Don Gin and Ton
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I don't get how it needs a whole thread dedicated to taking the top off a plant or. I missing something?!
The 12-12 From Seed Thread
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lowblower
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nice stuff man. Ive already decided to top all mine anyways. I just found my rocklock that i just discarded in moist paper towels coz i thought it was a dud seed...ayways i just found the tiny tub i put it in and the root has indeed grown out lol but the actual seed shell was rock hard and hadnt opened, so i prized it open with my nail and a laptop screwdriver, and its in a critical care unit as we speak, so i think if it even survives, its just gonna go in a bog stanard 2 litre pot and left to grow without topping. But they are all on 18/6 at the moment.
jigfresh
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Yeah, you are lol. It seems to me to be LST with OCD. The picture in the second post of the guy holding 8 identical colas I am assuming are from one plant. You don't get 8 identical colas like that taking off the top of a plant.
Not trying to say it's anything special, or better than anything else, just that I think there's more to it that topping the plant.
Not trying to say it's anything special, or better than anything else, just that I think there's more to it that topping the plant.
Saerimmner
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As far as ive been able to ascertain the trick to it is to have all 4/6/8whatever branches originating from the same node instead of multiple nodes thus giving a larger diameter stem to feed them and eliminating side branching so all colas are equally dominant and productive.
oneyejacks
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My latest 12/12 from seed contribution:
The plant above is very robust compared to this 12/12 plant:
I noticed that my plants were looking real spindly and not like the other plants I was seeing here on RIU. So I knew I was not doing it right. I was using Miracle Gro Moisture control with about 8 26w lights mostly 2700k and one or two 5700k. Set it and forget it. With my last plant I decided to grow an AK 48 from Nirvana while the other plants were mystery seeds from giveaways from Nirvana. I don't think that has a bearing on the plant differences above but here is what I think I did do differently that helped.
I ended up doing the AK48 in half MGMC and half MG Seed Starter. I ran out of MGMC and was about to go back to HDep once again and then I thought no, I will just use the rest of the seed starter. In about a 4L container the combination did not even fill it, only 3/4 of the container. I said to myself "maybe that MG IS acidic like the dude from BUDS FOR LESS said and I should PH UP". So I PH up to about 7.5 and then about 7 on waterings there after. The plant was ok for 3 weeks to a month from 12/12 then showed signs of getting really light green (next stop yellow). I remembered I did a 50/50 seed starter so I think I had a deficiency starting as the plant matured. I had bought the 15-30-15 MG fert in HDept a long time ago and decided I was going to just use that to supplement. I took the small end of the fertilizer spoon and only filled that end about 1/4 deep, dumped it in a gallon jug and ferted that way, responded nicely and no burn. The next watering I did 1/2 deep on the small spoon side and never went above that. I noticed no burn just nice deep greens...
I also added 2 more 42 watt 2700k bulbs for side lighting so 11 or so bulbs now altogether. When I put the big lights in the closet I put them on the side not over the top. I let my weaker 26 watters canvas the top.
WHAT A DIFFERENCE. Now I see the small things REALLY add up. I still won't have great yields because of my small 4L pot. But my yields will be much more than what the were. The plant is a monster and glad I did this experiment with one plant as opposed to my usual three because I would be having serious space issues!
The plant above is very robust compared to this 12/12 plant:
I noticed that my plants were looking real spindly and not like the other plants I was seeing here on RIU. So I knew I was not doing it right. I was using Miracle Gro Moisture control with about 8 26w lights mostly 2700k and one or two 5700k. Set it and forget it. With my last plant I decided to grow an AK 48 from Nirvana while the other plants were mystery seeds from giveaways from Nirvana. I don't think that has a bearing on the plant differences above but here is what I think I did do differently that helped. I ended up doing the AK48 in half MGMC and half MG Seed Starter. I ran out of MGMC and was about to go back to HDep once again and then I thought no, I will just use the rest of the seed starter. In about a 4L container the combination did not even fill it, only 3/4 of the container. I said to myself "maybe that MG IS acidic like the dude from BUDS FOR LESS said and I should PH UP". So I PH up to about 7.5 and then about 7 on waterings there after. The plant was ok for 3 weeks to a month from 12/12 then showed signs of getting really light green (next stop yellow). I remembered I did a 50/50 seed starter so I think I had a deficiency starting as the plant matured. I had bought the 15-30-15 MG fert in HDept a long time ago and decided I was going to just use that to supplement. I took the small end of the fertilizer spoon and only filled that end about 1/4 deep, dumped it in a gallon jug and ferted that way, responded nicely and no burn. The next watering I did 1/2 deep on the small spoon side and never went above that. I noticed no burn just nice deep greens...
I also added 2 more 42 watt 2700k bulbs for side lighting so 11 or so bulbs now altogether. When I put the big lights in the closet I put them on the side not over the top. I let my weaker 26 watters canvas the top.
