Testing InnoLed's 120w horticultural led fixture= Let there be warm white/ high cri light!:)

http://www.qdvision.com/
http://hexolux.com/cinewhite/

FranJan said:

So we really should get some awesome photos later on under that 98 CRI . Now I remember this company. Guess it's put up or shut up time for them eh folks? Take care of you eyes P and no Photoshopping, OK ? LOL No really take care of the eyes and be safe P.

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LOL ..........no photoshop here and yes I put on sunglasses in the small-ass room

hyroot said:

98 cri holy shnikes's. thats going to kick ass... I'm a firm believer that a more even spectral distribution is more important than high µmole/s.

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will see brother........not promising greatness, BB is tricky IMO

FranJan said:

The more I think about this light, if this light is for real, this is a complete and total game changer. This could totally eat plasma's lunch before plasma even has a shot. The control of spectra manufacturer's will have will be nothing short of amazing.Who's die are they using to stimulate the dots? And finding out the mA would be interesting, especially since it's max is 18 Amps!
Anyone want to buy some lightly used Hans 80s?
http://www.azonano.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=121

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Got nothing from them about the led specs.........just tid bits

Don't sell your Hans panels yet

stardustsailor said:

I can see casing resembling each other ...
Probably same " German Man .process " ....
Same factory ?
Same standards ?
Maybe ?

Case indeed at both cases ,is having both same looks...Like a Panzer tank ...
And they both do like ,as they are being made under German manufacturing standards/process ...

There I think stops any 'resemblance', what so ever ...
Cobs used on Inno are way exotic ...(Or if they are not exactly COBS ..Whatever they are ,anyway ...)
Drivers also probably ....
(I'm fortelling an ...inno¢ent .... 'surgery ' operation ,there PSU ? )


PSUAGRO!!! ...
Now you know ,that probably you can attach a hood/ wide angle reflector (with otions of 80°-90°-110° maybe ....),also ...

It just gets better and better ....

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I'm not disassembling the fixture, should get an answer about the ma used to power them soon....was thinking about doing a orca film reflector when I got it......but my apathetic attitude could be a hindrance.

MrFlux said:

Ah excellent!

As for the light engine, its spectrum is identical to the Mole-Richardson studio lights.

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....................guess who also makes those leds in that unit???ha........nice digging friend

salmone said:

psuagro... great thread.. see you in action with cob...I wish you the best

...but...

...the price seems to me too high for 120w ......

sell them separate parts? ...for example the cob led or the heatsink... something is not right to my pov...
...looking at things...on the heatsink way... im search in that way.. i see...

...yeah i know its only similar but... ...the price diferences... wow.. maybe my maths its wrong or bad...

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/German-manufacturing-process-150w-led-high-bay-light-led-high-bay-light-150w-150w-high-bay/537069035.html

led cob price + heatsink price + driver price....something is not right in prices to my pov...

..would be nice to know the price of your cob led only... ...example...for replace if melt one... ...or buy several for mounting on other coolers or heat sinks...

saludos

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YES the price is very high for the wattage..........Is it justifiable though?? IDK, they stand by their BIG claims(beta-grower feedback) and 80000 hr life...............good luck getting just the quantum chips from them.

This light is UNPROVEN on the internet MJ scene...........It may get the weights/results that they say on other species, but mj wants lots of photons to the canopy for good yields. I'm unbiased and we will find out together.......

Tilting horticultural light and method of plant cultivation
US 20130283683 A1
(...)Fourthly, the combination of using high efficiency LEDs and/or quantum dots(...)
http://www.google.com/patents/US20130283683
http://www.google.com/patents/US20130283683


Method and means for enhancing greenhouse lights
US 20130047503 A1
An illumination device with a semiconductor light emission solution has a wavelength up conversion feature and is suited for plant cultivation in a greenhouse environment. The best mode is considered to be a light device with at least one blue LED (101) with wavelength up conversion binary alloy quantum dots (110, 120, 130, 140, 150, 160) made by colloidal methods that are arranged to produce an emission spectrum similar to photosynthetically active radiation (PAR) spectrum with the blue LEDs. The methods and arrangements allow more precise spectral tuning of the emission spectrum for lights used in plant cultivation. Therefore unexpected improvements in the photomorphogenetic control of plant growth, and further improvements in plant (310, 311) production are realized. The device is especially advantageous for greenhouses that already have legacy LED systems. These LED systems can often just be upgraded by adding the quantum dot array to arrive at the lighting solution.


