The "D" day pool, best guess as to when Trump is out

Discussion in 'Politics' started by DIY-HP-LED, Jan 14, 2018.

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    Fogdog

    Fogdog Well-Known Member

    Millions of people will die if we ever get to a civil war. The aged, the infirm and the young will be first to go. We should try other actions first.

    Maybe I'm being narrow minded but I'd rather not see my mom and kids die.
     
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    Sir Napsalot

    Sir Napsalot Well-Known Member

    Killjoy
     
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    greg nr

    greg nr Well-Known Member

    Those 70 you are referring to aren't sealed indictments. Muehler requested 70 blank subpoena forms from the judge in the mannafort trial. He requires two per individual he is subpoena'ing. So he is going to call up to 35 witnesses.

    There are rumored secret indictments, which are only guesses based on case id numbers on the federal docket in specific jurisdictions. You can see that an indictment exists, and is sealed, but not any more than the docket number and date issued. You can't even see the judge involved.

    Nobody but muehlers team know for sure if they have sealed indictments, or how many.

    But the 70 number above aren't indictments.

    Of course there will be charges filed, unless trump completely shuts the investigation down, which unfortunately he does have the power to do.
     
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    greg nr

    greg nr Well-Known Member

    Unfortunately, they keep breeding new despicable's. And with charter and home schooling, more and more of them make to adulthood with rotten values.
     
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    Fogdog

    Fogdog Well-Known Member

    Look To California For The Future Of Politics, Demographer Says
    https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/6020...a-for-the-future-of-politics-demographer-says

    RUY TEIXEIRA: Yeah. Well, I mean, people obviously associate California now with being a deep-blue state, which it is, but that was not always the case. The worm started turning in terms of presidential elections earlier. But if you look at the 1990s in California, that's an era of populist revolt, a revolt against bilingual education, against services for immigrants. I mean, Pete Wilson sort of put down his bet that, in fact, the best way for the Republicans forward in California is to whip up anti-immigrant sentiment...

    INSKEEP: So wait a minute. Are you telling me that Republicans in California went way out on a limb on immigration, populism and electing a celebrity, and they destroyed themselves?

    TEIXEIRA: That is exactly what happened. Our view is that the Republicans in the United States as a whole are pursuing the same course. They're doubling down in being against immigrants. They do have a populist celebrity as president. They're cutting taxes for zillionaires. They're attacking environmental regulations, denying that even global warming is an issue. I mean, all these things that seemed to be - and, in fact, are antithetical to the way the country is going, it probably needs to go and where California has already been.


    The basis of Texiera's argument is that Republicans represent a Demographic that is in decline -- not going away -- but declining over time. The demographic shift nationwide lags California by about 15 years. We are seeing nearly the same in the US as what was seen in California about 15 years ago.
     
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    greg nr

    greg nr Well-Known Member

    And TX is going purple. But I wasn't referring to republicans, I was referring to despicable's. They don't seem to be aging out of the population. They seem to move from host to host and never really go away; not unlike std's like gonorrhea.
     
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    Sour Wreck

    Sour Wreck Well-Known Member

    home schooling, tribalism and religious dominionism... they are teaching this shit...
     
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    Fogdog

    Fogdog Well-Known Member

    I'm OK with despicables so long as they vote for capable liberal politicians, obey laws and regulations, don't shoot up schools and don't commit hate crimes..
     
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    greg nr

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    And I'm ok with unprotected sex with a leper, as long as they don't have any germs that could infect me. ;)
     
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    Fogdog

    Fogdog Well-Known Member

    What did the leper say the the prostitute?

    Keep the tip.
     
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    DIY-HP-LED

    DIY-HP-LED Well-Known Member

    One way or another Mueller's findings on on obstruction of justice, election law violations, money laundering, tax evasion, fraud and conspiracy with russia will be released to the public before the next election. Mueller or Rosenstein or anybody in the investigation can go to capitol hill as a whistle blower and spill it all to any (democrat) senator or congressman, they'd never see a day in jail. The GOP leadership is just waiting for the shoe to drop during election season, primary season is over and Donald is always creating new crises and reasons to impeach him.

    I figure the rest of the western allies including Canada are gonna get together and impose counter sanctions on the USA over the Iran deal, it's gonna hurt like HELL and breakup the western alliance, just like Putin wants. Putin wouldn't mind the breakup of the USA either and talk of it is playing right into the russians hands, solve your problems, make "a more perfect union". Roughly 30% of any population are trumper like, but history, hate and fear can increase that percentage, reduce fear and hate and you''ll go a long way towards the kind of country you want. That means two things, get reasonable gun laws, human rights laws and hate speech laws. Remove money from politics and make political corruption and bribery laws as easy to prove as a cannabis conspiracy case, where they seize your assets before a day in court. If they can do it for pot, ya can do it for political bribery and corruption...
     
