The $30,800 BCNL Big Kahuna With Cheese

I am a first time grower (on my own). i have been around grow operations frequently and have the general knowledge. I want to do it big and with the least maintenace and easiest way possible. I am not being naive about the effort i will put into this, but i would at least like an easier operating system. This system seems almost dummy proof. I realize that it is expensive and I am ok with that. I do not want to build anything.

I have all the data and specs that come with it, but I would like to speak with someone first hand that has purchased, used or been around one of these systems operating. Curious to hear all recommendations, pros, cons, etc....?

It would be greatly appreciated.

It is a complete and total ripoff...

Learn how to grow starting small.

You say you want to grow big but you want to pay 30K for a relatively small metal box to grow in.

You could have 10* the equipment if you bought it separately and learned how to use it.

Good luck whatever you do.

davidmilam3 said:

I am a first time grower (on my own). i have been around grow operations frequently and have the general knowledge. I want to do it big and with the least maintenace and easiest way possible. I am not being naive about the effort i will put into this, but i would at least like an easier operating system. This system seems almost dummy proof. I realize that it is expensive and I am ok with that. I do not want to build anything.

I have all the data and specs that come with it, but I would like to speak with someone first hand that has purchased, used or been around one of these systems operating. Curious to hear all recommendations, pros, cons, etc....?

It would be greatly appreciated.

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I'm hoping you meant 3,800 not 30 800 . . That number would lead me to believe you're a fucking chimpanzee.

I believe a member on here named " nathenking " uses a bcnl PRODUCER, and has great success though and I'm pretty sure that runs around 4 g's

NLXSK1 said:

It is a complete and total ripoff...

Learn how to grow starting small.

You say you want to grow big but you want to pay 30K for a relatively small metal box to grow in.

You could have 10* the equipment if you bought it separately and learned how to use it.

Good luck whatever you do.

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This is the system i am speaking of. Maybe it is too small. That's why i am asking. It is supposed to produce about 50lbs a year on a low side.

Check these out to make sure we are on the same page. Plus BCNL seems to be well respected. Let me know.
It's the Big Kahuna with Cheese that I am thinking of.

http://www.bcnorthernlights.com/hydroponics-combos

http://www.bcnorthernlights.com/hydroponics-combos/the-big-kahuna


More data they have sent me below
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Hi David, thank you for your interest in our products and services. All of our boxes are odorless, quiet, consume very minimal power, and are basically fool proof. Our grow advisors are available 7 days a week to guide you through to a successful yield. BC Northern Lights makes the best quality machines money can buy. Every angle has been engineered by us, and we manufacture in house to strict Canadian standards. We do not use prefabricated sheds and messes of wires, unlike our competition. With each box purchase from us we also supply you with the best products and accessories at no cost, so we know you are starting off on the right foot. This includes a 4 month supply of Advanced Nutrients line of high end liquid plant food, and an easy to follow feeding schedule. Our products have been developed and improved over 9 years and counting.


Big Kahuna with Cheese $30,800

The BK with C can harvest 36 plants (2 Producers) every 3 weeks and can expect to achieve from 1 lb to upwards of 2.5 lbs from each Pro. (17 harvests in a year once up and running with an average of 1.5 per Pro will get you over 50lbs in a year)

Here is a detailed list of what is included with this package

6 – Producers w/ hydro
1 – Veg Bloombox w/ hydro and 36 pot lid
1 – Mothership
1 – Power Cloner 45
2 – Dryers
14 – Coco Carbon filters
24 – 400W – HPS bulbs
2 – 400W – MH bulbs
1 – 125 W – CFL bulbs
7 – T-5 upgrades
1 – Combo Pen (PH, TDS/EC and water temp)
1 – All calibration and storage solutions
60 – 12” – Air stones
192 – Drip emitters
1 – Scalpel
1 – Clone dome
12 – Water pumps
1 – Digital thermometer
1 – Pruning scissors
6 – Ona blocks
4 – Hydro pots
4 – Coco Bricks
544 – 1” – Rockwool
720 – 3” – Rockwool
1 – Big Kahuna w/ cheese Deal ventilation pack
7 – Mixing tubs w/ measuring syringe
1 – BK w/ Cheese Nutrient pack (full year!!)

The price is ridiculous. You could probably hire some guy from RIU to come live in your house and grow dope for a year for that kind of $$

Also, if you would, please elaborate and explain your replies whether it be good or bad please. trying to get a better idea before spending that much money.

Anyone actually ever seen one in use or know anyone that has purchased this package?

NLXSK1 said:

The price is ridiculous. You could probably hire some guy from RIU to come live in your house and grow dope for a year for that kind of $$

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If on top of the price he'll throw in an 18 year old skinny big-boobed blonde hooker once a week I'd come grow for him ... at least for a year ...... or until the hooker gives me a heart attack ... whichever would come first I could not guess ... I am nearing 56 years old though so it might be the heart attack.

If you are gonna pay stupid money you might just want to get something like this...

http://www.4hydroponics.com/hydroponics/rotate2.asp?ItemNo=rotoGro


You wanted reasons? Because it is too expensive.

Because you have 6 separate grow rooms with 12 400W lights (guesstimating, they dont give details) and there are much better lighting strategies.

Because if you find that the grow system does not work well you are out 30K, it is too expensive.

Because of height limitations (51").

Because it is over 100 plants and depending on the state you live in could earn you serious federal time.

Because you have never grown before and your mistakes are likely to be on quite the grand scale if you try to start with all of that at once.

I might think of a few more...

