Tahoe OG in Dual Monster Plant System (Scrog Edition)

lordjin · Oct 15, 2011

Dayzt said:
Very nice, healthy looking girls!! The plant pics are great too by the way..lol... but seriously, great looking clones you got going there - pic 2 is showing how the tops are starting to alternate node branching at the top signifying it's starting to mature more now...can't wait to see these two do thar thang!!

You have a good eye. Thanks for commenting.

323cheezy · Oct 15, 2011

Thats tahoe done right ..... they love your system..i can tell....
Dude is right they take off during flower...
Ive heard some people do the first week or two of flower under floros...
I wouldnt recomend this... but i do think that the hps light (red spec) usually causes allot of stretch in those first couple weeks...
I also like the 3 pedal leaves .... Seeems like an effort by the clones to make another leaf in order to catch more light...

lordjin · Oct 15, 2011

323cheezy said:
Thats tahoe done right ..... they love your system..i can tell....
Dude is right they take off during flower...
Ive heard some people do the first week or two of flower under floros...
I wouldnt recomend this... but i do think that the hps light (red spec) usually causes allot of stretch in those first couple weeks...
I also like the 3 pedal leaves .... Seeems like an effort by the clones to make another leaf in order to catch more light...

I know all about 'taking off during flower.' In fact I know it a little too well. Okay, dude. I won't get too relaxed and will continue to expect the worst. This is the most extreme train job I've done, so at least we know I'm doing what I should be doing.

The three bladed leaves... yeah, I hate to keep talking about the Platinum OG, but these resemble those the most. The Plat was a very small clone with three bladed leaves when I brought it home. It busted out and started producing five bladers pretty fast. These Tahoes are on a slower roll, and their fan leaves aren't as big, so I'm hoping these overall won't be as large as the Platinum OG.

But I can't get over this smell, bro. They smelled when you brought 'em over, but it's like out of this world now. This is the strongest / best smelling veg in all my growing. When I open the doors to check on them or whatever, my face is hit with this amazing smell that has filled the entire box (like plants in bloom). And when I put my nose close to one of the tops for a deep sniff, I'm hit with a very concentrated aroma in my nose. I have big plans for a future grow room, and I don't think I'm gonna look for genetics on my own anymore. Look what you've gotten yourself into.

323cheezy · Oct 15, 2011

I really would like to give u a cut of my high octane og....
Its the rareset of all my genetics.... i dont know anywhere (collective)who has it... not even my club....
A friend on my other site gifted it to me , and made me promise to mother it out...
This was one of those cuts thats old again ... and wasnt really suppose to be released....
i know its the real deal ...cause i saw pics of the mother and the harvest ....
And ive never smelled such a nice smell off a vegger... just like u say the tahoe is....

I have a louie bein mothered out too.... They tend to really produce way more leaves ...and tighter node spacing...
Where tahoe is more of a true og ....and louie is more of a mountain grown kush ... but as og as it gets.....
Id love to see those in your new veg room....and will have u some of those before you know it...

oh dear what have i got myself into ...lol...

My number one rule is ............"spread the genetics"!

great work gin ... im confident that what ever you grow regardless of genetics... will be great ....

lordjin · Oct 15, 2011

323cheezy said:
I really would like to give u a cut of my high octane og....
Its the rareset of all my genetics.... i dont know anywhere (collective)who has it... not even my club....
A friend on my other site gifted it to me , and made me promise to mother it out...
This was one of those cuts thats old again ... and wasnt really suppose to be released....
i know its the real deal ...cause i saw pics of the mother and the harvest ....
And ive never smelled such a nice smell off a vegger... just like u say the tahoe is....

I have a louie bein mothered out too.... They tend to really produce way more leaves ...and tighter node spacing...
Where tahoe is more of a true og ....and louie is more of a mountain grown kush ... but as og as it gets.....
Id love to see those in your new veg room....and will have u some of those before you know it...

oh dear what have i got myself into ...lol...

My number one rule is ............"spread the genetics"!

great work gin ... im confident that what ever you grow regardless of genetics... will be great ....

Much love, Cheeze.

I'm not gonna go all crazy with wild fantasies, but my walk-in flower room is def on the brain for 2012. I'm going to build an undercurrent system for this. I want to see if I can give the pre-builts a run for their money with my own two hands and OSH. I've proven I can build things better than the pre-builts already -- All I need are the uniseals and to really concentrate on water-tightness when I build. I'm also pretty jazzed about putting my own custom signature on the Undercurrent concept... I'll incorporate the low pressure pvc spray system into my UC with a secondary assist pump. Undercurrent? Meet LP Aero. I just gotta be special.

All I know is, when harvest day comes in my new flower room, you and your gf are helping me trim. And an extra pair of hands would help in addition to that. I want to pull a harvest that will take four people eight hours or more to trim. I figure it'll give us all a good amount of 'bonding time.' Lol. And I'll do all this with only six adult plants. And again, this isn't a wild fantasy as I'm pretty confident I could do it with 3000w of light.

