The cracks are showing - Qanon believer mouthed the words

DaFreak

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Was at a friends house the other day. Big Qanon believer. Over the past year or so we have been debating reality. Most times I just feel depleted talking with him about it. Just trying to sow seeds of doubt by introducing some critical thinking. "So you believe they are so inept that they would hire a ex-addict wife beating criminal history guy to drive these ballots which could get them hanged to drive that truck full of illegal ballots?" type of questions. Anyway, he had all of these prints of this artist up, paid some pretty good money for them as well. I mentioned they reminded me of North Korean propaganda. Of course he was like, "What do you mean? There's a USA flag in it." But he actually said

"If this is all bullshit, I am going to be super pissed because it means he's full of shit."

A month ago, he would never have even been able to vocalize that. Giving me some hope.

On a side note, this artist's work is worth looking up. He dumbs down every issue and paints the glorious leader in heroic poses. I am told he is very popular at the Trump rallies. I think he probably worked a boardwalk someplace doing couple portraits.
 

Justin-case

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Was at a friends house the other day. Big Qanon believer. Over the past year or so we have been debating reality. Most times I just feel depleted talking with him about it. Just trying to sow seeds of doubt by introducing some critical thinking. "So you believe they are so inept that they would hire a ex-addict wife beating criminal history guy to drive these ballots which could get them hanged to drive that truck full of illegal ballots?" type of questions. Anyway, he had all of these prints of this artist up, paid some pretty good money for them as well. I mentioned they reminded me of North Korean propaganda. Of course he was like, "What do you mean? There's a USA flag in it." But he actually said

"If this is all bullshit, I am going to be super pissed because it means he's full of shit."

A month ago, he would never have even been able to vocalize that. Giving me some hope.

On a side note, this artist's work is worth looking up. He dumbs down every issue and paints the glorious leader in heroic poses. I am told he is very popular at the Trump rallies. I think he probably worked a boardwalk someplace doing couple portraits.
Wouldn't waste my time, even if he gives up this conspiracy, he will quickly adopt another. Your friend is a hopeless charity case. Life is too short to give personal attention to delusional social rejects.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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How culturally deprived must one be to have to "look up" Ben Garrison cartoons? :?
Cartoon selection aside, it does indicate hope over time, the next election is 2022 and over time perhaps some of Trump's soft support can be whittled away. It takes time to decondition people, but more importantly it is easier to condition younger people and that's what we are seeing media do over the long run. Notice the commercials in the past few years have a lot of interracial and gay couples? That conditions people and normalizes these relationships and people, it's one reason they hate "Hollywood" and the costal elites living the good life in commercials. There is an ongoing struggle for hearts and minds and this is part of it, the liberal side is not passive either.

Over the next couple of years as the investigations unfold and people have a chance to unwind in less stressful conditions, the republicans will drop in the polls, perhaps not a lot, but enough. Media and FCC reform along with a beefed up H.R.-1 will level the playing field a bit more and stifle disinformation. 20% of Trump voters say Biden won, this is Joe's target and if you can knock them down by 10 or 20%, 2022 looks good.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Wouldn't waste my time, even if he gives up this conspiracy, he will quickly adopt another. Your friend is a hopeless charity case. Life is too short to give personal attention to delusional social rejects.
One heart and mind at a time is how ya win, it will take a bit of time for the impact of the Capital sacking to sink in. If they try to defend or support it or Trump in public, I don't think it would go well in many places and might cause fights in others. I'm sure many are getting a hard time from relatives, friends and family, at the same time they are starting to lose their social support network and then their disinformation network will follow later. This will make them more socially isolated over time, the main thing is to break them into smaller groups, regular republicans from, Trumpers, and Christians from Qanons etc. Target the funding of the extremist elements like the Lincoln project is doing, corps and big donors will run away from them like they are on fire.

During WW2 Churchill made friends and Hitler made enemies, Churchill won.
 

