY of smoke here for us to share. I steered her to a hash tutorial here on RIU and she jumped right in, making and smoking the resulting goods . . . for about a week. It was GREAT to have her back.

She has always been unable to control herself w/pills. Legitimate medical concerns dictate she take some pain meds, as well as Lyrica, for fibromyalgia. Unfortunately, in her case, this becomes 10 Norco, 2? X blue xanax, methadone, and who knows what else, per day. She's a fickin' ZOMBIE 99% of the time. I mean, from 6 feet away, I have to call her 4-5 times to even penetrate her coma.
It's ridiculous. In my youth, I'd simply move on, but she's been the glue that has held us together this quarter century and probably kept me from being homeless**. Then there's the matter of love.
(You know what you call a musician w/o a girlfriend?)**
I'm a lifetime musician.
The 2 weeks? she was back on the ganja were GREAT! I can't say it did anything to help her with pain, but it made all the difference in the world in her being present when I spoke . . . and it was wonderful seeing her "goofy" again, instead of useless and dead.

I know what's it's like to not feel like smoking a bowl while addicted to pills, but have never regretted doing so, and have always felt so much better afterwards.

Maybe if ya'll post some thoughts and she reads them, she'll relent. She's gonna have to do something 'cuz this zombie shit sucks . . . AND IT'S GETTING WORSE.

Thanks/Fishy

damn man... thats real sad. hopefully she will steer away from all the pills, and will be able to "be herself" again.

thats a very hard position for any1 to be... the best of luck to both of you.

MrFishy said:

I'm about 15 years older than Pearl. We've been together for 25 grow seasons (yrs).
She has always been "the life" of all situations, which is mostly a positive thing. Seems she can't be comfortable in any other role. Probably nerves.
My concern is that she won't get high anymore.
When she moved to her current job in health care, she wanted to give blood regularly, so that's a good thing, and I had no prob w/her abstaining. Recently, an incident at work resulted in her not being eligible to donate anymore (she got poked w/a needle). This saddened her. She was quite proud of her trying to help, and so was I.

Well, this "can't give blood" happened to coincide with my latest excellent harvest, so there's PLENTY of smoke here for us to share. I steered her to a hash tutorial here on RIU and she jumped right in, making and smoking the resulting goods . . . for about a week. It was GREAT to have her back.

She has always been unable to control herself w/pills. Legitimate medical concerns dictate she take some pain meds, as well as Lyrica, for fibromyalgia. Unfortunately, in her case, this becomes 10 Norco, 2? X blue xanax, methadone, and who knows what else, per day. She's a fickin' ZOMBIE 99% of the time. I mean, from 6 feet away, I have to call her 4-5 times to even penetrate her coma.
It's ridiculous. In my youth, I'd simply move on, but she's been the glue that has held us together this quarter century and probably kept me from being homeless**. Then there's the matter of love.
(You know what you call a musician w/o a girlfriend?)**
I'm a lifetime musician.
The 2 weeks? she was back on the ganja were GREAT! I can't say it did anything to help her with pain, but it made all the difference in the world in her being present when I spoke . . . and it was wonderful seeing her "goofy" again, instead of useless and dead.

I know what's it's like to not feel like smoking a bowl while addicted to pills, but have never regretted doing so, and have always felt so much better afterwards.

Maybe if ya'll post some thoughts and she reads them, she'll relent. She's gonna have to do something 'cuz this zombie shit sucks.

Thanks/Fishy

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Hey Mrs. Fishy! Those pills are meant to put you in a comma. Weed is a gift from whatever God you want to believe in. It is natural, from this earth and meant to heal. Drop the pills and live out your days happy and in the same world as Mr Fishy, who I consider to be a smart and wise gentilman. GOOD LUCK!!

MrFishy said:

She has always been unable to control herself w/pills. Legitimate medical concerns dictate she take some pain meds, as well as Lyrica, for fibromyalgia. Unfortunately, in her case, this becomes 10 Norco, 2? X blue xanax, methadone, and who knows what else, per day. She's a fickin' ZOMBIE 99% of the time. I mean, from 6 feet away, I have to call her 4-5 times to even penetrate her coma.

