some refer to them as mothers, the GOP calls them hosts

AlecTheGardener · Feb 28, 2015

nitro harley said:
Interesting abortion info for the democratic base. I believe we are off to a good start.

Eight of the top ten Obama states plus D.C. have above-average abortion rates; the only exceptions are tiny Vermont and Illinois, where the abortion rate is only slightly below the national average. The only other states with above-average abortion rates are New Jersey, Nevada, and Florida. The state with by far the lowest abortion rate, Wyoming, also had the lowest Obama percentage. The highest abortion rate states are clustered at the geographic edges, the northeast, southeast, and southwest of America; in the vast geographic heartland the abortion rates are relatively low.

https://www.aei.org/publication/abortion-rates-and-voting-behavior/

These numbers would be skewed by the lack of access in those 'heartland' states. Access is limited therefore less frequent and therefore less reporting. If I was assisting in such a procedure in a 'heartland' state I would be as secretive as possible. Doctors fear for their lives, people like to kill them for fun.

nitro harley · Feb 28, 2015

AlecTheGardener said:
These numbers would be skewed by the lack of access in those 'heartland' states. Access is limited therefore less frequent and therefore less reporting. If I was assisting in such a procedure in a 'heartland' state I would be as secretive as possible. Doctors fear for their lives, people like to kill them for fun.

The good part is we are off to a good start where it counts.

TBoneJack · Feb 28, 2015

Pinworm said:
You seem to be laboring under the illusion that I give a fuck what you think about me.

But, I accept your apology. The line is open on this end if you change your mind.

It doesn't matter whether or not you give a fuck that I wish you good luck on your recovery. The fact is that I do. That's not a labor for me at all.

Damn, the rate at which I encounter liberals who seem to hate, even to the desire of death to their political adversaries, is rather disheartening.

AlecTheGardener · Feb 28, 2015

nitro harley said:
The good part is we are off to a good start where it counts.

Hmmm.

What are your views on abortion? Will you indulge me?

I think that I do not have a uterus, I cannot understand having a thing inside of me. I can never understand that.

I think women everywhere should have access to safe abortive procedures until the twenty first week of gestation.

What occurs inside someone's body is their business, until another consciousness comes into being there is only one person that ultimately takes priority.

Generally, safe, clean, readily available access would ultimately reduce the amount of abortive procedures as a percentage of the population. This coupled with a good sex education, not based on sexual abstinence would go a long way to fixing unwanted pregnancies.

Edit: forgot a comma

AlecTheGardener · Feb 28, 2015

nitro harley said:
The good part is we are off to a good start where it counts.

Another question, I re-read your post a few times. Are you inferring that the killing of doctors that perform abortive procedures or prescribe abortive medications is acceptable?

Pinworm · Feb 28, 2015

TBoneJack said:
It doesn't matter whether or not you give a fuck that I wish you good luck on your recovery. The fact is that I do. That's not a labor for me at all.

Damn, the rate at which I encounter liberals who seem to hate, even to the desire of death to their political adversaries, is rather disheartening.

It's a good feeling to know that I am loved. I can tell that you are sincere, and I think it's great to know that you are a fan. Thank you for your concern.

It's too bad you think women's reproductive rights are inconsequent. I hope you'll figure out just how wrong you are one day. I'm pullin' for ya.

UncleBuck · Feb 28, 2015

nitro harley said:
Interesting abortion info for the democratic base. I believe we are off to a good start.

Eight of the top ten Obama states plus D.C. have above-average abortion rates; the only exceptions are tiny Vermont and Illinois, where the abortion rate is only slightly below the national average. The only other states with above-average abortion rates are New Jersey, Nevada, and Florida. The state with by far the lowest abortion rate, Wyoming, also had the lowest Obama percentage. The highest abortion rate states are clustered at the geographic edges, the northeast, southeast, and southwest of America; in the vast geographic heartland the abortion rates are relatively low.

https://www.aei.org/publication/abortion-rates-and-voting-behavior/

imagine that, abortion rates are lower where there are no abortion providers for hundreds and hundreds of miles, and people are too poor and economically depressed to travel that far (twice, because mandatory three day waitin period).

get a fucking clue.