Justin-case

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One heart and mind at a time is how ya win, it will take a bit of time for the impact of the Capital sacking to sink in. If they try to defend or support it or Trump in public, I don't think it would go well in many places and might cause fights in others. I'm sure many are getting a hard time from relatives, friends and family, at the same time they are starting to lose their social support network and then their disinformation network will follow later. This will make them more socially isolated over time, the main thing is to break them into smaller groups, regular republicans from, Trumpers, and Christians from Qanons etc. Target the funding of the extremist elements like the Lincoln project is doing, corps and big donors will run away from them like they are on fire.

During WW2 Churchill made friends and Hitler made enemies, Churchill won.
If they haven't figured out trump is a con artist by now it's hopeless. The rest are literal Nazis, thieves, rapists, liars, narcissists, dog kickers, obstructionists, vandals, terrorists... you know, the deplorable.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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If they haven't figured out trump is a con artist by now it's hopeless. The rest are literal Nazis, thieves, rapists, liars, narcissists, dog kickers, obstructionists, vandals, terrorists... you know, the deplorable.
33% of any population are complete arseholes, but you seem to have about 43%, 10% above the norm for retards and assholes! Even Hitler never got more than 33% of the vote FFS and compared to Der Furhur, Der Drumpf is a loser with no brain and no plan! The Dumb cunt should have spent a few bucks and bought them brown shirts or something, hired a Himmler to organize them etc. :lol:
 

Fogdog

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He said "IF this is all bullshit". What does that count as? 1/4 the way to seeing what actually happened? 1/4 the way to shifting from "for" to "opposed"? How much progress is this?

74,223,744 - 0.25 = 74,223,744
 

DaFreak

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Well I can only do what I can do, which is try to de-radicalize this one young man who is in my orbit. Good guy, just very gullible and filled with nonsense. And I’m not saying look up that character artist for the culture, god forbid, just to see what these people are thinking. I always think it’s good to try to understand. Propaganda is done through, cartoons, comics and bad art.
 

zeddd

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Well I can only do what I can do, which is try to de-radicalize this one young man who is in my orbit. Good guy, just very gullible and filled with nonsense. And I’m not saying look up that character artist for the culture, god forbid, just to see what these people are thinking. I always think it’s good to try to understand. Propaganda is done through, cartoons, comics and bad art.
Flush him like a turd
 

Fogdog

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Well I can only do what I can do, which is try to de-radicalize this one young man who is in my orbit. Good guy, just very gullible and filled with nonsense. And I’m not saying look up that character artist for the culture, god forbid, just to see what these people are thinking. I always think it’s good to try to understand. Propaganda is done through, cartoons, comics and bad art.
Not criticizing.

It might even save that man and I see nothing wrong with that.

What do you want? A pat on the head? It's not an answer to the problem that right wing authoritarians present. 74 million minus 1 is still 74 million. What bothers me is this idea that victims of racism are denied and white supremacists must be loved and their egos caressed. It's a sickening double standard.
 

Fogdog

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I’m just saying that cracks are showing
5% of Republicans say they disapproved of what Trump did. 80% to 90% of Republicans say they approved of what Trump did.

Republicans and even many conservatives who do not approve of Trump are all trying to paint this picture that what happened on Jan 6 "is not us". Well, it is. About half of this country voted for Trump and his support from them has not wavered throughout. Trump tried to overthrow an election that he lost when the Republican Party held all the good cards from a stacked deck. He raised a mob and sent it at Congress to overturn the election and have his political enemies murdered. Republicans still support this. Your friend still supports Trump. I would suggest that the crack you see is one of those unimportant ones that is only a minor cosmetic one and represents less than 0.0000002% of the foundation.

I'm glad for the young man. I just don't see much of a sea change going on with the party right now. Especially when there are Republican traitors in Congress and the Republican Party is doing nothing about them. Dead silence on that.
 

printer

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Posted this in another thread but thought if would be more appropriate here.
Are there that many who are brainwashed?

