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    subcool Well-Known Member


    Romulan is one of those strains that has almost
    mythical status among growers and when I started
    doing research I found out there is not that much info
    available. First off I dug around at the old BCGA website
    and found this:
    "It has been one of Vancouver Island's best kept
    secrets for a few years. Up till about 18 months ago,
    Romulan Joe from the island was all Vancouver knew
    of Romulan. Then I showed about 18 months ago at
    HBC with some bud and photos looking for advice
    about good genetics to cross it with. Boy did I create
    a commotion. I was offered some serious dollars for
    a clone. I said no but that I would be happy to work
    something out with some seeds.
    For you breeders, take note that 18 months ago, Vancouver
    breeders did not have access to Romulan
    genetics. At that time both the Romulan that Joe was
    bringing to Vancouver and my Romulan was the
    same bud. About six months ago I returned and Vancouver's
    Romulan was now more potent than mine
    but had lost some of its flavor". Vic High
    It's no secret that Vic is one of my favorite breeders and
    the fact he worked with Romulan already makes it special
    and then this year I was lucky enough to meet someone
    that has the cut and grows it in a green house each
    year. The first bud I sampled was really impressive with a
    perfume oily smell that really got my attention from the
    very first bong hit. Pure Romulan is supposed to be a very
    stable plant that produces very uniform F1 hybrids. This
    combined with its amazing flavor prompted us to create
    a Hybrid using this clone only female Romulan and Space
    Queen. This will lock down the Romulan traits in large
    numbers and add some of the Romulan Funk to the sibling
    outcross. When we first got a cutting of the Romulan
    I was surprised at how slow it grew and initially I got a
    very poor yield but as I got to know her I learned she
    liked a lot of attention requiring additional time in veg
    and lots of shaping and bondage to form multiple tops
    and a wide bush. The first time I budded her I did not give
    her ample vegetive time and my yield was very low. I
    almost culled the plant but the smoke tasted so good and

    the buzz was so pleasant that I gave her another chance
    and asked Jem777 for another cutting. He was running
    out of room at his grow so instead of a cutting he shows
    up with a 24" trained bush complete with LST and
    bondage. I had no room in the budding area so I continued
    to veg her until she was like 40" tall with 6 heads by
    the time my crop finished and I made room for her. I
    placed her under the 400 watt HPS with side lighting
    from both 1000 watt hoods on the sides and she just
    loved the cool temps and 1200 PPM of co2 I run in my
    bud room. She packed on the buds by week six and the
    smell was just unbelievable anytime you got close to her
    at all the fuck would just drift over and slap you in the
    face. She started fading around 50 days so I topped
    dressed the container with super soil and fed her some
    organic bloom solution as well as loading her with sugars.
    She continued to mature and by day 60 she was carpeted
    with oily resin glands that were about 40% amber
    telling me she was ready to harvest.
    Using this method I was able to increase her yield to just
    under 5 ounces in Super Soil. Romulan has quickly
    become one of our new favorite night time smokes. It has
    a awesome flavor and the Indica make up is perfect for un
    winding in the evening hours. It tends to bring on the
    munchies and a session is usually followed by a chocolate
    snack. Romulan will be staying around here as stash and
    also as one of our new mother plants.
    1) Phenotypes – Clone Only
    2) Height- Short stocky branchy plant
    3) Yield- better than average with proper training
    4) Indoor/Outdoor/Greenhouse
    5) Best way to grow- Multiple topping and training
    into a wide bush
    6) Harvest Window- 8 weeks
    7) Sativa/Indica 30/70
    8) Hybrid- BGCA Original
    9) High type- Heavy and comforting great for sleep
    and relaxation
    10) Smells Floral and Oily with a spicy pine after
    11) Comments Thanks Vic High!


