The Choice I Never Made...

beardo said:

I think it actually says they shall make no law prohibiting religious expression or practices which I think would allow people to practice their religion.

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I believe it also says not respecting an establishment of religion as well. And what you may not understand that it was to keep one religion from being dominant and holding absolute influence over the congressional body that made the laws. Allowing the freedom to practice many religions. Therefore preventing one religion from dictating the laws of the land. That was its true purpose of intent. I'm not that savvy with all aspects of the constitution but I did pick that up on cspan from a constitution historian.

And if you say all religions are at war with each other then essentially you're saying your country has waged war on itself.

Oh, my bad bro! Im glad that we cool!

I also do not hold any grudges... I find them to be a waste of time

Heisenberg said:

No Oly I was simply agreeing with you and telling a story of my own. I do not hold grudges.

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beardo said:

Yes you are trying to plant doubt where their can be none.
What you call a sick fuck I call a follower of God. Gods work must be done. If they are not with God they are with Satan.

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*takes step back* I hope your not taking that war too literally...would not want you to go militant.

thank you for your kind words Braz, i really appreciate them... I think i over reacted back there and let my temper get the best of me... i know that was not smart of me to do and that is not the type of person i am. I am one of the coolest person you can hang out and chill with... I love to smoke my medicine and i find nothing wrong with it... it comes from the earth and is not man made, it is as natural as it gets...

I find it a blessing to be able to be around such intelligent minds and be able to exchange thoughts and opinions. the replies that you all post sometimes amaze me at how you all can breakdown the smallest of details... i find that pretty cool and wish to continue having great discussions with all of you...


On another note, i was able to smoke some sour diesel and man, did it taste and hit amazing... I suffer from severe upper back spasms and that sucker knocked all that out and took the pain away... the taste was really fruity, kinda like fruity pebbles and it lasted for about 20 minutes after the last hit... I smoked some cindy 99 and bad girl really put out, couch lock and im pretty medicated right now...

So, thanks guys and i really appreciate your help and support..

keep it token

Brazko said:

Enviromental Change? I think so and you are the one responsible.

If more Christians had a mindset like yours, to evolve past their fears, the face of Christianity would have a better ground to stand on in the public's eyes. You confronted them and found out that there was nothing to fear at all.

I'm proud of you Oly.

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beardo said:

Yes you are trying to plant doubt where their can be none.
What you call a sick fuck I call a follower of God. Gods work must be done. If they are not with God they are with Satan.

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Sorry dude, when you use the same sort of rhetoric that the 9/11 terrorists use, I think you are considered a sick fuck by a lot of people, Xians included. Most people do not want others to convert at the point of a gun, which is exactly what you are suggesting.

So tell me, why haven't you started killing non-believers yet considering this position you have taken? Any chance that you're scared you would be wrong and the life you take is actually innocent and not working with Satan? You talk a big game but you are acting like a troll. You're an idiot either way.

I think he is trolling, i see his posts on other threads and they are completely coherent, while the posts on here seem rather spontaneous and baffling!

mindphuk said:

Sorry dude, when you use the same sort of rhetoric that the 9/11 terrorists use, I think you are considered a sick fuck by a lot of people, Xians included. Most people do not want others to convert at the point of a gun, which is exactly what you are suggesting.

and that made me laugh!!!


So tell me, why haven't you started killing non-believers yet considering this position you have taken? Any chance that you're scared you would be wrong and the life you take is actually innocent and not working with Satan? You talk a big game but you are acting like a troll. You're an idiot either way.

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olylifter420 said:

Ok Gi, what is the worst thing youve seen on the internet?

anyone else?

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even tho its just a movie i would have to say "A Serbian Film" and no you really really do not want to watch (even if you think you do)

i've watched the 3 guys 1 hammer before and i struggled to watch the whole way thru. the worst bit of that was watching him drift in and out of consciousness as they werebeating/ stabbing him

someone mentioned saw/ hostel earlier on they're actually on the pretty tame side compared to some of the newer ones

i'd recomened these 2 films very good although i dont think i'll ever sit thru them again

inside
martyrs
but again you DO NOT WANT TO WATCH SERBIAN FILM

olylifter420 said:

I think he is trolling, i see his posts on other threads and they are completely coherent, while the posts on here seem rather spontaneous and baffling!

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unfortunatly in this case i think its the true beardo speaking.people ask whats the harm in relgion and my answer is the rest of us have to live alonside people who can justify their hatred for they world by their idea of "word of god"

beardo said:

Maybe so but it is in the bible- Basicly it is saying anyone who doesn't worship the true God and his follow his word has commited a capital crime.- Their is a war among religions with one another and also with aetheists and their can only be one victor.

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beardo said:

Yes you are trying to plant doubt where their can be none.
What you call a sick fuck I call a follower of God. Gods work must be done. If they are not with God they are with Satan.

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And this is why I despise religion.

beardo said:

Yes you are trying to plant doubt where their can be none.
What you call a sick fuck I call a follower of God. Gods work must be done. If they are not with God they are with Satan.

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I work with and speak to god all the time. Here's what he looks like - I have this statue on one of my altars.
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karri0n said:

H,

Do you choose not to believe in gods? What is it that makes it a choice(or not)?