Did I mention it was way too expensive?

dude you pay me half of the 30k and the other half on equipment, ill come down and set it up and run the grow for the year with 12% ballon payment from yeild totals

That big kahuna sounds like a total rip off. That sounds like sub $3000-6000 worth of stuff if you build or buy things on your own. The markup on that is unreal.

Let me put it this way with 5 grand you can build a much more productive operation with CO2 burners, dehumidifers, carbon filters, sulfur burners, fans, and (2) 1000w lights. You could grow 80 small plants in that kind of setup. This 5 grand op would yield you at a minimum 11 lbs a year if you run an SOG setup. If you spent 10-15 grand you could get a way more productive garden then that thing.

http://www.bcnorthernlights.com/hydroponics-combos
This thing is a total rip off all they're selling you is a bunch of tool/storage lockers filled with grow lights. After looking at I'd say no serious grower would buy that thing. Even with small plants you need more clearance then that (unless you tie things down). For 30gs I thought they'd sell you a converted truck trailer/storage trailer full of shit. You could buld/make something like that big kahuna for tens of thousands less.

NLXSK1 said:

If you are gonna pay stupid money you might just want to get something like this...

http://www.4hydroponics.com/hydroponics/rotate2.asp?ItemNo=rotoGro


You wanted reasons? Because it is too expensive.

Because you have 6 separate grow rooms with 12 400W lights (guesstimating, they dont give details) and there are much better lighting strategies.

Because if you find that the grow system does not work well you are out 30K, it is too expensive.

Because of height limitations (51").

Because it is over 100 plants and depending on the state you live in could earn you serious federal time.

Because you have never grown before and your mistakes are likely to be on quite the grand scale if you try to start with all of that at once.

I might think of a few more...

Did I mention it was way too expensive?

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That seems like a way better waste of money. I could see that getting excellent light usage, but I'm sure if someone was technically crafty enough that could made for 500-1000 bucks.

I realize it is very expensive. What part though? I've researched each piece individually and they are considerably higher. Plus people swear by them. Is BC Northern Lights not a pretty reputable company?
Also, I'm no mathemetician, but this thing on the low side should produce 50lbs a year right?? That is roughly 200k where I'm from. That's considerably over 31k.

Plus it seems like their customer support is pretty helpful.

davidmilam3 said:

Plus it seems like their customer support is pretty helpful.

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If you want it don't listen to anyone's helpful advice just go ahead and purchase it.

davidmilam3 said:

I realize it is very expensive. What part though? I've researched each piece individually and they are considerably higher. Plus people swear by them. Is BC Northern Lights not a pretty reputable company?
Also, I'm no mathemetician, but this thing on the low side should produce 50lbs a year right?? That is roughly 200k where I'm from. That's considerably over 31k.

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Shit I'd build you that entire op for less than 10 grand and it would be better quality stuff (i.e. lumatek/galaxy ballasts, hortilux bulbs, ect). All they're selling you is cheap chinese made crap. If you feel like you're getting a good value get it I guess...But I think you're getting ripped off.

Also I've only heard terrible things about BCNL stuff. I hear they're prone to light and air leak (i.e. smell or possible hermies), overheat, and are generally shit. They're just selling you an oversized tool box full of crap. Like I said, if you spent 10-15 grand on a few grow rooms you'd have something of much better performance with higher wattage lights, better quality equipment, and better environmental controls.

P.S. don't trust the manufacture's estimated yields. They hype that shit up for sales. A good estimate of yields is take your total fruiting wattage (in terms of light) and multiply that value by either .5 (if not using CO2) or .75 (if using CO2). These give you the most conservative estimates on yields (you may get a multiple as high as 1 per light if you're really good and your genetics are too). Basically a 400w bulb will get you 200gs to 300gs of weed.

I definitely wanted it, thought I better keep checking though before making such a large purchase (for me). Appreciating all of the replies.

davidmilam3 said:

I definitely wanted it, thought I better keep checking though before making such a large purchase (for me). Appreciating all of the replies.

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You should more so viewing it as wanting to grow not wanting an item. What you want and what you buy are two separate things.

davidmilam3 said:

Plus it seems like their customer support is pretty helpful.

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Yeah customer service is helpful up front. But I'd like to see they're post purchase customer service after they've robbed you of 30 grand.

Anyone close to Texas interested in talking about building me a better system for less?

davidmilam3 said:

I definitely wanted it, thought I better keep checking though before making such a large purchase (for me). Appreciating all of the replies.

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You said you were familiar with grows. How many of the grows you have seen use this kind of equipment? ER: small metal boxes loaded with equipment?

Second, do you realize how much work this could be? Go look at Al B' Fucts setup on how to grow a lb every 2 weeks. He has to work 4-6 days a week 10 hours solid just trimming the final product. You could be looking at 40 hours a month just trimming alone.

Third, do you know what a MSRP is? (Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price) It is a bullshit number pulled out of thin air to make you think you are getting a great deal when you pay 1/2 of that...

Fourth, find some people (other than the manufacturers testimonials) that actually use the system and rave about it.

Fifth, have you figured out how to unload 50# of product?

Hopefully by this point reality is starting to dawn...

There is no foolproof system, nor one that is easy maintenance in the size you are referring to.

However, if you spend 2 weeks just doing research here on RIU and realize that yes, you actually have to build something and that growing is alot of work then you can easily save yourself $10,000 to $20,000 off the price.

You could have a system that grows a minimum of 25# of product a year for $5,000 or less depending on AC needs.

NLXSK1 said:

The price is ridiculous. You could probably hire some guy from RIU to come live in your house and grow dope for a year for that kind of $$

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i volunteer, i hav the proper equipment too.. plus i live in canada already haahahhahah