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    Sour Wreck

    Sour Wreck Well-Known Member


    a civil war eliminating trumptards sounds more and more reasonable to me all the time.
     
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    Sir Napsalot

    Sir Napsalot Well-Known Member

    I used to think that eventually all the old squares would die and the country would be reborn

    I was wrong because I'm an idealist
     
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    UncleBuck

    UncleBuck Well-Known Member

    we've got neo-nazi and alt-right hate groups taking advantage of the increased rates of depression that the trump regime has caused literally recruiting vulnerable young folks (mostly guys who can't get laid) from depression help forums and the like

    it's quite the hustle they have going
     
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    greg nr

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    Well, since trump has a for sale sign out, maybe we shoukld pool some money and f*** over the racists and evangelicals. Maybe we can get him to save lgbtq jobs in america, or ban guns to anyone with a red hat, or take away tax free status from mega churches that exist only to pamper their senior staffers and leaders.

    I wonder what that would cost?
     
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    greg nr

    greg nr Well-Known Member

    The problem with civil wars is that there are no winners, except for the external enemies of your country. And what makes you think we would win?

    If the armed forces splits allegiances, all bets are off. And unfortunately for us, fascists tend to consolidate power quickly. We will be arguing over bernie as the tanks roll into the cities. Fox and the corporate media will be covering the royal wedding and the latest hot teacher having sex with a student.

    Look at the results to the population in any modern civil war. Syria is a good recent example. You can't even find one building standing intact in major cities. Tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dead from attacks. Many more displaced. Many more die as the result of malnutrition and illness.

    The military remains loyal to the dictator. Even though they are killimg their own countrymen/woman/children. Morality dies quickly.

    We need to win this battle before bullets fly, because I suspect we will be on the pointy end when they do.
     
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    Sour Wreck

    Sour Wreck Well-Known Member


    if some of the military side with trump supporters they will pay with lives...
     
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    greg nr

    greg nr Well-Known Member

    The military has been infiltrated with white supremacists, evangelicals and racists. This has been going on for years. It's been made possible by the elimination of the draft.

    Sure, a lot of young men and woman join the military for noble reasons. Then the first thing the military does is destroy their free will and defines success as a soldier who follows orders. But others have different motives. If you enter the military with a political purpose, that isn't erased. It can sit undetected for years. In the meantime you advance in rank and responsibility, gathering those who think as you do around you.

    Yes, elements of the military will be loyal to whatever white fascist is around during times of internal conflict. If not the military as a whole refusing to aid the people, while propping up the regime.

    And then there will be the paramilitary thugs. These pop up alongside most fascist dictators. They do the dirty work off the books. Disappearances, torture, kidnappings, theft, etc. All allowed to occur by a corrupt and illegitimate regime. While at the same time those they oppress will be targeted for official sanctions and legal actions.

    Don't look forward to this. History is clear on what will happen. It won't be pretty for either side.
     
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    Sour Wreck

    Sour Wreck Well-Known Member

    time to go ninja on their asses. i am already becoming an anarchist. time to get armed...
     
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    DIY-HP-LED

    DIY-HP-LED Well-Known Member

    America has a long way to go before descending into civil war 2, though Trump helps tremendously. You are nowhere near to exhausting all other legal and political possibilities, if the GOP does not pay a heavy price at the polls in november for their malfeasance, corruption and betrayal of their oaths to the constitution, then I'd say the country is finished. If the democrats don't sweep the house and take control of the senate the future of the nation would be in doubt because of a stunning level of poor judgement on the part of the population. How bad do they and Trump have to be before people start jumping ship? Look for a rare thing in modern American politics in november, a landslide, the GOP picked up over 60 seats in 2010 over essentially nothing, compared to what is going on now. I believe many elephants will die even in the deep south, this time around the bullshit can't cover the concerns of the public.

    Wait until they steal the election or Trump tries to nullify the results etc before taking action, when the lawyers hit the streets and when upstanding citizens who you respect agree, the time will have come. Everybody knows how this farce of a presidency will HAVE TO END, it's just a question of WHEN IT WILL END, the how is by impeachment and the GOP is gonna have to take a knife to the fucker before the election if they wanna come out the other side as one party and not two.

    The shit continues to pile up on Trump and the GOP daily and the rate will increase, if the GOP doesn't impeach Trump, the lifers in the FBI and DOJ are gonna fuck them so bad in november they'll have to grow new assholes. It's gonna look as bad as it possibly can for them during the election, lot's of people are gonna make sure of that.
     
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