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I suppose it depends on the context of the word. Someone like beardo seems to choose god in the face of undeniable contractions to his reasons, but maybe that only reflects his choice of debate tactics. I think that ultimately it is impossible to believe in something without first being convinced, and once convinced, it is impossible not to believe, unless unconvinced. What someone finds convincing is completely subjective, so I guess the question becomes can a person choose what they find convincing. That is something I would have to think more about. I can influence what I accept as evidence by identifying errors and choose to reject it, but once sufficient evidence is presented, I would seem to have no choice but to accept it. I think where many religious people fail is when they choose not to examine why they believe. As I tell people, if you subject your beliefs to doubt, and still believe anyway, I respect your beliefs even if I feel they are in error. I might not respect your methods, but ultimately I feel you are under no obligation to change what you think. If you have not properly examined your beliefs, I see no reason that they should be worthy of respect. Some people come to a conclusion and then refuse to examine any new evidence. In this case the choice is to ignore. So while I am not sure belief itself is a choice, it seems we can make many choices which ultimately influence what we believe.

Heisenberg said:

I suppose it depends on the context of the word. Someone like beardo seems to choose god in the face of undeniable contractions to his reasons, but maybe that only reflects his choice of debate tactics. I think that ultimately it is impossible to believe in something without first being convinced, and once convinced, it is impossible not to believe, unless unconvinced. What someone finds convincing is completely subjective, so I guess the question becomes can a person choose what they find convincing. That is something I would have to think more about. I can influence what I accept as evidence by identifying errors and choose to reject it, but once sufficient evidence is presented, I would seem to have no choice but to accept it. I think where many religious people fail is when they choose not to examine why they believe. As I tell people, if you subject your beliefs to doubt, and still believe anyway, I respect your beliefs even if I feel they are in error. If you have not examined your beliefs, I see no reason that they should be worthy of respect. Some people come to a conclusion and then refuse to examine any new evidence. In this case the choice is to ignore. While I am not sure belief itself is a choice, it seems we can make many choices which ultimately influence what we believe.

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This is very similar to my conclusions when I examined the question. It goes much deeper than I originally assumed, which I discovered when attempting to answer the question. A choice must take place at some point along the chain, but when? I don't feel that I could choose to accept a piece of data as convincing or not convincing - it would just be one or the other.

While it might seem that people like beardo choose to ignore any contrary evidence, I'm not so certain that this is even a choice. The mechanism of belief is simply not allowing the data to make any change. It is automatically categorized as incorrect, irrelevant, or otherwise invalid.

I sincerely hope we can finally get a good discussion going on this and stop wandering off topic.

mindphuk said:

So tell me, why haven't you started killing non-believers yet considering this position you have taken?

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I do pay my taxes.

First you said this:

olylifter420 said:

You fucking atheists are so fucking retarded.

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And then you said this:

olylifter420 said:

I for one jackass, understand and have seen the fucking evidence for evolution, but i choose not to accept it because i believe in God and the bible...

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What's the matter with you?

Gary Busey said:

First you said this:


And then you said this:


What's the matter with you?

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Gary Busey? I met your daughter.

Did she have big ass teeth like I do?

beardo said:

Gary Busey? I met your daughter.

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Gary Busey said:

Did she have big ass teeth like I do?

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Cool so your not really Gary,
No she's young chick, no problem with teeth but face kind of shape as her dads with strong jaw but not in a bad way-Off topic just didn't know if you were Gary if so I was going to tell you you might try to keep your kid in a shorter leash.

Not the real Busey, just couldn't think of a screen name, and that's the first thing that came to mind. And I have been a fan of Busey since the early 80s.

beardo said:

Cool so your not really Gary,
No she's young chick, no problem with teeth but face kind of shape as her dads with strong jaw but not in a bad way-Off topic just didn't know if you were Gary if so I was going to tell you you might try to keep your kid in a shorter leash.

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karri0n said:

This is very similar to my conclusions when I examined the question. It goes much deeper than I originally assumed, which I discovered when attempting to answer the question. A choice must take place at some point along the chain, but when? I don't feel that I could choose to accept a piece of data as convincing or not convincing - it would just be one or the other.

While it might seem that people like beardo choose to ignore any contrary evidence, I'm not so certain that this is even a choice. The mechanism of belief is simply not allowing the data to make any change. It is automatically categorized as incorrect, irrelevant, or otherwise invalid.

I sincerely hope we can finally get a good discussion going on this and stop wandering off topic.

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As Heis put it and how you have deciphered it is how I feel about God in context. I have never been convinced of the Biblical God but I have always understood God to measuring degrees throughout my life in the context of Nature and Universal Law/Happening. As I discovered more evidence in regards of the Biblical God, I came to an unequivocal assuredness that this was not God. It didn't change my belief because it was never my belief before. It was and still is a general understanding I have/know how people relate to Nature and Universal Law/Happenings as a whole. The difference in me knowing is that I know and understand to seperate the dogma associated with it.

When I look at science, it confirms my belief even more because what I observe through my natural senses, science confirms on a micro/macro level the same processes taking place.

When I say I believe in Santa Claus, its not believing in Rudolph Santa. Its me being able to understand the concept of being Santa Claus. Therefore, I believe in Santa Claus. I can also differentiate the difference when speaking to a child or Adult the context of their belief in Santa because I'm able to differentiate the child's belief vs the Adults belief.

Even as a young adult when I would pray, I would try to invision a being up there looking down. It just never processed for me because it didn't relate cohesively to the way the world appeared to me or how the context of belief appeared to me. I began to understand the contexts of belief and how they related to natural occuring events. So when I believe in something it's usaully because I have been able to discern the difference in reality and contextual belief. Because I comprehend I will say I believe because I understand.

Does that make any sense?

edit: also I have no specific pic of my God, but I still know your god (I thinks anyway)

for some reason, ive always envisioned god looking like gumby. i have no idea why lol
here he is with pegasus