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    subcool Well-Known Member

    By Subcool

    There is a great deal of interest in the strains created by the grower Chemdawg. The story goes like this. At a Grateful Dead show at Deer Creek Amphitheatre, 'joebrand' (aka 'wonkanobe') and 'pbud' met 'chemdog' and sold him an ounce of very high quality pot for $500. joe and chemdog exchanged numbers and they later arranged for two ounces to be shipped to chemdog on the east coast. According to chemdog, one ounce was seedless and the other had 13 seeds.

    In ’91, chemdog popped the first 4 seeds. From these seeds, one male was found and disposed of. The 3 females were labeled ‘chemdawg’ (now ’91 chemdawg), ‘chemdawg a’ (now chemdawg’s sister), and ‘chemdawg b’. In '01, chemdog and his girlfriend attempted to germ 3 more seeds, labeled ‘c’, ‘d’, and ‘e’. the ‘e’ seed never germinated, ‘c’ turned out to be junk (according to chemdog), and chemdawg ‘d’ was the keeper. In '06, 'chemdog' and 'joebrand' reunited and joe was given 4 of the last 6 beans: Chemdawg phenos 1-4, '4' being the chosen keeper. Joe thought the '4' was the best representation of the original and thus dubbed it the 'reunion pheno'. Chemdog still has two seeds left in his stash.

    Chemdog' and friends made several other crosses that are held closely by a small group of friends and acquaintances. Among them are:

    1. Super Snowdawg (Bubble Chem x [Super skunk x Oregon Sno])
    2. Giesel (Chem D x Mass Super Skunk)
    3. Bubble Chem (Chemdawg’s Sister x Sag's Bubbleberry)
    4. Dawg Daze aka ChemHaze (Chem D x ’93 Sensi's NL#5/Haze)
    5. Chemdawg D x Pbud (another old-school Colorado strain)

    In August of 2006 Chemdog came out to visit Mzjill and myself to swap stories and have a smoke out. It was a fantastic party with late night bubble sessions and everyone got along great and Jills cookies worked her magic. Chem is a super nice guy as is his entire family and we hit if off like old friends. During the festivities Chem and I slipped upstairs and traded some goodies so that I could do one of my famous Live Photo/Taste sessions.
    It went on to be one of the most viewed threads at the time at Breedbay. You can view the original thread in the Hall of Fame @

    Chem was more than generous giving me the largest buds of many of the samples. The quality of each sample was very good. Cured well and not green even shipped around theses samples were all top shelf. These are the strains he had with him.

    Super Snow Dawg
    Sour Diesel
    OG Kush
    Chemdawgs Sister
    Mass Super Skunk
    Mendo Purps
    Chemdawg D
    Jacks Cleaner
    Jacks Cleaner
    Purple Kush
    Master Kush
    Dawg Days
    Head band

    Now we had a proper smoke out but I am better judging at my own speed with a clean bong and some strong coffee early in the morning. I can test two strains per day properly any more and the high’s just mix together and you can’t tell the slight differences in each bud sample. My Original Toke notes from

    Ok first hit….
    The flavor is not really something I can put a name on other than I really loved the initial intake. It kind of reminds me of the White Russian sample I had at Ruskia before WR started sucking. I coughed a few times and then smiled let me dive into this a bit.
    I really like this but it would be nice if I could describe its flavor to you guys I am gonna have to stick with DANK for now.
    Hit #2
    Slight skunk on my finger tips, if all the samples are this good this is going to be a warm up to the Cannabis cup except with Real Cannabis! Its totally yummy now that my lungs have warmed up but the delicious taste just came through in and out I like this bud a lot and I am already stoned as hell and considering the amount of THC we consumed last night that’s pretty impressive.
    Hit #3
    Sub takes a breath, hey it’s hard work but it is my job to bring you the latest Cannabis info… The third bowl brought tears to my eyes so it must be some pretty serious dank I am trying to move to the second strain but I am gonna enjoy this buzz awhile.
    [h=1]Chemdawg[/h]The second strain I decided to test was the famous Chemdawg that draws so much attention. It’s the strain on every growers to do list right now. It is a heavy Indica with a crushing stone. It has a much different smell than the Snowdawg I can catch traces of pungent funk similar to the Grimm stuff. Sample appears to have been grown a good while ago and leans towards golden rather than green. A very well cured bud.
    This smoke is thicker and burned my nose at first then I coughed really hard. Ok either its considerably stronger or the fact I am 4 bowls deep at 8 am but I am pretty stoned, I can feel the tug of the 4th bowl over the first three but I liked the flavor of the Snowdawg more at this point.


