stop making it look like we are in a gang together. i voted for Obama.
"The larger the gun, the more menacing the situation,"
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CrackerJax
New Member
I'm not seeing the connection...?stop making it look like we are in a gang together. i voted for Obama.
exactly. there is none.
CrackerJax
New Member
But you gave me your pin! What are you saying? We're through?? You've found someone else?
Mom was right about you....
Mom was right about you....
Big P
Well-Known Member
if liberals in government would not constantly try to trample on the right to bare arms i dont think people would bring them out in public peacfully in protest
they bring the guns out not to antimidate them with the weapon itself but to kinda say, like hey screw u people who wanna take my rights. im exercising my rights and you can do nothing about it
we would do the same if weed was legal and people wanted to ban it. we would smoke it in the streets if it was legal and be like nanny nanny boo boo
if u are a criminal and want a gun you wouldnt get a legal one unless u wanted it to get traced back to you
so that by itself to me kills any argument that stopping legal gun owners would prevent crime
seems to me if i was a criminal doing armed robberies i would feel much safer doing it in a town that has banned guns
as I said in my above post which no one could retort, im guessing because I hit it on the head
they are trying to take away our guns rights
that is a fact
u guys would brandish your joints outside that town hall to protest too if that president and his party wanted to take away your right to smoke weed so why the hypoctacy?
if the president did not want to take away our constitutional right, there would be no need to rub it in his face that we are free law abiding gun owners and he has no authority to take away our right
just like they have zero authority to take away our right to smoke cannabis.
even tho they did, they are the traiters and are illigally forcing us to go to jail for smoking a plant
how can you guys sit there and claim you are for freedom, you know "free the weed free the weed"
and then you turn around an do the same thing to sombody else concerning his right to carry a gun in public?
and I will say again Obama and most democrats are trying to take away this right,
what if obama and the dems were in favour of banning all alcohal would you be pissed if a bunch of peeps protested outside his town hall peacfully pounding shots and and having wet t-shirt contests with beer?
ofcoarse not
so you guys need to check yourselves, seems like you guys favour the do as I say not as I do theory
there was one guy who had a sign there that said death to obama
and guess what he was detained by the secret service and rightly so
i have not heard of anyone trying to take away guns. do you have a source?
we don't have a right to smoke weed.
when did the pres say he wanted my gun?
we do NOT have the right to smoke cannabis.
alcohol is poison.
you make A LOT of assumptions.
we don't have a right to smoke weed.
when did the pres say he wanted my gun?
we do NOT have the right to smoke cannabis.
alcohol is poison.
you make A LOT of assumptions.
medicineman
New Member
What you guys on the right don't get is this: Idiots like the ones barring arms at political rallies will sound the death knell to the 2nd amendment faster than anything. This inflames liberals and also makes sane people wonder, is this a right? Most of you know I am an affirmed gun owner and believe in the 2nd amendment, but idiots like the ones at these rallies are going to get the media attention which will drive normal people to side with the liberal nutcases and get our beloved guns outlawed. Instead of being stupid and yelling they have the right, you ought to be talking to your right wing base and tell them to stop being idiots, before they trigger the impetus to dissolve the 2nd amendment. Until there is an all out "rage against the machine", these nutcases are doing our 2nd amendment rights, no fucking good at all. All we need is for one of these nutters to go postal and you can kiss the 2nd amendment Bye-Bye.
Big P
Well-Known Member
"I believe the DC gun ban is Constitutional, and will not be overturned."
--Barack Obama, Constitutional Scholar, 2/2/2008
FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 200
A History of Gun Control Advocacy
Barack Obama has a long history of voting for the restriction of assault weapons and other firearms prior to becoming President. A good unbiased history of his statements on gun control issues and his voting record can be found here but below are the important ones:
- Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 200
- FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 200
- Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 200
- Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 200
- 2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct 2007)
- Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)
- Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)
- Keep guns out of inner citiesbut also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)
- Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban. (Oct 2004)
- Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 199
- Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
and here is where it states that smoking marijuana is my right as a free citizen in my opinion
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for
um, ................. here is something that has actually happened. note the date. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/04/10/state/n050438D28.DTL
i recall seeing ZERO people carrying guns to protest then. =/
you do not have the right to smoke pot or you would openly.
what is real and what you seem to be reading don't jive. when they do, get back to me.
i recall seeing ZERO people carrying guns to protest then. =/
you do not have the right to smoke pot or you would openly.
what is real and what you seem to be reading don't jive. when they do, get back to me.
PVS
Active Member
more likely: one idiot flips out an gets shot by secret service, then right wing media sells him as the victim.
Bud Frosty
Well-Known Member
Exactly.
These BOZOS are doin the opposite of what they intend.
I like my guns. I've been taught firearm safety and purpose since an early age. A firearm is a tool, it can be used to feed your family or defend it when in imminent DANGER. They are not TOYS, although, learning to use them properly can also be quite enjoyable. (target practice) Keep it in perspective.
There's no place for them at an unrelated political rally. Use your brains people.
If you want to keep your right to own and carry a firearm, go out and take a firearm safety course conducted by an NRA certified instructor if you haven't already. If you're a hunter, take a kid or 2 out and show em why you enjoy it so much.
Join the NRA if you agree with their politics. Get involved in your community. Join a gun club. Set a good example for the young folks. Get a concealed carry permit. Volunteer your time teaching youngsters proper firearm safety and purpose. Take the family to the range.
There's alot of things you can do without being the 'crazy dude carrying a gun' on MSNBC.
