The drafting of women: what say you?

Women in the military today are not allowed in the infantry.
Would the drafting of women change that?

I'm sure women don't want to hear this, but I'm totally against them going into any kind of real combat.
(We should run out of men first, before we send over the women and children )
I also disagree with women firefighters and women police officers.
(hell will freeze over before I'll need a 4'11 106lb chick named jenny to save me)
My sister tried to become a cop and she couldn't bench half her own weight...and they still worked with her intill she gave up on the idea all together.(thank god)
So I'm kinda racist, clearly sexist and pro gay rights
having a hard time picking a party, I'am.

The drafting of women is just wrong on so meany levels.

heres the story, if you don't know
Drafting women

Heh... I don't know, they are allowed to enlist themselves, so why would they be exempt? Are we saying they are not as good fighters as men? Or not as smart as men?

from the link...I 100% agree


The news that Jessica Lynch was raped and sodomized by her Iraqi captors underscores just one of the many reasons women don't belong in combat or anywhere near combat.
There's only one way to prevent this tragedy from occurring in the future – and that is to stop the ridiculous, politically correct social engineering that places young women in harm's way in America's military conflicts.
It's time to stop the madness.
It's simply inconceivable that our nation would deliberately subject women to such horrors – and risk the very military objectives for which the women are assigned. In a time of war like this, we should be able to see more clearly than usual that the No. 1 priority for the U.S. military is to defend the country by winning victories on the battlefield, not serving as an equal-opportunity employer.
It's considered unfashionable to make such statements anymore, so I guess I'll have to be the one to say it: Women don't belong on warships, let alone in command of them. Women don't belong in the cockpits of fighter planes and bombers that can be shot down over enemy territory. Women don't belong on the front lines in any military capacity. There, I said it.
I don't say this because I am a male chauvinist. I say it because I treasure and honor women. I have the utmost respect for women – just ask my wife and my five daughters. In fact, it is partially because of that respect that I think it is nothing short of insane to put women at risk on the front lines of war.
But the most important reason to shut down this idea once and for all is because it is counterproductive. If your goal is to win military conflicts, you want to keep women as far from combat as possible.
The Israeli military discovered that men behave differently in firefights when women combatants are at risk. Understandably, men lose perspective on their overall mission when the lives and welfare of women are threatened. Their first priority becomes rescuing the women, rather than winning the battle.
Women are simply not as strong as men. We've seen the standards lowered time and time again when they are introduced into the ranks of the military, [COLOR=blue! important][COLOR=blue! important]police[/COLOR][/COLOR] forces and fire departments. We must decide as a nation whether we want fighting forces that are the best and most effective, or whether we prefer they are co-ed. There is no middle ground.
Doesn't that make sense? But common sense has little to do with the social-engineering campaign to put women on the front lines.
There's another powerful reason women's roles in the military should be limited. There is an incredibly high rate of pregnancy among young women who serve in close ranks with young men. This is not a service to them, the men with whom they associate, nor the wives back home.
It's time to bring back the proud tradition of women in the service as America knew it in World War II with the Women's [COLOR=blue! important][COLOR=blue! important]Army[/COLOR][/COLOR] Corps. More than 150,000 women served with distinction in that war in realistic roles that didn't intentionally place them in high-risk areas or situations. Women aren't missing out on an opportunity by being prevented from entering combat. They need to understand the truth – they are being valued higher than the young men whose blood we spill on the battlefield. They need to understand the obvious – there are real differences between men and women

I was a grunt in the marines and i can tell you there is no way a woman is physically capable of doing that job

I was part of 1st SOCOM (Special Operations Command, a special forces group), and I can tell you, women do a fine job, in combat and out. So yes, draft them if there's a draft. If they get preggers or something, they'd still be greatly useful, as for every 1 combat troop, we need 10 support troops. Not every job requires a 250-pound Marine, and few soldiers ever see any combat at all, even during wartime.

