Tahoe OG in Dual Monster Plant System (Scrog Edition)

Love the grow, always nice to see someone super-cropping with such success.
What is your estimated veg time gonna be?
Heard you say you have an A/C unit what kind? and how is it setup?
Ive considered re routing one of my existing air vents into my grow room.
or would i be better of with a A/C window unit?
Swamp coolers a no go just to humid

hope thats not to many questions

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lrg said:

Love the grow, always nice to see someone super-cropping with such success.
What is your estimated veg time gonna be?
Heard you say you have an A/C unit what kind? and how is it setup?
Ive considered re routing one of my existing air vents into my grow room.
or would i be better of with a A/C window unit?
Swamp coolers a no go just to humid

hope thats not to many questions

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Thaks for reading.

It's a small 5000 btu window mount. I (well my friend and I) cut a "window" in the metal cabinet and mounted the thing on brackets as if the cabinet is a tiny room. My friend is a structural engineer who does metal fabrication for machine parts in his free time. He cut all the holes per my specs and he only yelled at me once through the whole process! Lol. Once we had it in place we secured it with screws and sealed with weather strip. I knew this was the only way I'd be able to burn a 1000w in a small metal enclosure (4x2 to be exact) without cooking my plants and boiling my water. It was a gamble. But it works. And it is now my primary advantage over most small indoor growers.

I'll veg for the rest of this week and see what's going on then.

How big is your grow room? A standard window mount (slightly bigger than the one I'm using) should do you fine. If not, one of those stand up models with the venting ducts that go to the window or door... No swamp coolers... those are junk for growing.

Do you have a wide angle pic of your grow cab jin?

Truly perfect advise I've had my heart set on better cooling for the grow room.
these 5,000 btu units are very well priced

Artic Air King for $120

I think ill buy two one fore each closet

There is one window coming into the basement may just place it there or mount to inner wall of closet
I might duct the unit right to 1000 watt hps in the flower room


Flower Room
is 9' long 3' 1/2 wide and 6' tall

Veg Room
5' long 3' 1/2 wide and 6' tall

UnderCurrentDWC said:

Do you have a wide angle pic of your grow cab jin?

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I'm at work at the moment, but I do have this I can show you right now.

Just imagine a small window mount ac face behind that stand of branches. It's there, believe me. Lol.

Don't remember you mentioning recently what your ppm's are, now that you've added that tea stuff. Are they higher now?

lrg said:

Truly perfect advise I've had my heart set on better cooling for the grow room.
these 5,000 btu units are very well priced

Artic Air King for $120

I think ill buy two one fore each closet

There is one window coming into the basement may just place it there or mount to inner wall of closet
I might duct the unit right to 1000 watt hps in the flower room


Flower Room
is 9' long 3' 1/2 wide and 6' tall

Veg Room
5' long 3' 1/2 wide and 6' tall

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Yeah, those are good. If you can vent your ac's air directly on your bulb, that will indeed kick ass.

AC's are the indoor hid grower's best friend.

daveroller said:

Don't remember you mentioning recently what your ppm's are, now that you've added that tea stuff. Are they higher now?

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Ah, see? There's no getting anything by you, Dave.

That compost tea is a completely organic product, so I wasn't really sure what was gonna happen, and not surprisingly, it's erratic as far as ppms. I was at 510ppm from the Sensi Grow and Calmag and Hygrozyme (although the Hygro doesn't do much to raise your ppm) before I added 39ml of the tea (quarter strength for my amount of water). At first the tea raised it from 510 to 550-560ppm. I thought that was that but about ten hours later, the ppm jumped to 650-660ppm. Now this might make a grower of lesser experience panic, but since this organic stuff is new to me, I thought to leave it and just see what happens before thinking of doing anything.

It's currently steady at 660ppm. It almost seemed like a 'timed release' of ppms with the organics.

lordjin said:

Ah, see? There's no getting anything by you, Dave.