    This is a Pheno that has a more pungent smell and taste and to me I taste Cindy99 in it but that’s just a flavor now I associate with fruity type sour strains. Although similar to the Dawg itself I think I like this one as much if not more. If I am not as in depth now on the thread it’s because I am stoned as shit!

    Second Try:
    To be honest this is more sour tasting to me than the SD and it has a nice spicy undertone and I am going to say this may be my second favorite. I am going to have a few bowls of this, as this is promising, I was so high this am by this one I couldn’t tell.
    Second hit
    Although the smoke is super thick I don't have any problems holding in a large hit, the buzz is very nice and the exhale is pleasant.

    Sour Diesel
    I found it to be really more dieselish that anything and certainly not that sour based on my gear but it left that oily taste on my tongue I heard about and it hit me pretty hard in the back of the head. This is where I had to take a small break. Basically ripped out of my gourd on everything. After a brief nap and smoked more of the SD in the afternoon, later after a shower with clean head, I like the buzz but It’s not a sweet enough strain for me so far the Snowdawg is my favorite.

    The SD reminds me of thick old Shrimp Boat Colombo from the bilge but that makes the sample sound shitty and you can see by the pics that’s far from the case. It is very hard to judge Chems weed because it keeps fucking me up. By Hit three I find it hard to continue.

    Chem Dog D
    I'd like to again thank Chemdawg its been a long time since I had this many samples it will takes a few more days to complete this so don't bail on me some of the more interesting ones I am saving to do solo.
    Excellent rock hard sample
    Now this smells like diesel big time like an old dirty rag in a gas station with a hint of garlic underneath. Very peculiar.
    Hit #1 ( First of the Day)
    Like many of Chems selections the smoke is think and oily instead of light and fruity, A slight burn in my sinuses is present and I am instantly stoned.
    It seems Chems focus has been on insanely potent strains.

    If I do a report on everything he brought it would take up the whole magazine so I am focusing on the most well known of his strains mainly Snodawg.

    Other strains I liked were Headband and of coarse the genius sample was just amazing. The Sister was very similar to the ChemD and it was getting very hard for me to tell the strains apart by this time. Other than the Headband and Snodawg I found most of the samples very similar. The ChemD was so strong we started calling it ‘Goobers Rag” as it really did smell like one of those old red rags a station attendant will carry in his back pocket. Over the next year I had the opportunity to grow out several of these crosses but I am really a taste guy and the thick oily flavors of most of this gear just didn’t suit me but the one strain Snodawg was hard for me to forget, as a grower I always am curious as to what a elite cut will taste like grown by me in my soil.

    Early this year I was able to grab a cutting of the Snodawg and set about growing her out.
    She grew easily and also cloned very fast. The plant stays short in veg and once topped she forms a really nice multi headed bush without much training at all. Once placed into 12/12 her stretch is minimal and she only increases in height about 30%. She has very wide Indica shaped leaves and I removed the larger ones to allow light to penetrate down to the lower second shelf buds.