Trump's Christian supporters and the march on the Capitol
Before the march on the US Capitol began last Wednesday, some knelt to pray.
Thousands had come to the seat of power for a "Save America" rally organised to challenge the election result. Mr Trump addressed the crowd near the White House, calling on them to march on Congress where politicians were gathered to certify President-elect Joe Biden's win. For some Christians, seeing religious symbols alongside Confederate flags was shocking. But for others, Mr Trump is their saviour - someone who was "defending Christians from secularists" as Franklin Graham, son of the late evangelist Billy Graham, told the BBC.

The day before the rally, a throng of fervent religious supporters of President Trump held a "Jericho March" in Washington. Brandishing crosses and singing Christian hymns, they marched around the Capitol re-enacting the biblical story of when the Israelites besieged the enemy city of Jericho.
The imagery on display was revealing of not just the racial and political divides in America, but the religious divides as well.
Exit polls suggest that in 2020, like in 2016, around four-fifths of white evangelicals - who make up a quarter of the American electorate - backed the Republican president.

Ever since white evangelicals became a political force in the late 1970s, they have campaigned against access to abortions, sought to bolster religious liberty laws, and encouraged support for the state of Israel. In all these areas the Trump administration has delivered: limiting government funds for groups supporting abortions, appointing more than 200 conservative judges to federal courts and three to the US Supreme Court, and moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem - a long held desire among some white evangelicals. They admit Mr Trump has flaws. In the words of one of his most loyal supporters, Texas megachurch leader Robert Jeffress, the president is "no altar boy". "He doesn't pretend to be overly pious," Mr Jeffress told me before the election. "But that's not why evangelicals turned out for him. It wasn't for his personal piety. It was for his public policies."

'Christian nationalism' in the US
But aside from specific campaign issues, some academics say "Christian nationalism" was behind much of the religious support for Mr Trump's campaign. They say Christian nationalism merges Christian identity with national identity: to be American is to be Christian. Proponents believe that America's success depends on its adherence to conservative Christian positions and warn, in Mr Trump's words, of "an assault on Christianity" from political opponents. "Voting for Trump was, at least for many Americans, a symbolic defence of the United States' perceived Christian heritage," the sociologist Andrew Whitehead wrote in a paper analysing the support for the president. Academics such as Mr Whitehead and Philip Gorski, professor of sociology at Yale University, argue that throughout his presidency, Mr Trump explicitly played to Christian nationalist ideas by repeating the claim that the United States is abdicating its Christian heritage.

He promised "to protect Christianity" and for many supporters his campaign slogan "Make America Great Again" could have been synonymous with "Make America Christian Again". At a rally in Ohio last year he warned a Biden presidency would mean "no religion, no anything".
"Hurt the Bible, hurt God. He's against God, he's against guns," he claimed.

But American Christianity is divided. The Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church of the US, the Most Reverend Michael Curry, described the riots as a "coup attempt" and "deeply disturbing". The Episcopal Bishop of Washington, the Right Reverend Mariann Budde, said the religious symbols on display were "the most heretical, blasphemous forms of Christianity". "This has been part of our nativist, racist Christian past from the beginning," she told the Sunday programme on BBC Radio 4. "What has been different in the Trump presidency has been the legitimisation of it."

But many Christians, including some of Mr Biden's fellow Catholics, refuse to see him as a "real" Christian because of his support for abortion access and for LGBT rights.

There is little evidence in the reactions of many evangelical leaders to last week's riots that they are abandoning Mr Trump. Some, like the prominent evangelical writer and radio host Eric Metaxas, have promoted false conspiracy theories that it was the loose-knit left-wing antifa activists masquerading as Trump supporters who led the riot.

"Nothing that President Trump has done in the last four years has deterred white evangelical support at all."

www.bbc.com

Trump's Christian supporters and the march on the Capitol
Christian supporters of President Trump were among the thousands who descended on Washington.
www.bbc.com
 

topcat

Well-Known Member
Flush him like a turd
Flush 10 to 15 times.
Posted this in another thread but thought if would be more appropriate here.
Are there that many who are brainwashed?