When I joined the Army, I was five foot ten inches, and weighed 100 pounds even. I slouched off two inches, got a doctor's waiver for 5 pounds due to a slight build, and didn't shit for 7 days before my second weigh-in, and that got me to 104.5 pounds, and the dude weighing me gave me a pass on the missing 1.5 pounds -- 106 pounds was the minimum allowed for someone with a doctor's waiver and two inches shorter than me. If I could hack special forces duty, including combat missions, while weighing 100 pounds, there is certainly a place for women.

joe - I actually agree with your main premise that women shouldn't be on the front lines. There are many reasons, and those reasons are often the fault of the men and not the women, but the fact remains that it's not an effective way to engage in combat. Still, I have known many qualified women who have served admirably behind the lines. HOWEVER:

joepro said:

The news that Jessica Lynch was raped and sodomized by her Iraqi captors...

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Where the fuck did that come from? It's not even close to true.

Jessica Lynch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"She reported being treated very well in Iraq, and that one person in the hospital even sang to her to help her feel at home."

Doctor Pot said:

joe - I actually agree with your main premise that women shouldn't be on the front lines. There are many reasons, and those reasons are often the fault of the men and not the women, but the fact remains that it's not an effective way to engage in combat. Still, I have known many qualified women who have served admirably behind the lines. HOWEVER:


Where the fuck did that come from? It's not even close to true.

Jessica Lynch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"She reported being treated very well in Iraq, and that one person in the hospital even sang to her to help her feel at home."

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sorry bro, the lynch story is true. The info was leaked awhile back.
would you want everyone to know that you have been chained upside down and raped?:very comon to hang women upside down in iraq, not sure why tho...nor do I want to know, really.

Bongulator said:

I was part of 1st SOCOM (Special Operations Command, a special forces group), and I can tell you, women do a fine job, in combat and out.

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yea, women can play video games too, duh!



women aren't allowed into special forces.

joepro said:

sorry bro, the lynch story is true. The info was leaked awhile back.
would you want everyone to know that you have been chained upside down and raped?:very comon to hang women upside down in iraq, not sure why tho...nor do I want to know, really.

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Then why can't I find a single source on the internet corroborating your claims, credible or not? The last time Jessica Lynch was in the news was when she was on Extreme Makeover: Home Edition. This "story" of yours isn't even almost believable, for a multitude of reasons.

my 2 cents would be

yes, draft them

but do not draft them into combat situation

heres a situation

studies show the female voice is poven to promote soothing and comfort feelings in the brain,

so if a squad is under fire and say some shit like "we need air support or something" and is responded too with a womans voice ( mind you this is not going to keep them from getting killed or anything ) it will help to calm him down


BUT

since women outnumber men almost 3 to 1,

women SHOULD have the ability to be DRAFTED, its only fair, EQUAL RIGHTS (and drafting is not exactly a right, but)

HOWEVER

Women should have the ability to get drafted and only be placed in non violent, non confrontational, non combat situations, like one guy was saying

support

load the ammo, work the GPS, establish communications

shit like that

edit: the preamble states that all men are created equal, now days any femenist will say

"oh but that means women in our time too"

whats thier argument gonna be against women getting drafted? anything they can hold on too

but hey, in america we like things to be FAIR (at least for us) right?

No, but if you think I only worked with SOCOM people, then you don't understand how the military works. By November 3rd, there were women with us in Grenada. No, they weren't running patrols with us grunts, they weren't in any way a part of the 82nd Airborne's POW camp that they set up beside us. But they were there doing support stuff for the rest of us, and they were shot at, and they reacted just fine.

You can believe whatever you want to believe, but I've been in combat and worked with many fine women. That they weren't assigned to combat units doesn't mean they didn't at least get a glimpse of combat, and there were no problems whatsoever. Well, one woman got sandburn on her knees from giving one of the guys in my unit a blowjob on the beach, but we just thought that was funny. It didn't affect her competence on the job.

Doctor Pot said:

Then why can't I find a single source on the internet corroborating your claims, credible or not? The last time Jessica Lynch was in the news was when she was on Extreme Makeover: Home Edition. This "story" of yours isn't even almost believable, for a multitude of reasons.

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I'm sorry if google doesn't have it. nor is it a lie.
When I google my name, nothing comes up...but here I'am.

wikipedia -Accounts of the events from Lynch's capture to her rescue are incomplete and contradictory, and Lynch herself has no clear recollection of this period. Dr. Greg Argyros, assistant chief of the Department of Medicine at Walter Reed Army Medical Center where Lynch was treated, stated, "[A]nytime anybody goes through a traumatic event of any kind, there is the risk that they may have a period that they don't remember what happened."