Big P
Well-Known Member
um, ................. here is something that has actually happened. note the date. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/04/10/state/n050438D28.DTL
i recall seeing ZERO people carrying guns to protest then. =/
you do not have the right to smoke pot or you would openly.
what is real and what you seem to be reading don't jive. when they do, get back to me.
im saying his aim if he could would be to put serious block on gun ownership, so this is when protest is needed the most or else it may be easier for him to get his wish.
so when you say you havent heard of poeple who want to take way our guns rights, I just showed you that the leader of this coutry wants to and so does the ruling party of this country. what more threat to our rights is there?
We all know its a god given right to allow blacks to vote and be treated equaly as citizens, however if they tried to do it openly back it the day they would be arrested and prevented from execising this right
does that mean they did not have that right or does it mean that people in government were trampling on thier rights?
a right is not given to you by a government it simply exisits the role of government is to make sure those rights are protected
when they fail to do so it makes them traitors to the ideals this country was founded on.
that fact remains I have a right to smoke weed I have a right to own guns
even if im in communist china I would still have this right in my opinion. but would not be able to exercise it.
I do not have the right to infinge upon the rights of others.
as long as im not doing that I have the right to smoke pot.
if they wanna make a rule were i cant smoke it in public fine. cuz that may be trampling on other peoples rights.
but as far as me putin a joint in my mouth, no body has the right to tell me I cant. even tho they do all the time.
that is what finally brought me at peace with growing in a non legal state.
knowing that I am the one who is right and they are the ones who are the oppressors.
with that in mind I would go to jail with honour. I even have a couple of staments written on my grow room wall that state that I am a free american exercising my right to do as I see fit with my own body. and any law or governing authority that says otherwise is abusing thier authority and usurping my rights given to me by my creator and outlined in the declaration of independece of the United States Of America Of which I am a Citizen There by making it my duty, to throw off such Government mis-regulation which has clearly overstepped its authority.
by all means then, run around and prove your rights. i'll send you some soup money.
the problem i have with this forum is i deal with reality. the reality of the fact is pot is illegal. whether you have the right to smoke it or not. you can play word games all day but try walking down the street with it.
dude had no REASON to take a gun with him. whether it was his right or not. he looked like an idiot. in my opinion.
now what happened to that right to a speedy trial? get out there and save it damnit.
the problem i have with this forum is i deal with reality. the reality of the fact is pot is illegal. whether you have the right to smoke it or not. you can play word games all day but try walking down the street with it.
dude had no REASON to take a gun with him. whether it was his right or not. he looked like an idiot. in my opinion.
now what happened to that right to a speedy trial? get out there and save it damnit.
Big P
Well-Known Member
by all means then, run around and prove your rights. i'll send you some soup money.
the problem i have with this forum is i deal with reality. the reality of the fact is pot is illegal. whether you have the right to smoke it or not. you can play word games all day but try walking down the street with it.
dude had no REASON to take a gun with him. whether it was his right or not. he looked like an idiot. in my opinion.
now what happened to that right to a speedy trial? get out there and save it damnit.
what do you mean a speedy trial. im not catching that one. u mean for the guy who brought the gun?
im only saying the guy was right if he was bringing the gun as a protest to presidents possitions on gun control
if he was doing it like to antimidate, sending a message of "hey obama watch out we got guns and we may pop you if you dont chill out"
then ofcoarse that would be messed up and really wrong.
dude's worried about losing his rights. "the right to a speedy trial" is a given right. you'd better use it before lose it.
i'm using the same mentality and gunner dude.
he wasn't trying to intimidate, he was trying to look like a tool. or make a statement. so, he needs to go get arrested for something now. anything will work, just as long as he uses his right to a fair and speedy trial. otherwise he'll lose it.
figtree
Active Member
what if someone knocked that guy out, took his gun and sprayed the crowd, or worse our president.
i am an avid gun owner, gun rights kind of guy, but there are times and places for everything.
this guy has the right, but was it right? do we need to give someone with bad intentions the tools to carry out those intentions?
fyi: former republican here, i dont agree with scare tactics, or any of the strategies that the radical right use, i believe most republican politicians are more radical and more dangerous than the far radical left. remember when the right said obama was a muslim? and the stink it stirred up? i thought we had the freedom to practice any religion in this country, if he was muslim......so what! oh i forgot the religious right has become the radical "fundamentalist" right.
i am an avid gun owner, gun rights kind of guy, but there are times and places for everything.
this guy has the right, but was it right? do we need to give someone with bad intentions the tools to carry out those intentions?
fyi: former republican here, i dont agree with scare tactics, or any of the strategies that the radical right use, i believe most republican politicians are more radical and more dangerous than the far radical left. remember when the right said obama was a muslim? and the stink it stirred up? i thought we had the freedom to practice any religion in this country, if he was muslim......so what! oh i forgot the religious right has become the radical "fundamentalist" right.
Big P
Well-Known Member
dude's worried about losing his rights. "the right to a speedy trial" is a given right. you'd better use it before lose it.
i'm using the same mentality and gunner dude.
he wasn't trying to intimidate, he was trying to look like a tool. or make a statement. so, he needs to go get arrested for something now. anything will work, just as long as he uses his right to a fair and speedy trial. otherwise he'll lose it.
lol I get it
ya but whos trying to take away our right to a speedy trial?
you know whats messed dont trials take forever?
like some people wait in prison for like 2 years before they go to trial
isnt that an infringment?
I wonder if we could sue obama over this
j/k
lol I get it
ya but whos trying to take away our right to a speedy trial?
you know whats messed dont trials take forever?
like some people wait in prison for like 2 years before they go to trial
isnt that an infringment?
I wonder if we could sue obama over this
j/k
i thought we were gonna lose ALL our rights. what else are all the coffins for?
Big P
Well-Known Member
i thought we were gonna lose ALL our rights. what else are all the coffins for?
the coffins?
i thought they were for all the grandmas that we are gonna pull the plug on when we get the new healthcare system
