SOG growers wanted !!!

dirtysteve said:

Is this the stuff you are talking about LB?
http://www.bghydro.com/BGH/itemMatrix.asp?GroupCode=NERHGRX00&eq=&MatrixType=1

That is some high dollar stuff. but if it is used like you say it isn't too bad. I just want to be sure to get the right stuff.

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yes...the initial upfront fee may seem overwhelming


but when you do the math and break it down....you wont find any other supplement that does the same thing as Roots Excellator for a cheaper price.


sure Clonex Cloning solution may SEEM cheaper upfront....but you gotta use like 10mL per L ratio.... i holy fuck...

but yea it may seem alot, but at 1mL per gallon ratio, Roots Excellator just last

hope you guys dont mind the quick Q..but can some tell my if i should mix my base

nutes 1st then fix my PH then add additives? or mix them all 1st then fix the PH?.

im useing GH maxi bloom, floralicious and liquid kool bloom.


......oh and Roots Excellator IS THE SHIT!!!!...a bit pricy at 1st like loudblunts said. but doller for doller seem to be the best stuff around. i just got ny 1st bottel about 3 weeks ago and im sold....DAMN I SOUND LIKE BILLY MAYS NOW..LOL

dirtysteve said:

I cleaned it the first time with bleach. Like to get it clean out of the box. I rinsed it, let it dry, then rinsed it again. Then stuck the clones in. I ran it for a week and a half and it started growing slime. So i pulled all the clones and re cut the stems and cleaned the cloner. No bleach this time. Got em in and running again. I re cut them on turkey day so 6 days and nothing. It is bumming me out. The slime is starting to come back. I really just want to get a couple good ones for replacement mothers at the least. I am pretty sure I will be cutting new ones and trying again. Just to be sure to get a few new mothers. I am probably going to be leaving for work later this week so maybe 3 weeks away from home. I was really expecting this thing to be waaaaay easier. I am actually considering going back to the rockwool cubes.

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damn sorry to hear that steve, rockwools still working as it should over this way. go back to rockwool and continue expirimenting with the ez cloner till you figure it out

That's the plan. I want to get a few more mothers so I can get a better selection of clones. I got a few ideas of the problems and I plan on fixing them as soon as possible. It is just strange that the first time I ever cloned anything I used rockwool and had 100% success and things have gone south from then on. Oh well. I will survive.

MEANGREEN69 said:

hope you guys dont mind the quick Q..but can some tell my if i should mix my base

nutes 1st then fix my PH then add additives? or mix them all 1st then fix the PH?.

im useing GH maxi bloom, floralicious and liquid kool bloom.


......oh and Roots Excellator IS THE SHIT!!!!...a bit pricy at 1st like loudblunts said. but doller for doller seem to be the best stuff around. i just got ny 1st bottel about 3 weeks ago and im sold....DAMN I SOUND LIKE BILLY MAYS NOW..LOL

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Mix your nutes as per instructiuons then adjust PH..
If ur using a res then mix nutes in a seperate container in water then
add this to ur res gradually checking ur ppm until u get to ur desired ppm then adjust ur PH

streetlegal said:

Mix your nutes as per instructiuons then adjust PH..
If ur using a res then mix nutes in a seperate container in water then
add this to ur res gradually checking ur ppm until u get to ur desired ppm then adjust ur PH

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i do mix my nutes per instruciuons, and i never go over my desired ppm when adding stright to my rez..i was just wondering if i adjust the ph before or after adding additives?..because i read on one of the threads were there was a debait about it..and i couldnt find anything on the web..

MEANGREEN69 said:

i do mix my nutes per instruciuons, and i never go over my desired ppm when adding stright to my rez..i was just wondering if i adjust the ph before or after adding additives?..because i read on one of the threads were there was a debait about it..and i couldnt find anything on the web..

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that is only House & Garden nutrient specific


that is why he said to mix per your base nutrient's instructions.


you are using Roots Excellator, which is out of the House & Garden line, so that is what may have confused you as their mixing instructions is to mix base nutes first, then pH then add additives

dirtysteve said:

That's the plan. I want to get a few more mothers so I can get a better selection of clones. I got a few ideas of the problems and I plan on fixing them as soon as possible. It is just strange that the first time I ever cloned anything I used rockwool and had 100% success and things have gone south from then on. Oh well. I will survive.

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Refrain from bleach. Run to a pool supply place and get some hydrogen peroxide, should get a gallon for around 20 dollars. use the H2O2 (mixed with water at the proper ratios of course) to clean the res and, you can also dose your res with the H202 (again, proper ratio per gallon) and you should never see slime.

Keep it simple with the EZ clone, tap water (if not too hard) @ ph of 5.6-5.8, a little H202 (I use 3 tablespoons per my 11 gallon res) and maybe if you feel exotic, some clonex or any other rooting solution.

All you really need for roots though, is clean water at the right PH.

LoudBlunts said:

that is only House & Garden nutrient specific


that is why he said to mix per your base nutrient's instructions.


you are using Roots Excellator, which is out of the House & Garden line, so that is what may have confused you as their mixing instructions is to mix base nutes first, then pH then add additives

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thanks loudblunts, just wanted to make sure im wasnt mixing my rez wrong..

YaK said:

Refrain from bleach. Run to a pool supply place and get some hydrogen peroxide, should get a gallon for around 20 dollars. use the H2O2 (mixed with water at the proper ratios of course) to clean the res and, you can also dose your res with the H202 (again, proper ratio per gallon) and you should never see slime.

Keep it simple with the EZ clone, tap water (if not too hard) @ ph of 5.6-5.8, a little H202 (I use 3 tablespoons per my 11 gallon res) and maybe if you feel exotic, some clonex or any other rooting solution.