http://www.google.com/patents/US20130047503

Plant illumination device and method for dark growth chambers
An improved method to produce artificial light for plant cultivation, an illumination device with a semiconductor light emission solution and device suited for plant cultivation in a greenhouse and/or dark growth chamber environment are described. The best mode is considered to be a lighting device with LEDs that produces an emission spectrum similar to the photosynthetically active radiation (PAR) spectrum in a dark growth chamber. The methods and arrangements allow more precise spectral tuning of the emission spectrum for lights used in plant (310, 311) cultivation. Therefore unexpected improvements in the photomorphogenetic control of plant growth, and further improvements in plant production, especially in dark growth chambers, such as basements, are realized.

http://www.google.com/patents/US20130044474


Quantum Dot LED's to Enhance Growth in Photosynthetic Organisms
US 20130326941 A1

Quantum dot (QD) LEDs useful for plant, algael and photosynthetic bacterial growth applications. The QD LEDs utilizes a solid state LED (typically emitting blue or UV light) as the primary light source and one or more QD elements as a secondary light source that down-converts the primary light. The emission profile of the QD LED can be tuned to correspond to the absorbance spectrum of one or more photosynthetic pigments of the organism.
http://www.google.com/patents/US20130326941

Compositions, Devices and Methods for Optimizing Photosynthetically Active Radiation
US 20130187126 A1
Compositions, devices, and methods for optimizing photosynthetically active radiation by utilizing a composition comprising a quantum confinement material having an emission spectra of between 300 nm and 545 nm, and a quantum confinement material having an emission spectra of between 545 nm and 750 nm where the composition may be embedded in and/or coated on one or more transparent surfaces.
http://www.google.com/patents/US20130187126

Method and means for improving plant productivity through enhancing insect pollination success in plant cultivation
he invention relates to the cultivation of insect (840) pollinated plants (710, 711) in a greenhouse (700, 701 and 802) environment. In more particular, the invention relates to a lighting device and a method of illumination designed to enhance insect pollination in plants, such as the tomato. The best mode of the invention is considered to be the use of a LED (101, 102, 103 and 104) lighting device having emission peaks (401, 402, 403, 410 and 510) matching the photosynthetic relative absorption peaks of green plants, and the relative reflectance peaks of flowers of plants being cultivated and the relative sensitivity peaks of the insect's vision being used in the pollination. The inventive lighting device and method reduces insect mortality and increases pollination efficiency, photosynthetic growth and thereby increases the productivity of plant cultivation.
http://www.google.com/patents/US20120311925



Many patents around regarding quantum dots and horticulture ,already .

PSUAGRO. said:

YES the price is very high for the wattage....ok......Is it justifiable though?? IDK...me too.., they stand by their BIG claims(beta-grower feedback) and 80000 hr life..........
.....good luck getting just the quantum chips from them. ..I wish but I can not buy anything...

This light is UNPROVEN on the internet MJ scene......ok.....It may get the weights/results that they say on other species, but mj wants lots of photons to the canopy for good yields.
I'm unbiased and we will find out together.......
thanksss

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ok ok ...the chip cob is rare and expensive...now all its ok to my pov...

guod... thanksss..

sds ...jejeje more sections to my librery...reading for years... thanksss...

saludos.

Where's the panem et circenses ,for the masses ?
People demand updates !




( In case you still do not like the InnoLed light ,I can make a ' humanitarian gesture ' for you ...
I can send you my new 4x CXA 3070 led light for you to have and grow happily and
you can send me this Inno -crap of yours ...No charges ! For Free !
With both shipping costs of trading the lights ,covered by me !
Brother ,I really feel sympathetic for you,buying this crap light !
Ain't good at all .
I can have it gladly !
..... )

Cheers .

stardustsailor said:

Where's the panem et circenses ,for the masses ?
People demand updates !