Off to the hyrdo store today for some new syringes and more ph up/down. Have a great weekend!

edit:
I'll grow anything you bring me.

inhaleindica · Oct 15, 2011

lordjin said:
You wouldn't by any chance have any photos of said stretchy Tahoe you could post in my journal?

I don't have them anymore. It was all in my old broken phone. I wish I still had them! Ogs love Nitrogen so use them in 4 weeks into flower. When you switch to 12/12 the side branches will shoot up really fast. I had to give my plants away when I was moving and my friend threw the Tahoe OG away because he had a hard time with them. He was new to it and I was bummed and wished he had asked for some advice so I could have had some cuttings back. Oh well at least I have another strain that is growing which is yummy.

Mohican · Oct 15, 2011

Wow - neon flowers!

Here is an example of the problems with organic outside growing:

I go out twice a day wearing my old guy glasses and use a pair of tweezers to pick them off.

Jin - Your ladies look great! Is the shiny leaf skin from using a light or is it a characteristic of this strain?

Cheesy - what strain would you guess mine is? They were from donated seeds.

lordjin · Oct 15, 2011

inhaleindica said:
lordjin said:

You wouldn't by any chance have any photos of said stretchy Tahoe you could post in my journal?

I don't have them anymore. It was all in my old broken phone. I wish I still had them! Ogs love Nitrogen so use them in 4 weeks into flower. When you switch to 12/12 the side branches will shoot up really fast. I had to give my plants away when I was moving and my friend threw the Tahoe OG away because he had a hard time with them. He was new to it and I was bummed and wished he had asked for some advice so I could have had some cuttings back. Oh well at least I have another strain that is growing which is yummy.

Click to expand...

Oh well. Jillybean? Is that what that is? Looks amazing.

Mohican said:

Wow - neon flowers!

Here is an example of the problems with organic outside growing:

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I go out twice a day wearing my old guy glasses and use a pair of tweezers to pick them off.

Jin - Your ladies look great! Is the shiny leaf skin from using a light or is it a characteristic of this strain?

Click to expand...

That sheen you see on the leaves is just an indication of optimum (or very close to it) health. A combination of light, good res conditions, and quality strain.

lordjin · Oct 15, 2011

I just had an idea. In order to combat the stretch, what if I start the 12/12 cycle with the metal halide light in place, and let it flower on that for the first two weeks? Then I'll switch to hps in the third week.

Do any of you think this may adversely impact final yield? Has anyone tried something similar to this?

UnderCurrentDWC · Oct 15, 2011

lordjin said:
I'm going to build an undercurrent system for this. I want to see if I can give the pre-builts a run for their money with my own two hands and OSH. I've proven I can build things better than the pre-builts already -- All I need are the uniseals and to really concentrate on water-tightness when I build. I'm also pretty jazzed about putting my own custom signature on the Undercurrent concept... I'll incorporate the low pressure pvc spray system into my UC with a secondary assist pump. Undercurrent? Meet LP Aero. I just gotta be special.

I just put 8 of my plants in the UC system today. Currently giving them a 36 hour dark cycle, I'll post a few more pics for you when lights come on tomorrow.

An Lp Aero Uc system? I built the "Mike the gardner" Uc/Lp Aero/top drip Tote. http://www.youtube.com/user/SureToGrowers#p/u/2/i5mwOt0ibzI
I used the top drip and Lp aero form cutting to 3 weeks into roots showing through the 6" net pot then switching to Dwc for the rest of veg. On my next go round I'm just going to do DWC from cutting. I liked the way the roots bearded out when I left the bottom of the net pot submerged 1-2 inches for 5 days.
I also didn't really like dealing with the aero manifold.

lordjin · Oct 15, 2011

Dude, that is like totally awesome. I'm totally gonna bug the shit out of you when I'm building. Thanks.

I'm actually thinking of connecting six eighteen gallon totes with an oversized control/return bin. I have the idea of placing a second powerful pump in the control bin to independently power pvc sprayer plumbing. The primary external pump will power the undercurrent through my chiller line. I have it sketched out in my head already and it should work beautifully, giving me the added option of spray cycles when the roots have yet to touch water surface. It may sound like overkill to have sprayers and an undercurrent going at the same time, but I've seen what those sprayers do. A set of massive roots hanging in its own 18 gallon bin, with bare root hang getting sprayed while the submerged bottom roots get undercurrent? That's gonna grow a tree. **Note, I can go crazy with pumps and airstones because my flow will be piped into my chiller which keeps it real cold.

UnderCurrentDWC said:
I just put 8 of my plants in the UC system today. Currently giving them a 36 hour dark cycle, I'll post a few more pics for you when lights come on tomorrow.

An Lp Aero Uc system? I built the "Mike the gardner" Uc/Lp Aero/top drip Tote. http://www.youtube.com/user/SureToGrowers#p/u/2/i5mwOt0ibzI
I used the top drip and Lp aero form cutting to 3 weeks into roots showing through the 6" net pot then switching to Dwc for the rest of veg. On my next go round I'm just going to do DWC from cutting. I liked the way the roots bearded out when I left the bottom of the net pot submerged 1-2 inches for 5 days.
I also didn't really like dealing with the aero manifold.