That compost tea is a completely organic product, so I wasn't really sure what was gonna happen, and not surprisingly, it's erratic as far as ppms. I was at 510ppm from the Sensi Grow and Calmag and Hygrozyme (although the Hygro doesn't do much to raise your ppm) before I added 39ml of the tea (quarter strength for my amount of water). At first the tea raised it from 510 to 550-560ppm. I thought that was that but about ten hours later, the ppm jumped to 650-660ppm. Now this might make a grower of lesser experience panic, but since this organic stuff is new to me, I thought to leave it and just see what happens before thinking of doing anything.

It's currently steady at 660ppm. It almost seemed like a 'timed release' of ppms with the organics.

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I've noticed an increase in ppms too after I feed my plants. Come back a few hours after feeding and it tends to jump up or down a little depending on how much water is in my res. I don't think it's time released... I think it's just a matter of it mixing with your res water.

Slivers said:

I've noticed an increase in ppms too after I feed my plants. Come back a few hours after feeding and it tends to jump up or down a little depending on how much water is in my res. I don't think it's time released... I think it's just a matter of it mixing with your res water.

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Yes, but this ppm rise isn't like any I've seen before. I added the tea and it rose by 50ppm and stayed there. 10 hours later, it rose by 100ppm. Regular chemical nutes don't do this. And the amount of water in my res always stays constant.

Note that the amount of circulation in my res registers any change in the res instantly. So if I add more nute, it mixes right away and it shows in my ppm reading right away. There is no slow dispersal in my res. That's why this is unusual.

Here is another vote for the grow book! Love your journal. I started on RIU looking for info about Mowie Wowie and Kauai Electric and then I got sucked in to Kev's Doggie nuggets story. When I saw your setup I was totally impressed. I love to see people make their own systems and yours is primo!

Yesterday I read a story in here by a guy who is growing in a speaker! Talk about ingenuity!

Mohican said:

Here is another vote for the grow book! Love your journal. I started on RIU looking for info about Mowie Wowie and Kauai Electric and then I got sucked in to Kev's Doggie nuggets story. When I saw your setup I was totally impressed. I love to see people make their own systems and yours is primo!

Yesterday I read a story in here by a guy who is growing in a speaker! Talk about ingenuity!

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Thanks for the kind comments, friend.

I'm nuts about the tiniest details. Sometimes I just start doing something without any clue if it's actually possible. This has gotten me into trouble a few times, but when I have my moments, I have my moments.

I like the people who grow in their showers. They probably don't smell the best, but I'm sure their plants smell great.

Mohican said:

Here is another vote for the grow book! Love your journal. I started on RIU looking for info about Mowie Wowie and Kauai Electric and then I got sucked in to Kev's Doggie nuggets story. When I saw your setup I was totally impressed. I love to see people make their own systems and yours is primo!

Yesterday I read a story in here by a guy who is growing in a speaker! Talk about ingenuity!

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Grow book! GROW BOOOOK. Jin, if you made it 20 to 30 bucks I'd buy it right away...

One thing I'd like to see in your grow room is some CO2 . Any plans for a tank and regulator in the future? Imagine the savage growth and explosion of resin production ^_^

lordjin said:

Yes, but this ppm rise isn't like any I've seen before. I added the tea and it rose by 50ppm and stayed there. 10 hours later, it rose by 100ppm. Regular chemical nutes don't do this. And the amount of water in my res always stays constant.

Note that the amount of circulation in my res registers any change in the res instantly. So if I add more nute, it mixes right away and it shows in my ppm reading right away. There is no slow dispersal in my res. That's why this is unusual.

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I wonder if it might have something to do with it being a tea. The longer tea steeps, the stronger it gets... And you've got a whole res full of water to steep in.

I know that may sound silly, but when logic escapes you, that's when you have to start thinking outside the box.

HiImNick said:

Grow book! GROW BOOOOK. Jin, if you made it 20 to 30 bucks I'd buy it right away...