( In case you still do not like the InnoLed light ,I can make a ' humanitarian gesture ' for you ...
I can send you my new 4x CXA 3070 led light for you to have and grow happily and
you can send me this Inno -crap of yours ...No charges ! For Free !
With both shipping costs of trading the lights ,covered by me !
Brother ,I really feel sympathetic for you,buying this crap light !
Ain't good at all .
I can have it gladly !
..... )

Cheers .

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Patience friend only 1/10 has gone north......................I wish I could fast forward 3 months for you



Fran's mom says she would love to go to Greece, but the test must go on................

24/0 light schedule until they all hopefully germinate.......don't want stretch out of the gate, will have plenty of it later with this 3200k spectra.

ohhhhhh !!!!!

I like the baby !
really ...
Look how compact and stocky it is tiny little fat one !
Look the cotyledon's and low stem thickness !
Look the lamina angle ...Straight up ,to the sky ...
Sunlight acclimation ,100% obvious ...The little one ....
You know that ,there's a theory ,about seeds ,pre-sprouting illumination ,blah-blah ...?
That youngster that popped -up ,seems to know a lot for ....Frans mom ...
Or everything might be another day-dream of mine ,eh ? ....

" don't want stretch out of the gate, will have plenty of it later with this 3200k spectra."



Ok ..
Let be some sunlight ,then ....


Keep up the great work ,brother !

Cheers .

I'm interested to hear your thoughts on how it compares to the indagro and hans when it comes to heat/temps, coverage, and intensity. I know you haven't had it that long and will have a much better idea once things move along, but any initial thoughts?

Hello Farmers,

Finally I got a chance to catch up on this thread. First off, I like to thank PSUAGRO for reaching out to us and testing out our product. I know there are skepticism around LED's on growing Cannabis. I'm here to clear up any questions that any Farmers may have regarding our product.

The Chinese LED diodes that you see on the market today has brought a bad name for the LED industry over the years in regards to the cannabis industry…until now. There are a couple of huge LED's manufacture that was mention in this thread that uses these Chinese diodes. I'm not here to put down any of those companies. I'm simply just here to educate you on our LED technology and why we're different.

Why are our LED's different you ask?

• Better heat management
• Our LED chips are made in the USA and we have our own patents on the diodes. We don't use anyone's diodes.
• Our LED's are movie quality with a high CRI of 98!

Why are our specs graph the same as Mole Richardson? That's because it's our LED chip and we make it for them! Our LED's was tested by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences "Oscars" to have the highest CRI in the industry! If our chip is good enough for 100 yr old movie company like Mole Richardson, it good enough for the cannabis industry. Our LED's mimic the sun!

• Our 100W LED operate at 32V / 3.5A and plug into 120 wall outlet.

**PSUAGRO - I see you took off the 120 degree lens on our fixture. By taking off the lens you loose about 25% foot-candle. I've tested this myself with a foot-candle meter. There are very minor light lost on the side (3-5%) when the lens is on, but not 25% with the lens off. I highly recommend you put it back on.

What I like to see from this test if possible is a side by side comparison of our 100W LED with a 400W HPS in action from start to finished. I'm sure other Farmers would like to see the outcome of the grow as well, good or bad. I like to see the quality and yield from both systems.

We have a 300W and a 500W that was just released. Why did we send the 100W to be tested?

• Most growers are "closet" or "room" growers. 100W is ideal for this application without drawing too much power or heat and still remain stealth. Thus keeping cost and maintenance at a minimum.
• If you like the outcome of the 100W, imagine what the 300W and 500W can do! The new 500W will be tested in the very near future.

*Lastly I like to thank the community for all the support and knowledge that you've provided. I've learned so much and still learning since I took on this industry. It's a festinating industry and I love to be apart of it! Enough of me ranting on about LED's, let's sit back and enjoy the show hosted by PSUAGRO.

Thanks,
"The InnoLed Boys"

Just a heads up to you guys at inno, i believe rollitup lokes to charge companies to participate on this forum since they consider it advertising. Might wanna check on that since i would like to pick your guys' brains as much as anyone else on this board and do not want ya to get in trouble with the head hanchos.