All you really need for roots though, is clean water at the right PH.

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I have H2O2. What would you call "proper ratio" for a cleaning solution? I dose the res with 6.5 ml/gal of 35% H2O2.

My tap water usually runs in the 400-500 ppm range. I have an R/O unit but I heard that the DI filter takes out too much and can cause problems. I ran two batches of clones in rockwool side by side, one with R/O water and the other with tap. 100% with tap water, 0% with R/O water.

I have ordered some of the Roots Excellurator since everybody who uses it loves it. Hopefully be starting a new batch in the PT Cloner next week. I will make this work. I guarantee!

On another note... I can finally afford a 1KW light. Cool Tubed and everything. Can't wait to get some rooted clones to throw under that beast. Should have great results with 2 2'x3' flood trays under it. Just over 80W / ft^2. Maybe over kill, but I want rocks not nugs.

So we'll see if it works this time...

leaving the cloner PLUGGED-IN this time around....

Hello all. I thought this thread would be the right place for this question, any help would be appreciated.

Ive been slowly but surely forming my op similar to gypsy's and others' using Al B's methods with a few minor differences. I've had mixed success thus far falling short of my expectations due to several noob mistakes:
lack of h202
overwatering
unhealthy clones
bugs
pithium

I've corrected all or most of these mistakes (still trying to get the cloning locked into consistancy) though i'm still unsure of the propper sog style pruning for the plant I'm growing.

I'm growing trainwreck and I currently have been pruning every branch that's more than an inch long regardless of it's on the bottom third or not. This sativa grows a lot of them... the pics below show a trainwreck at week 5 pruned this way.

This new batch I'm tempted to leave them and see but I figured I'd ask. The other picture is at week 2, would you trim the branches from the 8-10" mark?

Sorry so lengthy. Appreciate any help.

I just wanted to give my 0.02 on my current cloning success...

Supplies
-Brand new EZ Cloner 60
-Pioneer II Jr. flourescent lighting
-Clonex Gel
-Clonex solution
-Hygrozyme
-SuperThrive
-Fresh razorblades
-60 clones (20 Blue Cheese and 40 Red Diesel) coming from moms under 24/0 HPS lighting

This is the first time I've cloned aeroponically, previous attempts were always in rockwool or grow cubes. I did all this on 11/20/09, about two and a half weeks ago. I put 12 gallons of filtered tap water in the EZ cloner reservoir, Clonex solution (40 mL/gal), SuperThrive (1 mL/gal), Hygrozyme (8 mL/gal), and adjusted the pH to about 6.2. I cut pretty large clones, some as big as 6" with quite a bit of foliage. As soon as I cut each one I dipped the clone in the Clonex gel, put the clone in the neoprene collar, and put the collar in the EZ Cloner lid. After all 60 sites were full I waited another 10 minutes or so and then turned the EZ cloner on (sub pump and air pump). The clones initially stayed in the dark for about 6 hours. I hung the flourescent lighting about an inch from the tallest clone and after the initial dark period have kept the lights and the EZ cloner on all day long. I was really surprised at how high the TDS was, ~700 ppm, and thought maybe I had put in too much clonex solution but I let it ride.

For about 5 days, there was almost nothing to note. I didn't keep track of the water temperature, although I noticed it's a little warmer then my other hydroponic systems. pH rose a little bit but I've kept it between 6.0 and 6.8. By the sixth day, I noticed that little root tips were coming out from everywhere on the stems below the neoprene collar. At about this time I noticed that a lot of kind of organic gunk had settled in the bottom of the EZ cloner, but I did not change out the water, I just kept checking the pH. 3 of the 60 never sprouted roots and I took them out by like day eight. The other 57 (95% success rate) have grown beautiful pearly roots, and by day 17 the roots on the longest clones are like 4" long and hanging down to the sprayer nozzles. I plan on taking them out tomorrow, day 20. I'm gonna throw away the neoprene collars and use new ones next time. I'm going to clean it afterward with the 29% H2O2 and water, like I said it's pretty dirty in the reservoir

Everything worked out like I had hoped/planned for so I'm gonna keep doing it the same way for future batches. Maybe I was a little lucky, but I did my homework and read a lot on the message boards, and it paid off. Best of luck to you too!

LoudBlunts said:

yes...the initial upfront fee may seem overwhelming


but when you do the math and break it down....you wont find any other supplement that does the same thing as Roots Excellator for a cheaper pr


sure Clonex Cloning solution may SEEM cheaper upfront....but you gotta use like 10mL per L ratio.... i holy fuck...

but yea it may seem alot, but at 1mL per gallon ratio, Roots Excellator just last

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Loudblunts- do you use the excelerator in your cloner? Have you ever used it on another system like your flowering tray?

yes and yes.


however after week 3-4 in flower, i stop using

OK guys put your thinking caps on ....
is it better to cool a small space for tanks with air conditioning or use a chiller....
i posted a thread with the same ?
not sure witch is more better....
just trying to be as effecient as possible... cost is not the only issue ... wear and tear on equip. etc. any help ... thanks much toasty..

thas a no-brainer

chiller!!!!

your a fag! lol dont post this dont post that dont ask questions about this... are you a pot head or a fucking military drill instructor... or is this the only thing in your life you think you have control over... your a sado either way along with anyone and everyone who thinks they
"OWN" or control anything in this world! chill out smoke some weed and let go of your past!

Wow! What warranted that kind of a post? Seems like it just came out of left field. It also occurs to me that you post emulates the very thing you are trashing with the post. I hope things get better for you. Most people here are pretty nice.

lol dirtysteve, dont feed the trolls

obviously his randomness comes from the bappage he is smoking on. maybe he should recheck the lineage of the shit he is smoking on, then get back to us in the morn.