The Atheist Experience

olylifter420 said:

I believe that most atheists are more concerned about what religion does rather then what they themselves are doing.

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You are welcome to believe whatever you want but that does not make it true.

What does it say about character when you always change beliefs? What does it say about your character when you dont question what you hold true?

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I'll answer the second question first. I think if you don't question what you hold true, you are likely holding beliefs that are untrue. Your character could be described as credulous and dogmatic.
For the first question, I guess it would depend on why you change your beliefs. If you merely jump to various beliefs as you hear new ones that merely sound interesting, as I have seen many followers of pseudoscience and new-age weirdness do, then you likewise can be labeled credulous. However, if you only hold beliefs because empirical evidence supports it and only change when new and better evidence is presented, then I would label your character as a rational skeptic.

ginjawarrior said:

how much randomness in one post? comdoms, god, social disease what are you smoking?

any way everyone knows that god hates condoms its bareback no lube hardstyle for him

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Nothing random in it at all......it's called a "metaphor", and I thought, given that atheists are thinking people, you would know that?

sworth said:

Nothing random in it at all......it's called a "metaphor", and I thought, given that atheists are thinking people, you would know that?

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i'm fully aware of what metaphors are... that doesnt stop what ever you posted being random to the point of obtuseness

if you got something insulting to say dont beat around the bush with metaphors find strength in your "faith" and let rip

olylifter420 said:

I believe that most atheists are more concerned about what religion does rather then what they themselves are doing.

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Unfortunately, we have to be concerned with what religion does because it has such a strong hold over the lives we live. When religion threatens to teach children creationism in public schools instead of evolution it BECOMES our problem. It's hard to not care about something when it's being force fed down our (and our kids) throats! What about unfair tax incentives? What about people trying to make biblical law ACTUAL law? How can you honestly expect people to accept values they detest? Christianity is constantly shoved down everyone's throat, willing or not..... but I guess that has always been the Christian way..... no pun intended.

What does it say about character when you always change beliefs? What does it say about your character when you dont question what you hold true?

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If you change your beliefs based on evidence, you've moved closer to holding true beliefs. If you change your beliefs based on emotion, or faith - you're unable to show you are moving closer to holding true beliefs, and should probably re-evaluate your belief system.

olylifter420 said:

I feel you hep, this subforum reaks of bullshit now that atheists have taken over. They never listen tio a single word anyone says if they aint atheist and always suck each other off,.very biased and inconsiderate, always complaining about stupid shit that aint true.. This subforum sucks and too dont know why i re posted.

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i think the reason you no longer want to post in here is ,cause we have exhausted your continual bullshit , and owned you on everything , and you just cant admit your wrong so instead of , thinking for yourself ,and admitting your beliefs are wrong you will run away and bury your head further in the sand .
its quite typical of religious people to do this when all there points they based there beliefs in have been interlectualy flawed.

i dont believe in it

False facts are highly injurious to the progress of science, for they often endure long; but false views, if supported by some evidence, do little harm, for everyone takes a salutory pleasure in proving their falseness; and when this is done, one path toward errors is closed and the road to truth is often at the same time opened.
--Charles Darwin


I have never heard of this show. I'll put it on the list of things to check out.

ThE sAtIvA hIgH said:

i think the reason you no longer want to post in here is ,cause we have exhausted your continual bullshit , and owned you on everything , and you just cant admit your wrong so instead of , thinking for yourself ,and admitting your beliefs are wrong you will run away and bury your head further in the sand .
its quite typical of religious people to do this when all there points they based there beliefs in have been interlectualy flawed.

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How have you proven oly wrong? Did you find everything about the universe(sorry for being a smartass dude, ha)? If you didn't then how can you automatically say there is no god?

Hepheastus420 said:

How have you proven oly wrong? Did you find everything about the universe(sorry for being a smartass dude, ha)? If you didn't then how can you automatically say there is no god?

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One doesn't have to look everywhere in the universe to come to the conclusion unicorns don't exist (we assume they don't based on lack of evidence), so why would we have to look everywhere in the universe before coming to the conclusion god doesn't exist based on the same lack of evidence?

Cause they think their way is the only way and thts it. They claim to be considerate people, but their hate for believers overwrites their ability to see believers as human beings. we believers have the mental capacity to believe in a higher power and creator and to ponder what else is out there to be discovered, what makes us so different? We believe the same laws you follow, yet you all are hell bent to make us out like some achaic group.

Why do people who take pscydelics see unicorns? or why do meth addicts claim to see demons and the devil?

Have you been all around the universe? Let me remind how, the universe gianormiusgiagantically huge.

How do you know there is not a race of unified unicorns millions of light years away?

