The Impeachment Trap

Big_Lou

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President Hatch is what we're in for. Does he believe in the magic underwear and planet Kolob?
Ugh, another half-dead lump of republifilth. Ahhhh, well....after their shameful cuckoldry and lickspittling, they haven't got a shot in HELL come 2018 anyhow. It's a dying 'party', thankfully.

Don't these fucking kkk ghouls ever DIE? A lot of these ancient stalwart nazis were old when I was a kid. The frightened turtle, the nervous elf, the fidgety old clucker, etc.etc...just GO already and stop muddying up the FUTURE ffs!
 

Fogdog

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You should watch some YouTube clips from that tour. He did a great job of highlighting the differences between his approach and the neoliberalism Perez was elected to represent.
I'm having trouble differentiating what you believe from what actually happened.

The audience was mostly the source of disunity at these unity events. What exactly did Perez say to "represent neoliberalism" during or after these unity events?

I have one quote:

"Well, you know, we want to make sure that health care is a right," Perez began, never quite offering a coherent answer.*

Is this the neoliberalism that you oppose?

* http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/21/politics/sanders-perez-democratic-unity-tour/
 

ttystikk

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I'm having trouble differentiating what you believe from what actually happened.

The audience was mostly the source of disunity at these unity events. What exactly did Perez say to "represent neoliberalism" during or after these unity events?

I have one quote:

"Well, you know, we want to make sure that health care is a right," Perez began, never quite offering a coherent answer.*

Is this the neoliberalism that you oppose?

* http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/21/politics/sanders-perez-democratic-unity-tour/
I think you're cherry picking quotes and lifting them out of context.
 

ttystikk

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ya mean, the party that 65 million people on the left voted for?
...oh, you are referring to the one that still lost, against a serial liar right wing populist? The one that's only 'left' by comparison to a right wing that's (just barely short of) openly fascist?

Don't try to imply that the Democratic Party is without sin and doesn't need to reexamine its approach and platform.

They're going to keep on losing until they figure out who their constituents are AND what we actually want from our government.
 

ttystikk

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and you accuse others of trying to divide the left.
The conceit that the Democrats are owed fealty by everyone who doesn't like Republicans is precisely their problem.

Time to start listening, rather than telling us what we're supposed to want from our representation.

Pro Tip: read some FDR speeches for hints, or even better, watch the clips I've been posting in my Mark Blyth thread in this section.
 

Fogdog

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I think you're cherry picking quotes and lifting them out of context.
You seem to over think a lot. The link was right there if you wanted to check me. But OK. I'll take your best shot at an example of something Perez said as head of DNC in "support of neoliberalism".
 

Fogdog

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The conceit that the Democrats are owed fealty by everyone who doesn't like Republicans is precisely their problem.

Time to start listening, rather than telling us what we're supposed to want from our representation.

Pro Tip: read some FDR speeches for hints, or even better, watch the clips I've been posting in my Mark Blyth thread in this section.
Uhhhhuuuh, Perez showed up with Sanders in the attempt to show solidarity because not listening. I'm still waiting for an example of Perez statements in "support of neoliberalism".
 

UncleBuck

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The conceit that the Democrats are owed fealty by everyone who doesn't like Republicans is precisely their problem.

Time to start listening, rather than telling us what we're supposed to want from our representation.

Pro Tip: read some FDR speeches for hints, or even better, watch the clips I've been posting in my Mark Blyth thread in this section.
why are you trying to divide the left?
 

ttystikk

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You seem to over think a lot. The link was right there if you wanted to check me. But OK. I'll take your best shot at an example of something Perez said as head of DNC in "support of neoliberalism".
This is the title of the article;
Democrats' 'unity tour' is highlighting their many divisions

Seriously?
 

ttystikk

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why are you trying to divide the left?
In order to gain actual representation in my Federal Government. As I've made plain on many occasions now, I don't feel the current Democratic Party adequately represents my interests.

They can certainly change their platform, but even in the face of abject failure they refuse to do so.
 

ttystikk

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so you are trying to divide the left. thanks for the admission. please stop trying to project that onto others like myself.
I'm not. I'm saying that the Democratic Party does not represent my interests.

If and when they alter their platform to better do so, I'll be happy to join them.

It's very clear to me by now that you don't want to see the difference.
 

cindysid

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ya mean, the party that 65 million people on the left voted for?
Hilary only got 15mil votes in the primary...Bernie got 12mil. I'm sure that there were some misguided Bernie supporters who voted for Trump also. Many of us voted for Hilary because we had no better choice. Maybe if the Dems had supported Bernie,they could have won. He wasn't nearly as easy a target as she was.
 

UncleBuck

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Maybe if the Dems had supported Bernie,they could have won. He wasn't nearly as easy a target as she was.
him and his wife are under FBI investigation for defrauding a bank while bankrupting a college and giving themselves a golden parachute on the way out.

also, "COMMY!".

hillary handled him with kid gloves. the GOP would have buried him.
 
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