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Thanks for the heads up natro.hydro. We're not looking to advertise our product on this forum by any mean. PSUAGRO was nice enough to contribute his time and effort to this community by testing our LED's. At the end of the day, we just want the end user to make a well informed decision if they decide to go with LED vs your traditional HPS system. With this experiment they can do that.

I'm tired of seeing LED companies making claims in their lab and not do real world testing to actually see if it works before they release it to the market. They're in it to make a quick buck, that's why these companies failed. It actually takes a lot of time to do these real world testing. We're invested in our vision and technology, We want to do it right the first time regardless of how long it take to perfect it. We're very supportive in this community as they are in us in the past.

We love it if you pick our brains, fire away…

AHHHH I see Innoled chimed in..............Had allot of questions that needed answering in here, glad they cleared some things up.

I'm heading home soon and will do a small update later...........LENS back ON!! say it ain't so ......

Does the 120 W have a desired coverage IE 3x3 2x2 etc.. I cant find antthing on their website...

stardustsailor said:

ohhhhhh !!!!!

I like the baby !
really ...
Look how compact and stocky it is tiny little fat one !
Look the cotyledon's and low stem thickness !
Look the lamina angle ...Straight up ,to the sky ...
Sunlight acclimation ,100% obvious ...The little one ....
You know that ,there's a theory ,about seeds ,pre-sprouting illumination ,blah-blah ...?
That youngster that popped -up ,seems to know a lot for ....Frans mom ...
Or everything might be another day-dream of mine ,eh ? ....

" don't want stretch out of the gate, will have plenty of it later with this 3200k spectra."



Ok ..
Let be some sunlight ,then ....


Keep up the great work ,brother !

Cheers .

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You can see all that from a pic "ganja whisperer"??..........lol.......... yeah they seem to like the fixture so far

thanks SDS

puffenuff said:

I'm interested to hear your thoughts on how it compares to the indagro and hans when it comes to heat/temps, coverage, and intensity. I know you haven't had it that long and will have a much better idea once things move along, but any initial thoughts?

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Tough to say puff.........heat and temps are lower than running the two other panels mentioned together, but it's less watts ............so
The spectra coming out of this innoled is eerily like late afternoon sunlight.........cooler than hps and warmer than philips allstart cmh.
I know you've never messed with an HPS, but I've done start to finish with them and they don't veg "nice" looking plants like mh/cmh/t5/induction........so it will be interesting to see how they do under this led.

Coverage is better than both, but that's with the secondary lens OFF...........It is a bright mofo, but that means little

Grnlife said:

Hello Farmers,

Finally I got a chance to catch up on this thread. First off, I like to thank PSUAGRO for reaching out to us and testing out our product. I know there are skepticism around LED's on growing Cannabis. I'm here to clear up any questions that any Farmers may have regarding our product.

The Chinese LED diodes that you see on the market today has brought a bad name for the LED industry over the years in regards to the cannabis industry…until now. There are a couple of huge LED's manufacture that was mention in this thread that uses these Chinese diodes. I'm not here to put down any of those companies. I'm simply just here to educate you on our LED technology and why we're different.

Why are our LED's different you ask?

• Better heat management
• Our LED chips are made in the USA and we have our own patents on the diodes. We don't use anyone's diodes.
• Our LED's are movie quality with a high CRI of 98!

Why are our specs graph the same as Mole Richardson? That's because it's our LED chip and we make it for them! Our LED's was tested by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences "Oscars" to have the highest CRI in the industry! If our chip is good enough for 100 yr old movie company like Mole Richardson, it good enough for the cannabis industry. Our LED's mimic the sun!

• Our 100W LED operate at 32V / 3.5A and plug into 120 wall outlet.

**PSUAGRO - I see you took off the 120 degree lens on our fixture. By taking off the lens you loose about 25% foot-candle. I've tested this myself with a foot-candle meter. There are very minor light lost on the side (3-5%) when the lens is on, but not 25% with the lens off. I highly recommend you put it back on.