Trump's Christian supporters and the march on the Capitol
Before the march on the US Capitol began last Wednesday, some knelt to pray.
Thousands had come to the seat of power for a "Save America" rally organised to challenge the election result. Mr Trump addressed the crowd near the White House, calling on them to march on Congress where politicians were gathered to certify President-elect Joe Biden's win. For some Christians, seeing religious symbols alongside Confederate flags was shocking. But for others, Mr Trump is their saviour - someone who was "defending Christians from secularists" as Franklin Graham, son of the late evangelist Billy Graham, told the BBC.

The day before the rally, a throng of fervent religious supporters of President Trump held a "Jericho March" in Washington. Brandishing crosses and singing Christian hymns, they marched around the Capitol re-enacting the biblical story of when the Israelites besieged the enemy city of Jericho.
The imagery on display was revealing of not just the racial and political divides in America, but the religious divides as well.
Exit polls suggest that in 2020, like in 2016, around four-fifths of white evangelicals - who make up a quarter of the American electorate - backed the Republican president.

Ever since white evangelicals became a political force in the late 1970s, they have campaigned against access to abortions, sought to bolster religious liberty laws, and encouraged support for the state of Israel. In all these areas the Trump administration has delivered: limiting government funds for groups supporting abortions, appointing more than 200 conservative judges to federal courts and three to the US Supreme Court, and moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem - a long held desire among some white evangelicals. They admit Mr Trump has flaws. In the words of one of his most loyal supporters, Texas megachurch leader Robert Jeffress, the president is "no altar boy". "He doesn't pretend to be overly pious," Mr Jeffress told me before the election. "But that's not why evangelicals turned out for him. It wasn't for his personal piety. It was for his public policies."

'Christian nationalism' in the US
But aside from specific campaign issues, some academics say "Christian nationalism" was behind much of the religious support for Mr Trump's campaign. They say Christian nationalism merges Christian identity with national identity: to be American is to be Christian. Proponents believe that America's success depends on its adherence to conservative Christian positions and warn, in Mr Trump's words, of "an assault on Christianity" from political opponents. "Voting for Trump was, at least for many Americans, a symbolic defence of the United States' perceived Christian heritage," the sociologist Andrew Whitehead wrote in a paper analysing the support for the president. Academics such as Mr Whitehead and Philip Gorski, professor of sociology at Yale University, argue that throughout his presidency, Mr Trump explicitly played to Christian nationalist ideas by repeating the claim that the United States is abdicating its Christian heritage.

He promised "to protect Christianity" and for many supporters his campaign slogan "Make America Great Again" could have been synonymous with "Make America Christian Again". At a rally in Ohio last year he warned a Biden presidency would mean "no religion, no anything".
"Hurt the Bible, hurt God. He's against God, he's against guns," he claimed.

But American Christianity is divided. The Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church of the US, the Most Reverend Michael Curry, described the riots as a "coup attempt" and "deeply disturbing". The Episcopal Bishop of Washington, the Right Reverend Mariann Budde, said the religious symbols on display were "the most heretical, blasphemous forms of Christianity". "This has been part of our nativist, racist Christian past from the beginning," she told the Sunday programme on BBC Radio 4. "What has been different in the Trump presidency has been the legitimisation of it."

But many Christians, including some of Mr Biden's fellow Catholics, refuse to see him as a "real" Christian because of his support for abortion access and for LGBT rights.

There is little evidence in the reactions of many evangelical leaders to last week's riots that they are abandoning Mr Trump. Some, like the prominent evangelical writer and radio host Eric Metaxas, have promoted false conspiracy theories that it was the loose-knit left-wing antifa activists masquerading as Trump supporters who led the riot.

"Nothing that President Trump has done in the last four years has deterred white evangelical support at all."

www.bbc.com

Trump's Christian supporters and the march on the Capitol
Christian supporters of President Trump were among the thousands who descended on Washington.
www.bbc.com
 
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