Lynch's own story concurs with these accounts, claiming that she was treated humanely, with a nurse even singing to her.[20][21]

Iraqi doctors and nurses later interviewed, including Dr. Harith Al-Houssona, a doctor in the Nasirya hospital, described Lynch's injuries as "a broken arm, a broken thigh, and a dislocated ankle". According to Al-Houssona, there was no sign of gunshot or stab wounds, and Lynch's injuries were consistent with those that would be suffered in a car accident. Al-Houssona's claims were later confirmed in a U.S. Army report leaked on July 10, 2003.[28][29]


The authorized biography, I Am A Soldier Too: The Jessica Lynch Story, by Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Rick Bragg states that Lynch had been raped during her captivity, based on medical records and her pattern of injuries.[30]
However, Lynch has since stated that she does not recall any sexual assault and was "adamantly opposed to including the rape claim in the book", but that Bragg wore her down and told her that "people need to know that this was what can happen to women soldiers."[31

It's been a few years, wish I could give you a link.
but I can't remember what I ate three days ago for dinner.

Ok, so there actually are stories out there proposing that Jessica Lynch was raped. But the evidence is awfully flimsy. In fact, the rape story is based solely on her injuries, which could have just as easily been inflicted by a crashing humvee.

USATODAY.com - Lynch book tells of rape by captors

In the book, author Rick Bragg writes that scars on Lynch's body and medical records indicate she was sodomized, but that Lynch recalls nothing: "Jessi lost three hours. She lost them in the snapping bones, in the crash of the Humvee, in the torment her enemies inflicted on her after she was pulled from it."

He adds, "The records do not tell whether her captors assaulted her almost lifeless, broken body after she was lifted from the wreckage, or if they assaulted her and then broke her bones into splinters until she was almost dead."

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This guy just oozes with sleaze. Jessica Lynch was from a poor background, and this guy promises her millions of dollars if she says she could have been raped and just didn't remember it. Plus, all accounts indicate she is a timid person, and could have easily been intimidated by a high-profile author who wanted to make up a story that would sell books.

There is no corroborating evidence that this actually happened. Nothing at all.

I agree, but do you think that someone like a pulitzer prize winning journalist would risk his skin to embelish such a dreadful story?
remember, she signed off on the book...and then later, claimed the story isn't true when questioned.
believe me, I don't want that to be true and can only hope that it was a lie to sell more books.

No, women shouldn't be drafted. Men shouldn't be drafted either. The only military that makes sense in a truly free country, is an all volunteer military. The nation does not own the citizens, therefore, military service by force doesn't equate. That brings up the issue ... what if we had a war and the government couldn't get enough volunteers to join up? In that case, I'd say the government had entered into the wrong war. In time of war, where the nation is truly threatened, like WWII, there were no shortages of volunteers. Even 15-year-olds tried to join up.

Vi

ViRedd said:

No, women shouldn't be drafted. Men shouldn't be drafted either. The only military that makes sense in a truly free country, is an all volunteer military. The nation does not own the citizens, therefore, military service by force doesn't equate. That brings up the issue ... what if we had a war and the government couldn't get enough volunteers to join up? In that case, I'd say the government had entered into the wrong war.

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Hey, we actually agree here.

In time of war, where the nation is truly threatened, like WWII, there were no shortages of volunteers. Even 15-year-olds tried to join up.

Vi

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True, although something like 75% of soldiers in WWII were drafted. A lot more than in Vietnam actually. Of course, with WWII, we were actually attacked by a foreign country, so that made a huge difference.

fuck that!!! nobody should be drafted!!!

good vired!!!
I have a few relatives that fought in wwII that were 16 at the time, I think its terrible, but they made that decision.

yeah they still had to draft during WW2, there wasn't enough volunteers

ah ha!
were all sexist here.

joepro said:

ah ha!
were all sexist here.

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thats what happens to a boy when he can't keep a woman around , clue if u don.t smell like cat piss girls will talk to u