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So, long story short, you're saying she's abusing her medication? That's a pretty serious situation. You should seek professional psychological/psychiatric help, IMO.

Good luck.

I think i might be able to help hold on..

Pills are bad news. I'm on vikes right now cause I got my wisdom teeth pulled yesterday, and I can't wait to get off em.

I do NOT want to be hooked on any pills, my cousin once had his stomach pumped cause of a bad combination he took. Stick to the magical sweet leaf.

ElBarto said:

So, long story short, you're saying she's abusing her medication? That's a pretty serious situation. You should seek professional psychological/psychiatric help, IMO.

Good luck.

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Truly appreciate this advice but, in this case, seeking professional help would be like calling the cops. Part of the "denial" thing.
If I could get her smoking early enough on her "off' days, I suspect this alone would greatly diminish her worrying about whether she should take another this or that. She works early and takes Norco an hour before her final wake-up alarm, then just zones thru the day, comes home, crashes, takes a few I dunno whats, then zombies thru the evening.

I just don't see her ever seeking help for pills.
She does respect RIUppers, so maybe these words will sink in?

can you hide the pills? or stop her refills?

just tryin to think of anything that would help....

fukdapolice said:

can you hide the pills? or stop her refills?

just tryin to think of anything that would help....

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Nice try. Nah, that wouldn't work in this situation, 'cuz I'm almost always here alone, and she's out in the world. I could drop a dime on her, but don't believe anyone can, or should, dictate morality . . . that's what the U.S. Gov does in relation to our weed.
If she would just smoke, I feel the other would take care of itself. I don't expect her to quit taking meds . . . I would love her to get a grip, though.

fukdapolice said:

can you hide the pills? or stop her refills?

just tryin to think of anything that would help....

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Go ahead and try that and all Hell would break lose.....Dont fuck with a person on pills and their pills....This is unfortunate and Im sorry, I know wayyyyy to much about this.

ok, at least i tried.

so i guess the only thing that would stop her is death?

sorry for being so down, but it really is a question.

Dear Mrs Fishy,
It really saddens me to hear Mr Fishy grieving at this very time and really hurt the whole community, He has been such an asset to the community as well as im sure he has been to you. You both have been together for 25+ years and have been there for each other through smooth sailing oceans and rocky uphilling mountains and you can just fall off these mountains our climbing up now. Your going through a battle with yourself right now and the only person that can help that is YOU. Ive always turned to GOD in matters where i just couldnt do it by myself but in the end you come to realize it wasnt GOD who helped you, it was YOURSELF.

My mother went through the same thing after a car accident and she was prescribed to xanax, and vicodin. After takin it for weeks/months she became reliable on them and nothing else would help or matter which turned her into a complete zombie like figure and just lost her WHOLE personality. It saddens me to this day and made our entire family just fall apart and set off a chain reaction to everything like stacking dominos. The only thing we can do is be there for you but you have to do the rest. Which we were. We gave her all the support she needed and gave her all the comfort she wanted and that seemed to be enough for her to actually get up out of the blue one day and just dump months of pills into the toilet and just flush them down. To this day she hasnt touched or taken one damn pill and she was weak, really weak...Some way, somehow she managed to BELIEVE IN HERSELF and her family to just put the 'masks' away and continue her life the way its supposed to be...

From what I learned through all this, YOU just need to be STRONG and WILLFUL if you want to continue your BEAUTIFUL LIFE AND BEAUTIFUL marriage with Mr. Fishy...You know in your heart you both love each other from the moon to the stars and would do anything for each other no matter what. You know you have his support 110% throughout all of this whether you do or dont stop, but dont take advantage of that...Dont think things cant get better because ive already proven that they have and can no matter how deep of a hole you think your in... My mother couldnt be happier with the hard choice she made in getting off those pills and just regrets all the time and love she missed giving her family and friends which im sure Mr. Fishy wants back from you...He loves you too much to see you like this obviously and you have to make this move forward if you want to show it back to him...