What I like to see from this test if possible is a side by side comparison of our 100W LED with a 400W HPS in action from start to finished. I'm sure other Farmers would like to see the outcome of the grow as well, good or bad. I like to see the quality and yield from both systems.

We have a 300W and a 500W that was just released. Why did we send the 100W to be tested?

• Most growers are "closet" or "room" growers. 100W is ideal for this application without drawing too much power or heat and still remain stealth. Thus keeping cost and maintenance at a minimum.
• If you like the outcome of the 100W, imagine what the 300W and 500W can do! The new 500W will be tested in the very near future.

*Lastly I like to thank the community for all the support and knowledge that you've provided. I've learned so much and still learning since I took on this industry. It's a festinating industry and I love to be apart of it! Enough of me ranting on about LED's, let's sit back and enjoy the show hosted by PSUAGRO.

Thanks,
"The InnoLed Boys"

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Thanks for finally stopping by..............YES I wanted the "120w"(32v x 3.5a== 112 watts actual??) fixture for testing in the SUMMER months(my room can't handle much more wattage until fall). I think this fixture is enough to see personally if it lives up to your claims. Granted I'm running this grow fast and NOT for highest yields obviously, still it should show some valuable info to the RIU community.

I knew the light loss to the sides was high without the secondary lens, but damn 25%!........ what's your suggested heights over the canopy with the lens on??? Well I'll put it on again and let RIU see what the difference is in the room in a couple of days.

natro.hydro said:

Just a heads up to you guys at inno, i believe rollitup lokes to charge companies to participate on this forum since they consider it advertising. Might wanna check on that since i would like to pick your guys' brains as much as anyone else on this board and do not want ya to get in trouble with the head hanchos.

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This is a TEST not advertising...........If it sucks that's not gonna sell them many panels will it ??.........They know I'm unbiased and will run this like I always do......IF I don't kill the girls first....ha

small update as we wait for the rest of the plants to do something:
.......5/10 have stabilized and have cups off, 3/10 are showing their first set put still need "babying" and 2 are not in good shape IMO (dead?)............still running 24/0 until I confirm the 2 not making it. Blue berry germ rate % gets me again

be safe and happy growing RIU

Can't wait to hear about your update PSUAGRO. Thanks for putting the lens back on. The girls are too small to tell right now so you're fine. As they get bigger they will need more punch, so the lens is helpful.

*Spazatak - The 100W can cover a 3X3 area. It also depends on how big you veg your ladies out. Some farmers like to finished at 2-2.5' and some prefer to go bigger and finished at 4'. The results varies from grower to grower. There are a lot of factors involve such as strains, feeding regimen, nutes, room environment, and so on...

Grnlife said:

Can't wait to hear about your update PSUAGRO. Thanks for putting the lens back on. The girls are too small to tell right now so you're fine. As they get bigger they will need more punch, so the lens is helpful.

*Spazatak - The 100W can cover a 3X3 area. It also depends on how big you veg your ladies out. Some farmers like to finished at 2-2.5' and some prefer to go bigger and finished at 4'. The results varies from grower to grower. There are a lot of factors involve such as strains, feeding regimen, nutes, room environment, and so on...

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Sorry I should've made my post clearer... I was meaning ideal tent size...

Im assuming if it replaces a 400W a 3x3ft would be suitable

I know this is an impartial test psu, just remembering what happened to that nice fella splifferous is all... Would hardly say he was advertising but he still got the boot.
Keep it green fellas

PSUAGRO - Good eye, you're correct about the 112W. We round it off to 100W to keep it simple. Let me clear it up. The unit that we've sent you actually have the 100W tungsten chip inside with a 120W driver so it's running at 120W currently.

Yes, light loss without the lens was more or less 25%. The height when I took the measurement was about 12-14" above the plant. For testing purpose I also had the 300W unit as close as 4" to the plant and the leaves did not burn, since the LED's does not generate a lot of heat. IMO ideal height is about 8-10" above your plants. Your ladies will tell you if it's too much for them.

Everything is looking good PSUAGRO! Can't wait to see more pics on the progress.

Spazatak- Yes, 100W would work just fine for a 3X3 tent. IMO the 300W would give you the best result even if you decide to go with a 4X4.