    The plant started fading by day 40, which indicates she is a heavy feeding plant as she was placed in my concentrated Super Soil that has plenty of nutrients for most of the varieties I grow. I top dressed the container with more super soil and gave her a feeding to slow down the yellowing and on future runs I will increase the amount of concentrate I use on her. By day 60 she had a beautiful Red and Yellow fade and just a really nice fruity Indica smell. The buds were full and hard and we harvested her at day 65 when about 40% of her Trichomes had turned amber. The buds were air dried for 7 days then placed in open glass jars until the stems started snapping when bent. This indicates enough moisture has evaporated and its now time to place lids on the jar. After 3 weeks the buds had loft all of there green smell and now had a slightly fruity smell that reminded me a lot of White Widow. The smoke is very think and Oily and Strong, just a few bowls and you are very high! We smoked a joint at week 4 curing and it was hard to finish between two of us and afterwards we sat still just staring off into space for a good hour. I still think the cross could use more resin as it makes very little Sugar leaf but this is common for dense buds like this.

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    Timewasmoney1 New Member

    Gotta to argree man Sour D is some nasty crap!!! I dont understand how anyone likes it. I think i took 2 big bowl hits of it and had to deny a 3rd

    Confucious Active Member

    OMG, it just brings me back like two years ago when my homie came to the house with some ChemD and only got it cuz the grower was out of the East Coast Sour D. Anyways top five smokes of my life, this was in Colorado area as well. Correct me if I'm wrong sub, but isn't ChemD the mother to the East Coast Sour D
    Big Trees

    Big Trees Well-Known Member

    I smoked some sour from Newark and I couldn't walk straight after smoking it, I kept drifting left or right. Never smoked sour like that before and have had many examples.

    facemelter Member


    You clearly are not getting real SD because even if it wasn't a strain you liked it would be the furthest thing from crap you have ever smoked. I have the "clone only" ECSD cut. It came to MICH from Ohio via the creator of dethstar (SD x sensi star), at least my cut did. You do get sick of it quite quickly, but W/o a tolerances to it, the taste and quality of smoke stands with the best of elite strains. Its like strait pink grapefruit and skunk yummm....

    subcool Well-Known Member

    FYI I deff have the real ECSD cutting and to me it taste like shit!
    MzJill and Dioxide love it, to each there own :)

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    Confucious Active Member

    Not sure if you have a real cut of ECSD. Just saying cuz it doesn't smell like grapefruit to me ,more diesel and skunky smell with lemon afternotes. Also I'd like to know how you got the ohio crew to bring you a cut, cuz I know their family and they have stayed at my house and they are pretty tight about their cuts. Also NYCD is more grapefruity. I know cuz I grow it.

    facemelter Member

    I didnt say it smells like grapefruit. its tastes like it. Smells more like chem and skunks with the floral citrus undertone, but the flavor is grapefruit all the way. NYCD def has the more pronounced GF smell. I can guarantee that my ecsd is the "real clone". It smokes any Sd I have ever seen, from dispensaries or other growers/private dealers I have coped off of over the years.

    I have actually had someone tell me it tastes like onion.... IDK about that.

    Confucious Active Member

    so that would make more sense to me with the citrus undertone or afternotes, but at first it sounded like you were explaining NYCD. onions now thats wierd.

    subcool Well-Known Member

    [h=1]I decided to create this Space-dawg and give all the seeds away for free. A certain smartass breeder that sells a Snowdawg BX pissed me off and it inspired me to shake up things, make a better Snowdawg hybrid and just give it away. In Snowdawg part 1 I detailed its creation as well as the history of many of Chemdawgs other famous strains. During a visit from Chem I was able to sample a large variety and I wrote a article based on this experience. The first story covered strains like:[/h]Super Snow Dawg
    Sour Diesel
    OG Kush
    Chemdawgs Sister
    Mass Super Skunk
    Chemdawg D
    Dawg Days
    Head band
    [h=1]In the first article I used information I found by doing research online. I found a post that detailed how Wonkanobe and Pbud met chemdawg and sold him an ounce of high quality pot for 500$ He found a few seeds in some of the buds and popped the first 4 seeds. The information went into detail about the following crosses:[/h]1. Super Snowdawg (Bubble Chem x [Super skunk x Oregon Sno])
    2. Giesel (Chem D x Mass Super Skunk)
    3. Bubble Chem (Chemdawg’s Sister x Sag's Bubbleberry)
    4. Dawg Daze aka ChemHaze (Chem D x ’93 Sensi's NL#5/Haze)
    5. Chemdawg D x Pbud (another old-school Colorado strain)