One thing I'd like to see in your grow room is some CO2 . Any plans for a tank and regulator in the future? Imagine the savage growth and explosion of resin production ^_^

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I'll think about it.

I actually have a 50lb tank I'm saving for my walk-in flower room. There's so much air exchange in my box that co2 injection is neither practical nor necessary.

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Ha ha ha ha! I just realized your screen name is Hi I'm Nick, and not HILMNICK.

ChairmanMaow said:

I wonder if it might have something to do with it being a tea. The longer tea steeps, the stronger it gets... And you've got a whole res full of water to steep in.

I know that may sound silly, but when logic escapes you, that's when you have to start thinking outside the box.

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I like that.

But coming along nicely just the same.


Boom! You gotta want it, girl... You gotta want it!


Hey, Cheeze. These are babies alright. They need to be charmed and coaxed just like human girls. I'm taking it another week over my usual veg time to get 'em to beef up that screen. This is def a different kind of strain. Very interesting to work with. Just as I thought, very well suited for trellising. It's almost as if they sense the screen and know what to do.


And the magnificent main top on the little P2.

Sorry about the cat hair again. My box sucks air like a vacuum.

lordjin said:

I like the people who grow in their showers. They probably don't smell the best, but I'm sure their plants smell great.

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Oh the memories....lol...



...rub-a-dub-dub, six gals in a tub!

Im waiting for my seed to sprout and im starting a scrog. Im not sure how i want to train it to fill the screen though

Dayzt said:

Oh the memories....lol...

...rub-a-dub-dub, six gals in a tub!

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Wow, what a spot-on response. Rep for that. And I'm sure you smell fine. Lol.

Gifted said:

Im waiting for my seed to sprout and im starting a scrog. Im not sure how i want to train it to fill the screen though

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Yeah, it's not quite as intuitive with a seed plant. I've seen a lot of seed plant scroggers chop the main top multiple times allowing the side branches to dominate. That's one method. I, personally, don't like decapitating my plants.

I finally feel like I'm a de-virginized grower now that I'm scrogging. I gotta tell ya, this is awesome on so many different levels. There is so much strategy involved, that it really satisfies the obsessive tinkerer in all of us growers. I'm having great fun planning each tuck. See how each bend gives an optimum position to the smaller branch just underneath? And as the tip gets a little taller, I simply tuck into the next grid square. I'm having so much fun!

See the nute burn on the tip of that leaf? These girls are something else. I dialed it down to 600ppm when I got home, but after spotting that, I took it down to 510-520ppm. That is unheard of for this stage of growth in my experience. But that's what the plants are telling me! The upshot of that slight nute burn is that I know they're feeding at maximum. See everyone? This is the huge advantage of having the trimeter and auto-topper to precisely dial in your ppm depending on what the plants want. Complete and utter control of your plants... you can't beat it.

I was joking around with an old pro at another thread about how we obsessively stare at and mess with our grow areas. I was trying to act all cool, but when he admitted that he still stares at his plants like a noob, I fessed up and admitted that I do too. Scrogging adds just another layer to that obsessive behavior. Good thing I'm a seasoned veteran and so can contain my excitement. Yeah right... there I go again.

Wow, only 520ppm. Didn't you mention something about never exceeding 900ppm with these, Cheeze? I'm starting to believe you. They're pretty big already and I dare not exceed 550ppm at this point. Wild.


The smell isn't just getting stronger, it's changing. This is top notch shit. Not nearly the most monstrous I've ever seen in this here box, but I'm glad for that. I'll take extra long to veg out that screen before letting that orange monster light do its thing.

The screen definitely seems to be making them grow in a slower, more controlled way. Not like these monsters. Platinum on the right. Don't bother comparing to the plant on the left because that's a Blackberry Kush that's entirely different. But they were both out of control. I think Cheezy's clones look more refined even if less monstrous.

Y'see how that Plat on the right kinda looks similar to the Tahoe but not as purple?