TBoneJack · Feb 28, 2015

Pinworm said:
It's a good feeling to know that I am loved. I can tell that you are sincere, and I think it's great to know that you are a fan. Thank you for your concern.

It's too bad you think women's reproductive rights are inconsequent. I hope you'll figure out just how wrong you are one day. I'm pullin' for ya.

Where the fuck did anybody get the idea that I want to suppress women's reproductive rights? I never said that I'm anti-abortion.

AlecTheGardener · Feb 28, 2015

TBoneJack said:
Where the fuck did anybody get the idea that I want to suppress women's reproductive rights? I never said that I'm anti-abortion.

Please expand. You disagree with abortion under any circumstances?

UncleBuck · Feb 28, 2015

TBoneJack said:
Damn, the rate at which I encounter liberals who seem to hate, even to the desire of death to their political adversaries, is rather disheartening.

nitro is literally wishing death on liberal babies in the post above you, murdoch.

TBoneJack · Feb 28, 2015

AlecTheGardener said:
Please expand. You disagree with abortion under any circumstances?

The fact is that I don't know anymore what to think about the things to do in regard to abortion.

The traditional Christian approach (only in cases of rape, incest, or danger to mother) is hypocritical.

But I think it would be a danger to society, and to women in particular, for it to become commonplace. Which I'm afraid it will soon become for teenagers still in school. I have a genuine concern for these young girls who abort their babies when they are too young to really know how they will feel about it as rational adults who most probably will have the traditional mothering instinct and want children, wondering about the one they aborted years before. I'm really concerned.

So I once held the traditional Christian stance on abortion. But after giving the other side some true consideration, I'm re-assessing. Isn't that what liberals want conservatives to do in the least - re-assess? And still we're hated. But we love it!!!

UncleBuck · Feb 28, 2015

TBoneJack said:
The fact is that I don't know anymore what to think about the things to do in regard to abortion.

The traditional Christian approach (only in cases of rape, incest, or danger to mother) is hypocritical.

But I think it would be a danger to society, and to women in particular, for it to become commonplace. Which I'm afraid it will soon become for teenagers still in school. I have a genuine concern for these young girls who abort their babies when they are too young to really know how they will feel about it as rational adults who most probably will have the traditional mothering instinct and want children, wondering about the one they aborted years before. I'm really concerned.

So I once held the traditional Christian stance on abortion. But after giving the other side some true consideration, I'm re-assessing. Isn't that what liberals want conservatives to do in the least - re-assess? And still we're hated. But we love it!!!

nanny stater.

AlecTheGardener · Feb 28, 2015

TBoneJack said:
The fact is that I don't know anymore what is the most right thing to do in regards to abortion.

The traditional Christian approach (only in cases of rape, incest, or danger to mother) is hypocritical.

But I think it would be a danger to society, and to women in particular, for it to become commonplace. Which I'm afraid it will soon become for teenagers still in school. I have a genuine concern for these young girls who abort their babies when they are too young to really know how they will feel about it as rational adults who most probably will have the traditional mothering instinct and want children, wondering about the one they aborted years before. I'm really concerned.

So I once held the traditional Christian stance on abortion. But after giving the other side some true consideration, I'm re-assessing. Isn't that what liberals want conservatives to do in the least - re-assess? And still we're hated. But we love it!!!

Thank for explaining, your reasons are very understandable. Keeping ourselves open to change is what makes us the most adaptable species on the planet, good call.

nitro harley · Feb 28, 2015

AlecTheGardener said:
Hmmm.

What are your views on abortion? Will you indulge me?

I think that I do not have a uterus, I cannot understand having a thing inside of me. I can never understand that.