Gifted · Oct 15, 2011

lordjin said:
Okay I let them go just about 36 hours in the light. They look like they could use a little rest, so I started the 18/6 cycle. I always give new clones an extended light period when I first plant them.

I've noticed, though, that the six hour dark period is a real catalyst in terms of stimulating growth. That darkness activity is pretty important -- in flower and veg. That's why I don't agree with 24/7 lights for veg. I think it stresses the plant.

Lordjin! I'm happy to see you've started again because I'm about to start another one as well, your girls look great by the way. Anyways, about what you said in this quote, do you think a 24/7 light schedule stresses the plant because you have an 1000w MH blazing down on them? Because I plan on rolling with a 200w cfl for veg and I was initially going to do 24/7 light schedule, but you made me rethink myself. They only thing I worry about is I am going to start from seed and even though it is feminized, I'd be very upset if my plant herms or turns male. I worry about this because I am going to super crop and train, which you know is stress training but I don't want the stress to once again cause my plant to herm. Just curious as to your thoughts, and I wish the best for these beautiful little ladies.

Gifted · Oct 15, 2011

lordjin said:
I just had an idea. In order to combat the stretch, what if I start the 12/12 cycle with the metal halide light in place, and let it flower on that for the first two weeks? Then I'll switch to hps in the third week.

Do any of you think this may adversely impact final yield? Has anyone tried something similar to this?

I'm no expert, but personally I would only use an HPS for flowering. I know you can use MH for flowering but I feel like it just isn't the right light the plant needs for flowering. I'm sure you could do it and run into no problem. But I'm not one to take risk like that, I'd rather let someone else try it first. And your screen should really help with height issues, if there even would be any.

Mohican · Oct 15, 2011

Hi Jin,
I have a couple more pictures from today. One is a side branch on the big plant:

There are several of these and they are bigger than the main cola. The next picture is the trichs on the small plant:

They are definitely getting cloudy. However, there still are not any amber ones.

Going to go spark one.....

Cheers

lordjin · Oct 15, 2011

Gifted said:
Lordjin! I'm happy to see you've started again because I'm about to start another one as well, your girls look great by the way. Anyways, about what you said in this quote, do you think a 24/7 light schedule stresses the plant because you have an 1000w MH blazing down on them? Because I plan on rolling with a 200w cfl for veg and I was initially going to do 24/7 light schedule, but you made me rethink myself. They only thing I worry about is I am going to start from seed and even though it is feminized, I'd be very upset if my plant herms or turns male. I worry about this because I am going to super crop and train, which you know is stress training but I don't want the stress to once again cause my plant to herm. Just curious as to your thoughts, and I wish the best for these beautiful little ladies.

Thanks much, Gifted. I wouldn't worry as much about a 24/7 light schedule with a good cfl. I have a slightly different situation because my 1000w mh is very stressful on a little clone or seedling. Just get a good strong veg going, and train gradually. Don't just yank your plants down like I do. Be gentle and you won't herm.

Gifted said:
I'm no expert, but personally I would only use an HPS for flowering. I know you can use MH for flowering but I feel like it just isn't the right light the plant needs for flowering. I'm sure you could do it and run into no problem. But I'm not one to take risk like that, I'd rather let someone else try it first. And your screen should really help with height issues, if there even would be any.

Hot dammit, I'm gonna take your advice.

Mohican said:
Hi Jin,
I have a couple more pictures from today. One is a side branch on the big plant:

There are several of these and they are bigger than the main cola. The next picture is the trichs on the small plant:

They are definitely getting cloudy. However, there still are not any amber ones.

Going to go spark one.....

Cheers

Spark one for me. Ain't nothin' like the sun's love. Those are super sugary.

lordjin · Oct 15, 2011

Here they are right after their water change. I rate AN pretty high on the veg quality. The green is deep and rich. The natural purple of the plants is striking. The aroma is heaven. I'm excited about using "Kushie Kush" in flower.

The magnificent P1 in action:

Look how that main stem is tree-trunking in a hurry. That lowest branch is thickening fast, too. Aren't two headed plants great? It might actually be a three header.

First sign of five bladers on P2

And solo aerial shots of the girls.

We'll know a lot more as we see next week's growth. Are you having as much fun as I'm having?

lordjin · Oct 15, 2011

Not surprisingly, the AN up/down runs a bit more accurately and it takes less to make the res respond. The ph overall is much more stable using the AN with the AN. So it does make a difference.

So far I gotta say, overall AN is the superior product. Sorry, AN haters.

lordjin · Oct 15, 2011

Sure hope my neighbor doesn't notice the sun shield missing on his car.

The relentless blaze of the 1000w mh causes algae to form on the underside of my tub lid. This only happens at the ends of the lid where the moisture is greatest. The reflective shields come off later when there's more shade from the foliage.

lordjin · Oct 16, 2011

Noticed a tiny bit of nute burn on a leaf of plant one so I dialed it way down from 650ppm to 510ppm. I figure it's burn caused from riding at 570ppm last week.

kevin murphy · Oct 16, 2011

looking great mate..keep it up greenthumbs...

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