    [h=1]I like Cannabis history to be very accurate so I quoted the information verbatim. When the article came out in Skunk someone named “High & Lonesome” contacted Mamakind and accused me of stealing the entire article. The facts are I used 274 words that I took from online and actually wrote 1651 words myself. Regardless I made things write and he was paid at my rate for every word. He declined a signed book from me as he considers me a hack. I wanted the real story to come out to clear my name, I am never at a loss for words I just wanted the facts to be correct. Personally I think the guys a moron admitting to a cash drug deal and maybe that’s why the article was filed under “Guest” and not a Nickname I could name as a resource.[/h][h=1]The Snodawg was my favorite of the samples by far and I was hoping to improve the resin profile and increase the speed of vegative growth. I choose our Space Queen male, knowing he would increase the potency based on his contributions to other crosses he has been part of. Over the last several months we have collected test data from growers and I am very happy with the results.[/h]
    [h=1]I would like to thank Ocanabis one of my official testers for all the hard work and amazing photography on this project. A predict you will see more of his talented pictures in print very soon. Other growers helped me with grow reports and smoke reports and I would like to thank all of them as well. Over 200 growers received a pack of Space-Dawgs absolutely free in different contest or giveaways put on by TGA distributors. I also donated a huge sack of seeds to the local medical co-op OGF.[/h]
    [h=1]The first grow reports appeared online in October as the first seeds started poking through the soil, Ocanabis started just 6 seeds and had a 100% germ rate. They were grown under a 200 Watt CFL and remained there for the first few weeks until transplanting where they were moved under a 400watt Metal Halide for more vegging and training. After the first week they were fed using Advanced Nutrients line of organics as well as Fulvic and Humic Acids. These are to promote a stronger root and stem structure. At just two weeks the plants were very wide and stocky with nice thick stems. Three of the plants were perfect and 2 had slight mutations possible damage during the seedling stage. After 16 days of Vegative growth Ocanabis had them on the following nutrient schedule:[/h]
    Mix per 4 liters of water

    4 ml Fulvic

    4 ml Humic
    4 ml B-52
    60 ml Met Tea-Grow
    5 ml B. Strap Mollases
    5 ml L. Karma
    PH at 6.4-6.5

    Fed once a week and water in between

    [h=1]Day 40 revealed 3 nice females with 3 un-indicated as of yet and all had a short Indica look with wide fan leaves and nice side branching. After 52 days of growth another plant indicated female and Ocanabis added some Iguana Juice to his regiment. All of the plants were very uniform bushes with tight internodes and very sturdy stems. They had now reached the point where the growing shoots had alternating nodes indicated sexual maturity. The plants were officially placed into bloom at the 60 day mark under 1200 watts of HPS Power. After just a few days in the new area the last female indicated making five females from six seeds tested.[/h]
    Once the plant had been budding for 2 weeks a new feeding schedule was implemented.
    Mix pr 4 l (1 gal) water

    4 ml Fulvic
    4 ml Humic
    4 ml B-52
    40 ml Met Tea- Bloom
    4 ml Iguana Juice-Bloom
    5 ml Molases
    Ph is/was adjusted to 6.4