Your logic is flawed, as for every other atheist on here claiming to be a science dude, yet are naive to consider the possibilities

Beefbisquit said:

One doesn't have to look everywhere in the universe to come to the conclusion unicorns don't exist (we assume they don't based on lack of evidence), so why would we have to look everywhere in the universe before coming to the conclusion god doesn't exist based on the same lack of evidence?

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olylifter420 said:

Why do people who take pscydelics see unicorns? or why do meth addicts claim to see demons and the devil?

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because the drug effects certain parts of the brain and they have that hallucination. we know they are a function of the brain.
here is something pretty interesting i watched earlier today
http://www.ted.com/talks/oliver_sacks_what_hallucination_reveals_about_our_minds.html

Have you been all around the universe? Let me remind how, the universe gianormiusgiagantically huge.

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have you? what experiments have you or any scientist done to shows god exists? or even probably exists?
we have plenty of experiments and a lot of data that shows what scientists say is correct.

How do you know there is not a race of unified unicorns millions of light years away?

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we dont. but based on the lack of evidence, we can assume unicorns probably dont exist. if evidence shows up, we will update our textbooks. but until then, we shouldnt have faith that unicorns are real. if you have faith that they do exist in defiance of the lack of evidence, you are not thinking logically.

Your logic is flawed, as for every other atheist on here claiming to be a science dude, yet are naive to consider the possibilities

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the possibilities of what? gods existence? most atheists do consider the possibility of a god, as we have explained to you before. nobody has shown any evidence that shows a god exists. all you have is books written by people who could have easily been fooled. plus its been changed many times.

olylifter420 said:

Why do people who take pscydelics see unicorns? or why do meth addicts claim to see demons and the devil?

Have you been all around the universe? Let me remind how, the universe gianormiusgiagantically huge.

How do you know there is not a race of unified unicorns millions of light years away?

Your logic is flawed, as for every other atheist on here claiming to be a science dude, yet are naive to consider the possibilities

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i've taken many kinds of psychedelics oli and i never have unicornsbut i have seen. Angels, devils, pixies, peoples heads turn inside out, ive seen time stretch out for eternity forwards and backwards, i've been the singularity i've been god and became the whole universe.
i then came down reminded myself i took lsd/shrooms/ketamine/salvia/dmt and got on with my life

people sees things because drugs mess with your head.
the sheer intricacies of closed eye visuals on salvia/dmt to me shows me how powerfull my visual cortex is in comparison to my eyes its like having the worlds best graphics card to image with but using a 1mp camera to view the world. the drugs just put enough of a glitch in that patterns form
watch the begining of this video to see what "psychedelic" effect you can get with just simple camera feedback
[youtube]UxAltBlGZAo[/youtube]
small glitches big illusions

there may or may not be a race of unified unicorns but untill you show me evidence of their existence or even show how believing in them will effect my life in anyway shape or form all i have to say about them is "meh"

what possibilities are you talking about what is it im not considering?

tyler.durden said:

There may be many similarities (can't think of a bunch right now) between theists and atheists, but similarities aren't the point. The important point is the differences between atheists and theists: Most atheists value critical thinking, skepticism, demands of proof for extraordinary claims and constantly being on the lookout for errors in one's epistemology. Most important is a willingness to change one's beliefs when new facts and information are presented, something rarely seen among theists...

Regarding atheist organizations and conferences, people aren't usually congregating for something, they're against something: against religious dogma's influence in political decisions, against creationism being taught in public schools, against religions' unfair tax exemptions, against persecution of atheists from the government and the general public, etc.. Atheists are a diverse bunch; we are individually for different things, but collectively against the same things...

P.S. Hep, don't take it personally: we not only disbelieve in your god, but all gods

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Good points tyler, I'm positive you didn't need me to tell you that, I'm just replying to assure you I take no offense. peace dude.

olylifter420 said:

Have you been all around the universe? Let me remind how, the universe gianormiusgiagantically huge.

How do you know there is not a race of unified unicorns millions of light years away?

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"Russell's teapot, sometimes called the Celestial teapot, Cosmic teapot or Bertrand's teapot, is an analogy first coined by the philosopher Bertrand Russell (1872–1970) to illustrate the idea that the philosophic burden of proof lies upon a person making scientifically unfalsifiable claims rather than shifting the burden of proof to others, specifically in the case of religion. Russell wrote that if he claimed that a teapot were orbiting the sun somewhere in space between the Earth and Mars, it would be nonsensical for him to expect others not to doubt him on the grounds that they could not prove him wrong." - Wikipedia

Your logic is flawed, as for every other atheist on here claiming to be a science dude, yet are naive to consider the possibilities

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It's not a flaw of logic to dismiss claims until reasonable evidence is produced. No one is claiming to know 100% that god doesn't exist, because as you stated, it's impossible to know that without simultaneously knowing everything in the universe. (Kind of like a "Laplace-ian Demon")

Considering possibilities is vastly different from believing strongly in something purely on faith.

have you? what experiments have you or any scientist done to shows god exists?

