Testing Beneficial Bacteria in Ebb and Flow (AK47 with Great White)

Trichy Bastard said:

Cool HB, thanks again man... If you remember my first message as a new member last year, you're the reason I decided to join RIU and you still have all the respect I can give a guy... Btw- if you wanna hear something shocking, my aero mentor here "tree farmer" seems to be able to get over 3g/watt- and runs no more than 800 ppm -hows that for inspiring!

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Got a link to Tree Farmer's threads or posts or pics? I'm personally skeptical of anyone who claims to pull over 1g/watt unless they're running vertical or light movers. If I were getting 3g/watt with my 600's, that would be 63 ounces per light which would be physically impossible to fit under the 'light footprint' of my 600.

homebrewer said:

Got a link to Tree Farmer's threads or posts or pics? I'm personally skeptical of anyone who claims to pull over 1g/watt unless they're running vertical or light movers. If I were getting 3g/watt with my 600's, that would be 63 ounces per light which would be physically impossible to fit under the 'light footprint' of my 600.

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Well, he's not the type to generally brag and is pretty modest so I don't know if it's going to be the kind of proof you're looking for. But he definitely is doing some stuff no one else on the planet is as far as I am concerned. He mainly talks about the system's he develops and how they work. Somewhere's in my thread he mentioned his numbers once, and I just know he's not got anything to prove to anyone and wouldn't lie. I completely understand being skeptical and don't fault you there.
https://www.thcfarmer.com/community/threads/trees-and-aero.15936/
https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/254876-my-true-hp-aero-plug.html

Ahhh lol- I was wrong- and sorry for that, it was 2.5-3 pounds per 1000 watt, so thats around or a bit over 1g/watt- it's here in this thread between post 101- and 110...
https://www.rollitup.org/aerogardeners/492029-aerojunkies-high-pressure-air-assisted-4.html#post6920125

Good thing you called me out otherwise I would have been just another person spreading fairly tales out there

Trichy Bastard said:

Ahhh lol- I was wrong- and sorry for that, it was 2.5-3 pounds per 1000 watt, so thats around or a bit over 1g/watt- it's here in this thread between post 101- and 110...
https://www.rollitup.org/aerogardeners/492029-aerojunkies-high-pressure-air-assisted-4.html#post6920125

Good thing you called me out otherwise I would have been just another person spreading fairly tales out there

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It's looks like he's growing some larger plants with some hanging bulbs and in that case I'd think his numbers are completely realistic for someone who knows their shiz. Looks like a good person to look up to for sure.

homebrewer said:

It's looks like he's growing some larger plants with some hanging bulbs and in that case I'd think his numbers are completely realistic for someone who knows their shiz. Looks like a good person to look up to for sure.

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He doesn't call himself "tree farmer" for nuttin- lol Yes man - in my opinion he is a very good person to listen to. . But so are you for the things you focus on... I'm just trying to take the best info I can from everyone and incorporate it into my own style and belief system. For the most part, in my mind all three of us see things similarly despite our different approaches. I'm not here for the sole purpose of just growing, for me it's a passion to try to be the best and also I enjoy tinkering with the technological approach. Thanks again friend.

I'd assume homebrewer isn't using Great White anymore just as I'm not using anymore mykos in my hydro res. Notice I said assume!

Stonefree69 said:

I'd assume homebrewer isn't using Great White anymore just as I'm not using anymore mykos in my hydro res. Notice I said assume!

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I actually just finished up a tray where I used it again and I'm seeing the same things that I saw the last times I've used it.

I just read something the other day that made me think of this thread. It was about how ammoniacal nitrogen needed bacteria to break it down into a useable form for the plants. That would explain why the product here seemed to make your nutes more potent, the nitrogen was more available because Dyna-gro tends to have a little more nitrogen in this form than other similar products (likely to stabilize ph). Wish I could find the link now...

homebrewer said:

I actually just finished up a tray where I used it again and I'm seeing the same things that I saw the last times I've used it.

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I have several friends that swear by GW. I would love to see the results on your test.

Just read this thread from start to finish. Great info.

Cool, cool. Thumbs up all around. I especially like the clearex test. Should do a molassas side by side next time, @1tablespoon/gallon. I don't use it for carbo. I'm not good at predicting finish time so I just use this for three days before chop. No other flush.

Sencha said:

Cool, cool. Thumbs up all around. I especially like the clearex test. Should do a molassas side by side next time, @1tablespoon/gallon. I don't use it for carbo. I'm not good at predicting finish time so I just use this for three days before chop. No other flush.

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I would never put molasses in any medium I grow in, especially hydro.

Works better than Clerex and you spent x10 on that. Whatever.

Sencha said:

Works better than Clerex and you spent x10 on that. Whatever.

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You leach salts with molasses?

I sure do. A table spoon of molasses has 5.8 g of sucrose, 2.4 g of glucose, and 2.5 g of fructose.

Sugar in, salt out. That's what clearex is too.

I know it's not the same thing, but they used to soak rusted parts in molasses and water to leach the rust. It has it's uses, it's cheap, it works.

Hell, you can even use it in aero. Trust me, I've never seen it clog a sprayer.

Sencha said:

I sure do. A table spoon of molasses has 5.8 g of sucrose, 2.4 g of glucose, and 2.5 g of fructose.

Sugar in, salt out. That's what clearex is too.

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Plants already make their own sugars and anything else that molasses is bringing to the table can be found in plant food bottles for much cheaper. In regards to leaching salts, tap water or RO with a touch of calmag does the job without the negatives that excess carbs can cause in your medium. I'm not a molasses fan for inorganic growing.

I use it for 3-5 days before harvest dude. All it does is help rinse away salt. You can't do that cheaper, and plain sugar water doesn't work. You said you don't flush but you ran a clearex experiment. I don't get it. I'm telling you it works better then clearex and all you would have to do is check it out to see.

The only other thing molasses does is feed micos and add iron. Can't do that any cheaper either.

3 days before harvest is not enough to build up residual carbs.

Sencha said:

I use it for 3-5 days before harvest dude. All it does is help rinse away salt. You can't do that cheaper, and plain sugar water doesn't work. You said you don't flush but you ran a clearex experiment. I don't get it. I'm telling you it works better then clearex and all you would have to do is check it out to see.

The only other thing molasses does is feed micos and add iron. Can't do that any cheaper either.

3 days before harvest is not enough to build up residual carbs.

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Water is cheaper than molasses.

You're right, I don't flush. The clearex experiment was for leaching.

As far as molasses goes, maybe check out the organic section if you're looking for someone to agree with you.

I've used it for the same thing you used the clearex for. Leaching, flushing, no reason to split hairs. With a name like homebrewer I'd think you'd be a little more open to this trick.

Sorry for the bother. Just because it wasn't your idea doesn't make it wrong. I'm not the only one on these boards that does this. If you can make something better then clearex for much less, why not?

Peace.

Molasses is to feed the bennies and get thegoing. No idea what you think is going in. The plant doesnt use it. People should research what they are doing more. Your plant produces its own food for the bennies at the roots. The idea is that they will eat all the molasses before you dump it on your roota,oe res. Sorry on my phone so thats all the time im putting on that.

I have to tell you hb it is very frustrating to be researching a product and then find a thread like this that is testing that product only to spend I don't know how long reading every page only to find out you are not going to give the results because you don't like some of the people on this forum. What about the rest of us that want to know if the stuff is worth our time and money and can't PM you for the answer. I have never met you so there is no reason for you to not like me but you have wasted my time and others because you don't like someone else. Doesn't make a lot of sense from my end.