As for you Mr. Fishy, it seems to me you have the love of your life right here and you just need to keep doing the great job your doing and just keep loving her the way you always have and things will turn up..i promise...Maybe find different activities for you two to do and get outta the house if your able to... Just be there for her through it all and just hope and pray for her and things will work out...I really really hope everything turns okay for you two, I know it will, just everything takes time a patience

Dont think miracles cant happen and things cant get better w/o drugs...they do and they will, and you have my sincere prayers....

Lifes too short to live it like a rock, if a rock had a choice im sure it wouldnt take advanatge of what it was given

I hope this helps out a little Mr. Fishy...

Zekedogg said:

Go ahead and try that and all Hell would break lose.....Dont fuck with a person on pills and their pills....This is unfortunate and Im sorry, I know wayyyyy to much about this.

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Exactly!
And one more thing . . . IMO, ALL PILLHEADS WILL STEAL YOUR PILLS if you leave them out or expose their locale. NEVER keep real meds in a medicine cabinet, unless you don't want them.
Any pillhead who doesn't steal pills, when given the opportunity, doesn't really have a pill problem.
It's not considered stealing to the addict.
You've been warned and I'm not gonna tell ya twice.

MrFishy said:

Exactly!
And one more thing . . . IMO, ALL PILLHEADS WILL STEAL YOUR PILLS if you leave them out or expose their locale. NEVER keep real meds in a medicine cabinet, unless you don't want them.
Any pillhead who doesn't steal pills, when given the opportunity, doesn't really have a pill problem.
It's not considered stealing to the addict.

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Indeed my friend!

fukdapolice said:

ok, at least i tried.

so i guess the only thing that would stop her is death?

sorry for being so down, but it really is a question.

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Unfortunately, her people live well into their 80's-90's, so if she follows suite, and remains an abuser, she's 40-50 more years of meaningless wandering. If it got to the point where I sensed she were anywhere near going to die, that'd call for the measures you suggested.
I just know in my heart that the weed I'm having my first few poofs of this day at this exact moment could cure this abuse . . . but first we gotta get her back on the bus.

God made weed to cure all needs!~!

well, once again, i hope it all works out for the better.

I'm sorry to hear of your troubles Mr. & Mrs. Fishy.

The simple fact is Mrs. Fishy has a problem and needs real medical and psychological help. Moving her addition to a drug you enjoy isn't helping her, it's being selfish.

I know is is going to be hard to hear, it's hard to say, but if really love her and want to help her not be an addict you're going to have to quit pot too. You can't get off heavy drugs when there is a soft drug user in the house.

It's up to you if you love pot more than her. It may seem cold but you also have to make sure you're happy. I broke up with my last girlfriend because I liked pot more than I liked her...

It's a VERY rare thing when someone shows his or her humanity towards another person. I have not seen such compassion expressed in many years. To have such uninhibited show of compassion for anybody, is a heart wrenching, non-selfish act. How many of us can put aside our own self, with the greed, self righteousness, Holier-than-Thou self-proclaimed self importance, and expose yourself as a true Humanitarian, full well knowing that society will do all attempts to strip you of you compassionate belief. Stones will be cast, mainly because such statements cast a bad reflection when we look in the mirror. It's easier to cast stones & belittle cold factual compassion than look in the mirror.
A bird of the feather flocks together. Please don't change.

smokablunt16 said:

Dear Mrs Fishy,
It really saddens me to hear Mr Fishy grieving at this very time and really hurt the whole community, He has been such an asset to the community as well as im sure he has been to you. You both have been together for 25+ years and have been there for each other through smooth sailing oceans and rocky uphilling mountains and you can just fall off these mountains our climbing up now. Your going through a battle with yourself right now and the only person that can help that is YOU. Ive always turned to GOD in matters where i just couldnt do it by myself but in the end you come to realize it wasnt GOD who helped you, it was YOURSELF.
My mother went through the same thing after a car accident and she was prescribed to xanax, and vicodin. After takin it for weeks/months she became reliable on them and nothing else would help or matter which turned her into a complete zombie like figure and just lost her WHOLE personality. It saddens me to this day and made our entire family just fall apart and set off a chain reaction to everything like stacking dominos. The only thing we can do is be there for you but you have to do the rest. Which we were. We gave her all the support she needed and gave her all the comfort she wanted and that seemed to be enough for her to actually get up out of the blue one day and just dump months of pills into the toilet and just flush them down. To this day she hasnt touched or taken one damn pill and she was weak, really weak...Some way, somehow she managed to BELIEVE IN HERSELF and her family to just put the 'masks' away and continue her life the way its supposed to be...
From what I learned through all this, YOU just need to be STRONG and WILLFUL if you want to continue your BEAUTIFUL LIFE AND BEAUTIFUL marriage with Mr. Fishy...You know in your heart you both love each other from the moon to the stars and would do anything for each other no matter what. You know you have his support 110% throughout all of this whether you do or dont stop, but dont take advantage of that...Dont think things cant get better because ive already proven that they have and can no matter how deep of a hole you think your in... My mother couldnt be happier with the hard choice she made in getting off those pills and just regrets all the time and love she missed giving her family and friends which im sure Mr. Fishy wants back from you...He loves you too much to see you like this obviously and you have to make this move forward if you want to show it back to him...

As for you Mr. Fishy, it seems to me you have the love of your life right here and you just need to keep doing the great job your doing and just keep loving her the way you always have and things will turn up..i promise...Maybe find different activities for you two to do and get outta the house if your able to... Just be there for her through it all and just hope and pray for her and things will work out...I really really hope everything turns okay for you two, I know it will, just everything takes time a patience

Dont think miracles cant happen and things cant get better w/o drugs...they do and they will, and you have my sincere prayers....

I hope this helps out a little Mr. Fishy...

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I don't know what to say here- but I feel I ought to offer something. I have fibromyalgia so I know both the pain and the zombi-fication that the drugs (and the fibro itself) cause.

I have only recently begun to explore the effect of ganja on fibromyalgia- that's what brought me to this forum. I haven't actually tested it yet- just really optimistic about the rave reviews; I'm waiting for my harvest and I refuse to go out chasing gangsters and thugs for supply er... medicine.

I am at the point where I have recently been diagnosed, though I've had the pain for ages. The only pill I am currently on is tylenol with codeine- which I get over the counter in the UK. However, after only 6 weeks of taking the strongest ones they're not doing jack. So I have the choice now of going for the green medicine, or chasing the doctors for pharmaceuticals. Or maybe settling somewhere in the middle.

One thought I had about this is that opiate addiction/ tolerance messes with our natural pain receptors and perception of pain. So if your wife is taking 8-10 pills a day then her immediate baseline pain without the pills is heightened. Therefore for her to smoke at this point might not do much for the pain. I would try to convince your wife to light up a really big one every single time she wants a pill. Keep this up for 4-6 weeks. It works for harder drugs...

From all my research, I found that lots of people can give up all pills once they find the right strain. Others simply cut down drastically. I'm sure you know all this.

How long has your wife been on Lyrica? My mom is on that... she was telling me about how slowly she is working up to the working dose, because even the smallest amounts make her a zombie. After about 6 months of it she still feels like a zombie, though not at the full dose, but she "thinks it's helping". I look at my mom & grandma who both have fibro and I just don't want to become a pill popper. Mainly because it's good to feel alive... even through the pain.

I have been a pill popper before, as have many others, but I gotta say benzos were the hardest for me. They just go down so easy. If I were her I would ditch the downers and opiates, but keep what might be useful, and use the green for stress, pain and sleep. It could even end up taking care of most of the pain, but she won't know till all the pills have been out of the system for awhile.

There are no easy answers, but things can always be better if we think about things and go about them a different way.