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i was not the one making any claims, fail on your part...

we have plenty of experiments and a lot of data that shows what scientists say is correct.

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who said they were wrong? fail again

but based on the lack of evidence, we can assume unicorns probably dont exist.

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you are not thinking logically.

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even i know assumptions are retarded and should never be made, especially in science

the possibilities of what? gods existence?

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there you go again, making this a religion vs. atheist bullshit.

plus its been changed many times.

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so science books have never changed? hmm? strange!!!

Beefbisquit said:

"Russell's teapot, sometimes called the Celestial teapot, Cosmic teapot or Bertrand's teapot, is an analogy first coined by the philosopher Bertrand Russell (1872–1970) to illustrate the idea that the philosophic burden of proof lies upon a person making scientifically unfalsifiable claims rather than shifting the burden of proof to others, specifically in the case of religion. Russell wrote that if he claimed that a teapot were orbiting the sun somewhere in space between the Earth and Mars, it would be nonsensical for him to expect others not to doubt him on the grounds that they could not prove him wrong." - Wikipedia






It's not a flaw of logic to dismiss claims until reasonable evidence is produced. No one is claiming to know 100% that god doesn't exist, because as you stated, it's impossible to know that without simultaneously knowing everything in the universe. (Kind of like a "Laplace-ian Demon")

Considering possibilities is vastly different from believing strongly in something purely on faith.

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Beef meet Oly, our resident fundie without a clue. He has been told about Russell's teapot before, and just about any other critical thinking concept you can imagine. I would suggest when you read his posts you just shake your head and move on without reply. His only goal is to use your reply, no matter how succinct or articulate, for a springboard to the rest of his diatribe, which he borrows from fundie mentality without actually understanding himself, so it comes across as a mentally challenged 5 year old girl. Oly has to sit at the kids table and not participate with the adults until he learns how to properly conduct himself. Unless you enjoy poking a retard with a stick, you shouldn't waste your time.

man, i woke up today and had breakfast. you woke up with a stick up your ass... is it there forever?

Im telling you heis, you are a class act. always thinking you so smarter then me or anyone else on here... you just another biased atheist prick with nothing better to do.

do you think you are some type of elite person in society cause of the way you write your bullshit? grow dude, you take the internet way to serious and when you are biased and closed minded like yourself, you always act like a little bitch that cannot stop complaining about whatever they dont like... STFU if you dont know me, making these assumptions about who i am..

Heisenberg said:

Beef meet Oly, our resident fundie without a clue. He has been told about Russell's teapot before, and just about any other critical thinking concept you can imagine. I would suggest when you read his posts you just shake your head and move on without reply. His only goal is to use your reply, no matter how succinct or articulate, for a springboard to the rest of his diatribe, which he borrows from fundie mentality without actually understanding himself, so it comes across as a mentally challenged 5 year old girl. Oly has to sit at the kids table and not participate with the adults until he learns how to properly conduct himself. Unless you enjoy poking a retard with a stick, you shouldn't waste your time.

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has it ever occurred to your highness that i dont listen or "play like an adult" with you or most other atheists on here cause you all are douches... always think you are right, all the damn time... blaming every believer for being nut job, do you think i will just sit there and take it? no, you are mistaken... you must not have many friends is real life... oh wait, thats an assumption.. how will that make me look? please tell me, oh so smarty one?

Heisenberg said:

Beef meet Oly, our resident fundie without a clue. He has been told about Russell's teapot before, and just about any other critical thinking concept you can imagine. I would suggest when you read his posts you just shake your head and move on without reply. His only goal is to use your reply, no matter how succinct or articulate, for a springboard to the rest of his diatribe, which he borrows from fundie mentality without actually understanding himself, so it comes across as a mentally challenged 5 year old girl. Oly has to sit at the kids table and not participate with the adults until he learns how to properly conduct himself. Unless you enjoy poking a retard with a stick, you shouldn't waste your time.

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Right on Cue as if to demonstrate my point. These would be examples of how he uses any reply, no matter what it says, to spew his diatribe, and further demonstration of his school yard conduct. He is real good at claiming unfairness and labeling things he doesn't understand as bullshit, but never shows the slightest evidence or support for these lables. He is the boy who cried wolf so many times that the adults don't even turn their head anymore, unless they are new in which case he takes advantage of their good intentions to gain a self-righteous erection and masturbate his religious hate speech. Mutual masturbation is his favorite, so don't lend him a helping hand.