WHAT A DIFFERENCE. Now I see the small things REALLY add up. I still won't have great yields because of my small 4L pot. But my yields will be much more than what the were. The plant is a monster and glad I did this experiment with one plant as opposed to my usual three because I would be having serious space issues!
mantiszn
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also been following the thread for awhile.
he's honest about it and states that the techniques are nothing new and very simple and basically just topping with training
he also had a conversation with someone about yield, and I don't believe it has anything with trying to increase yield in comparison to normal training/topping, for him its more about the connivence of trimming and humidity issues
he gets through a lot of bushes and reckon he was just having a nightmare time trying to trim it all, if you look at those 8 main cola's those would be a dream to trim compared to a mass of bush everywhere with tons of popcorn etc.. also he lives in a very humid area and has issues with mold and budrot, bushy canopy = issues for him.. this method gives buds room but they can still be large.
he does go into the more scientific side of things though and two common things he mentions are the "manifold" (like sae says you want even distribution to all colas) which is basically the under carriage. and also goes on about Vascular cambium, which is basically the woodiness in the branches, this enabled the stems to support those massive buds
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vascular_cambium
also marijuana grows with apical dominance and it is about redistributing that in the most effective manner
excuse the childlike drawing
the one on the left shows typical apical dominant growth, the one on the right is redistributed
even though they may both be the same weight.. I know which one I'd prefer trimming..
anyways that's just my 0.02 understanding of it
he's honest about it and states that the techniques are nothing new and very simple and basically just topping with training
he also had a conversation with someone about yield, and I don't believe it has anything with trying to increase yield in comparison to normal training/topping, for him its more about the connivence of trimming and humidity issues
he gets through a lot of bushes and reckon he was just having a nightmare time trying to trim it all, if you look at those 8 main cola's those would be a dream to trim compared to a mass of bush everywhere with tons of popcorn etc.. also he lives in a very humid area and has issues with mold and budrot, bushy canopy = issues for him.. this method gives buds room but they can still be large.
he does go into the more scientific side of things though and two common things he mentions are the "manifold" (like sae says you want even distribution to all colas) which is basically the under carriage. and also goes on about Vascular cambium, which is basically the woodiness in the branches, this enabled the stems to support those massive buds
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vascular_cambium
also marijuana grows with apical dominance and it is about redistributing that in the most effective manner
excuse the childlike drawing
the one on the left shows typical apical dominant growth, the one on the right is redistributed
even though they may both be the same weight.. I know which one I'd prefer trimming..
anyways that's just my 0.02 understanding of it
UKHomeGrow
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My latest 12/12 from seed
Pineapple chunk, start of 6th week in flower, apparently a 9 weeker. Usual set up, 400w HPS, Canna Pro Coco, Hesi nutes and a big fat spliff every time I water her
Developed a calcium def on this grow, ordered some CalMag and will be using that instead of just the epsom salts moving forward.
Pineapple chunk, start of 6th week in flower, apparently a 9 weeker. Usual set up, 400w HPS, Canna Pro Coco, Hesi nutes and a big fat spliff every time I water her
Developed a calcium def on this grow, ordered some CalMag and will be using that instead of just the epsom salts moving forward.
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lowblower
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thats not a skunk plant thats a monster......4th week of flower WTF how tall is she?My latest 12/12 from seed
Pineapple chunk, 4th week of flower, apparently a 9 weeker. Usual set up, 400w HPS, Canna Pro Coco, Hesi nutes and a big fat spliff every time I water her
Developed a calcium def on this grow, ordered some CalMag and will be using that instead of just the epsom salts moving forward.
UKHomeGrow
Active Member
LOL, she stands just under 38 inches from the top of the coco.
Just looked at my notes and I have down she started flowering around the 5th November, so this is the start of week 6 not 4. I had the finish date right in my head at least
hey guys im already in flowerin wit my vegged plants but they have lil under 2 months time left ........ but to the point here in my new tent i have room for the last 5 fem seeds there an wanna do 12 12 to get a later harvest but wats the basics like grow time? ect , im usin a 1k light in 4x4 wit all ff nutes/soil, thanks
KidneyStoner420
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I have 12 plants under 12/12 on 12/12/12
xHylios55x
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are you a wizard?!
KidneyStoner420
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Yes
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SmokeYourOwn
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So the mountain-sized asteroid hits when? Hmm, prob about 11:59:99pm eastern....
Kidding!!!
No, really, MOUNTAIN-SIZED!!!
haha, no really, just takin the piss....
Kidding!!!
No, really, MOUNTAIN-SIZED!!!
haha, no really, just takin the piss....
hsfkush
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Are we talking about that ancient calender shit? I thought that was 21/12/12?So the mountain-sized asteroid hits when? Hmm, prob about 11:59:99pm eastern....
Kidding!!!
No, really, MOUNTAIN-SIZED!!!
haha, no really, just takin the piss....
lowblower
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yeah its supposedly 21/12 although its been a while since mayan civilsation was destroyed by spaniards with metal swords, guns and metal body armour in the name of god and lots and lots of gold. So Id even be sceptical about the exact date. Its just a calendar anyways and it doesn't mean the end of the world. Just because im gettin to the end of my calendar doesnt mean everything gonna disappear every year lol teh fact is if people want a change they gonna have to work for it, not rely on magic