I think women everywhere should have access to safe abortive procedures until the twenty first week of gestation.

What occurs inside someone's body is their business, until another consciousness comes into being there is only one person that ultimately takes priority.

Generally, safe, clean, readily available access would ultimately reduce the amount of abortive procedures as a percentage of the population. This coupled with a good sex education, not based on sexual abstinence would go a long way to fixing unwanted pregnancies.

Edit: forgot a comma

I posted my abortion view on page one . I will repost it for you. And I totally agree.

nitro harley said:
Pada, I admit that I lean to the conservative side and I don't care how many people want to get rid of their unborn children. I have mentioned before that I think there should be abortion centers set up like fast food joints 24/7 including holidays. It keeps the population down and will shrink the democratic base so what is there not to like. For awhile I didn't like the part of my tax dollars being spent but now I don't care anymore. just so you know. Lets getter done.

nitro harley · Feb 28, 2015

AlecTheGardener said:
Another question, I re-read your post a few times. Are you inferring that the killing of doctors that perform abortive procedures or prescribe abortive medications is acceptable?

Not at all. I would support armed guards if it was necessary.

AlecTheGardener · Feb 28, 2015

nitro harley said:
I posted my abortion view on page one . I will repost it for you. And I totally agree.

nitro harley said:
Not at all. I would support armed guards if it was necessary.

Thanks for answering Nitro!

Rob Roy · Mar 1, 2015

Padawanbater2 said:
Can one of the conservatives on the board explain to me how abortion coincides with small government?

If you believe in small government, doesn't that mean you should only care (regardless of your personal beliefs) if the government does say something about it? It's not the governments decision, right? I mean, what if some wacky religious person got millions of people together that believed that jacking off resulted in the same sort of thing they say abortion leads to [dead kiddies]..? What if they lobbied for criminalizing whacking it in your own private life? ...
Lol, you see where I'm going with that.. It'd be nuts, just like it is with abortion.. Abortion isn't any different than a broken arm, so why should Bobby-Joe down the streets opinion about what the fuck I do with my broken arm matter when it comes to what the fuck I actually do with my own broken arm? It's my arm dickhead, just because you believe some demons will take mah soul or some bullshit if I heal it with modern medicine doesn't mean you get to tell me what to do with it.

I'm not a conservative in any typical sense, but I'll try to answer.

First a broken arm is isolated to your body, and I agree with you, how or if you administer medical attention to your broken arm is your business.

Some people think an abortion includes multiple entities (persons?) and isn't just isolated to one person. It would seem apparent that at some point in a pregnancy another living and feeling entity is present, the question seems to be when or if that other entity has rights pre-birth and how those rights might be protected and by whom.

If the other entity (unborn child) does have rights, some people feel it is the job of government to protect them.

I don't as a rule feel that government protects rights, so I seldom seek answers from "them". As far as whacking it goes, just don't leave it on the floor at Wendy's and I'm cool with whatever you want to do in the privacy of your own home.

UncleBuck · Mar 1, 2015

Rob Roy said:
...an abortion includes multiple entities (persons?)...the other entity (unborn child) does have rights...it is the job of government to protect them.

so much for panarchy. we found rob roy's one and only use for government: to stop women from exercising autonomy over their own bodies and to deny them access to safe medical procedures.

fucking hypocrite racist loser.

Pinworm · Mar 1, 2015

UncleBuck said:
so much for panarchy. we found rob roy's one and only use for government: to stop women from exercising autonomy over their own bodies and to deny them access to safe medical procedures.

fucking hypocrite racist loser.

Which one is Rob Roy's puppet? Is it Tbone? I need to update my notes.

UncleBuck · Mar 1, 2015

Pinworm said:
Which one is Rob Roy's puppet? Is it Tbone? I need to update my notes.

rob rot has no puppet, i do believe he may be a nambla member though. not even kidding about that, sadly. he compares everything to rape except pedophilia, which he calls a "voluntary agreement".

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