The Impeachment Trap

ttystikk

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him and his wife are under FBI investigation for defrauding a bank while bankrupting a college and giving themselves a golden parachute on the way out.

also, "COMMY!".

hillary handled him with kid gloves. the GOP would have buried him.
Yet she got buried by a serial liar.

Until the Democratic Party starts representing the rest of us, it's going to keep losing.
 

ttystikk

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imagine if that got covered as much as the phony stories about hillary's emails got covered.
You know what? None of this has any bearing at all on the fact that Bernie's positions on policy issues still represent my needs and interests much better than the establishment Democrats do.

But deny, delay, distract and dissemble. You're learning the lessons of the right wing quite well.

And thanks, by the way; sparring with you is definitely sharpening my own debating skills.
 

cindysid

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him and his wife are under FBI investigation for defrauding a bank while bankrupting a college and giving themselves a golden parachute on the way out.

also, "COMMY!".

hillary handled him with kid gloves. the GOP would have buried him.
She gave incorrect donor numbers as collateral to buy land to expand the college. He was not involved as far as I can tell, and $200,000.00 isn't much of a golden parachute. Seems trivial compared to Trump's shenanigans.
 

UncleBuck

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She gave incorrect donor numbers as collateral to buy land to expand the college. He was not involved as far as I can tell, and $200,000.00 isn't much of a golden parachute. Seems trivial compared to Trump's shenanigans.
emailing a NYT article on a secure server doesn't seem like much of a big deal either, but that was all we heard about for a year and a half.
 

UncleBuck

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You know what? None of this has any bearing at all on the fact that Bernie's positions on policy issues still represent my needs and interests much better than the establishment Democrats do.
94% voted with hillary.

stop dividing the left.
 

Fogdog

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Yet she got buried by a serial liar.

Until the Democratic Party starts representing the rest of us, it's going to keep losing.
The vote last November says the DP represent the majority. The problem lies in conservative states. I still don't see how Sanders liberal policies will win conservative states. Maybe you should start listening.
 

ttystikk

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The vote last November says the DP represent the majority. The problem lies in conservative states. I still don't see how Sanders liberal policies will win conservative states. Maybe you should start listening.
I've been listening and watching for a long time.

I've watched the Democratic Party miss obvious opportunities to make real progress and I've watched the country get more and more frustrated with the conservative turn the country is taking and I've watched the Democrats do everything they can to discredit their own left/Progressive flank because they're terrified they'd have to live up to their rhetoric.

You push your politics and I'll push mine. The difference is that the last 40 years has shown yours to be a losing fight and I am at least trying something different.

I understand your fear of the unknown.
 
The vote last November says the DP represent the majority. The problem lies in conservative states. I still don't see how Sanders liberal policies will win conservative states. Maybe you should start listening.

Sanders had a much bigger support system in red states than Clinton did. Sanders c
Had a better chance of getting the presidency than she did. Clinton lost because it was easy to hate her. I literally have never met a Clinton supporter in person. Sanders and Trump support was pretty wide.

Just what I saw during the insanity the last year and a half has been.

Most undecided voters who went Trump would probably have gone sanders. Trump and Clinton was a lose either way.
 

UncleBuck

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Sanders had a much bigger support system in red states than Clinton did. Sanders c
Had a better chance of getting the presidency than she did. Clinton lost because it was easy to hate her. I literally have never met a Clinton supporter in person. Sanders and Trump support was pretty wide.

Just what I saw during the insanity the last year and a half has been.

Most undecided voters who went Trump would probably have gone sanders. Trump and Clinton was a lose either way.
naive.
 

Fogdog

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I've been listening and watching for a long time.

I've watched the Democratic Party miss obvious opportunities to make real progress and I've watched the country get more and more frustrated with the conservative turn the country is taking and I've watched the Democrats do everything they can to discredit their own left/Progressive flank because they're terrified they'd have to live up to their rhetoric.

You push your politics and I'll push mine. The difference is that the last 40 years has shown yours to be a losing fight and I am at least trying something different.

I understand your fear of the unknown.

There is a problem with your argument. I haven't yet heard you voice a good argument that reconciles the fact that right wing voters consistently put people in office who oppose everything your faction wants to accomplish yet you claim the country is thirsting for this change.

Regarding your statement regarding "fear of the unknown". I've done a lot of whitewater boating in high water and we have a saying. There are old boaters and there are bold boaters. There aren't any old and bold boaters. I'm not timid. I trust my judgement and I don't take foolish risks.

You've recently accused me of being unfair to some so-called new posters. How did my judgement fare in those cases?
 

Fogdog

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Sanders had a much bigger support system in red states than Clinton did. Sanders c
Had a better chance of getting the presidency than she did. Clinton lost because it was easy to hate her. I literally have never met a Clinton supporter in person. Sanders and Trump support was pretty wide.

Just what I saw during the insanity the last year and a half has been.

Most undecided voters who went Trump would probably have gone sanders. Trump and Clinton was a lose either way.
naive
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
Buried? She got more votes, it was a fluke.

The Democratic Party represents me (and you) better than the deplorable party of Trump.

And you know that.

Damn, there's an obvious enemy to progress out there and it's not the Democrats.
Quite right.

IT'S IN OFFICE.

And I've talked to a lot of people who don't think Mrs Clinton would make anything better for them.
 
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