    The plants responded well and visible trichomes were already forming as the first buds starting filling in. After 4 weeks of budding the plants started taking on characteristics that allowed Ocanabis to start selecting his favorite plants based on smell and structure. He described it as the smell of Juicy Fruit Gum only 10X stronger! The plants all formed nice bushes with four main branches and a large number of both inner and outer lower branching.
    After 6 weeks in blooming the plants looked incredible taking on attributes of Snowdawgs smell and Space Queens resin profile. The fruity aromas got stronger and the resin completely covered all of the plants making them look like they were covered in morning Dew but in fact it was THC latent resin! Even the outer fan leaves had resin. At day 46 Ocanabis started his final flush and also used stakes to help support the colas that were starting to sag under their own weight. He reported smells ranging from Bubblegum to Lemon Candy and also Fruit Punch, he was having a very hard time picking his favorite at this point.
    Harvest day came at day 57 or 8 weeks just the time we like all of our hybrids to finish at. A plant has to be ultra special to warrant longer than 9 weeks in our gardens. All of the females looked like they were covered in Diamond Dust at harvest and even the smallest yielding plant was encrusted with resin and had a thick smell.
    The first smoke report on this strain was turned in by Janjaweed a grower at the forums on Breedbay and he was also very impressed. This is his smoke report:
    <10> Potency
    <10> Taste
    <10> Smoothness (1 = harsh 10 = smooth)
    <8> Indica Influence
    <5> Sativa Influence
    <1> Effect Onset (1 = immediate 10 = super creeper)
    <2-3> Duration (In hours)
    <2> Tolerance Buildup (1 = slow 10 = fast)
    <10> Overall Satisfaction
    These buds are tasty and full of flavor, but they are also very potent so
    much that it numbs your head and after a few bowls my teeth were numb, like i had just been to the dentist
    chunks of analgesic grapefruit, more of Indica effect. if you have pain this will kill it lol
    people with low tolerance should be careful not to over indulge as it may cause them green outs and nausea.
    Medicinal Strength: 11++
    <X> YES, favorite is staying indefinitely.

    Everyone seems to love this strain and that makes this project to me very rewarding. My main goal was to work with Chems Snowdawg and see if I could improve its resin profile somewhat and we were very successful. My other goal was to simply do something no other Breeder had done before than I know of, to create a new strain for the fun of it and give every seed away to the growing community. The cries to make more have already started but I have already passed the mother plant on to another medical grower who likes Indicas. For me the fun was gifting something to people that others charge way too much for in my opinion. The fact that everyone that’s grown it so far is so impressed with the cross is well, Gravy on a biscuit!

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    dolamic Well-Known Member

    Mmmmm.....biscuits and gravy
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    Frenchy Cannoli Well-Known Member

    So happy you got pissed at the guy. That smoky lemon taste is quite unique in the hash.

    MichiganGrows Active Member

    Spacedawg makes the best hash

    Confucious Active Member

    I'm actually probably going to order some space-dawg today for my dawg strain.

    brimck325 Well-Known Member

    i thought you forgave him after he stole cuts from you.

    subcool Well-Known Member

    No one stole cuts from me.
    In the end I did not call it "the Reply" I just gave 9000 seeds away for free.
    What was done was I was attacked by someone I had never spoken to, never said a word about and the attack was a personal one.
    I have grown up a great deal since then and I learned only I determine my path in life and I try (not always successfully) to take the high road even when someone attacks me.
    Ed taught me this is simply easier to be nice in life than to be pissed off.
    There are only two people on this planet I won't forgive Gypsy and Pistils but I also don't wish them bad will that would be bad for my Karma.

    BTW the story does not explain that after we gave away all the seeds TGA fans requested a remake so we re-acquired the cutting and made more.

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    brimck325 Well-Known Member

    guess piggy lied then.

    subcool Well-Known Member

    I'm sure he just got bad info or was repeating a story he heard.
    Rumors are generally always wrong.
    As I said he attacked me and my wife personally for no reason other than I own a competing company.
    He is a Non factor now in the industry anyway :)
    Karma is a serious Bitch!


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    Confucious Active Member

    Karma is most definitely a bitch, but she can also be a god send to some people. I'm glad to hear that you believe in karma sub, it's a powerful thing.

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