Slow growth, lighting, or temps

Man no one mentioned it....but when it comes to that Chinese purple leds, IAM A BIG NAY SAYER....been there done that. I believe its your lights, Iam not a professional, just learned the very hard way, i bought 10 of those 50w purple cobs chips, they suck around 450 to 500 watts from wall. and u can see the result in my signature, well my first grow went ok, but i was satisfied with the result. These chinese cobs are piece of shi*s, Please anybody dont waste your money, buy some good lights, I recomend CREE, the daddy of leds. Iam not a sales rep. Just i have done extreme research and found that there is just more good light in CREE cobs, its an american manfacturer. Think about it, these purple chinese led, they tell u it gives you 100 lumens/watt. or some will say 80 lumens per watt. But actually when they are running, and specially when they get hot, i believe they give u 40 or max 50 lumens per wat. i still doubt this, i personally feel more like they give you 20 to 30 lumens per watt. That the thinh about cree, they haves verifiable tests of their led's lumen efficiency. Cree's most expensive led cxb3590 if run in the worst condition, will give t minimum 150 lumens per watt. If same led is run at half of its power, it will still give around 165 to 170 lumens per watt. Since i changed my light, i went for a little lower model, cheaper one but iam still getting 130 lumen per watt. Multiply that by 256watts u get 33,000 confirmed lumens of light.
Kindly do your own research and ditch this purple horsesh*t. The my best honest advice to anyone.

I dont know why i reply to posts. Sometimes its like stepping in a turd. Profiles getting deleted. You can google all this anyway. Thanks to the positive ones. As for the negative well have fun on your own.

Jaggwaa isn't being insultive.....when you ask for people's advice, be ready to get opinions that you don't agree with...just the nature of people.

Logan Burke said:

Jaggwaa isn't being insultive.....when you ask for people's advice, be ready to get opinions that you don't agree with...just the nature of people.

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Thank YOU.... i was wondering since yesterday what did i say to upset brother coco..didn't mean to offend anyone. In almost 3 years of lurking here and there, i did not learned much i as learned during my first grow. Like if your seed not sprouting, just press in between ur fingers and crush the outer shell gently, if after that tail is not growing, give it more temp, 32 C all fine. Does temps above 30C kill ur plants, not at all. it can go to 40, nothing will happen, maybe a little slowed growth, upto 35C its all good. I couldn't find any information on this, all i could find is above 28C ur plants will die...seriously... maybe there is an anger within my replies, but i just stated the reason. Iam telling the truth with frustration maybe...or i have no weed and have to wait like 6 weeks for my harvest Anyways folks please no hard feelings, My intentions are not bad. And those purple light...just take a u turn when u see those

It was a very bad day. Health is failing and it took some time to get my head around it. Hopin i am still welcome. The girls are getting frosty.

jaggwaa said:

Man no one mentioned it....but when it comes to that Chinese purple leds, IAM A BIG NAY SAYER....been there done that. I believe its your lights, Iam not a professional, just learned the very hard way, i bought 10 of those 50w purple cobs chips, they suck around 450 to 500 watts from wall. and u can see the result in my signature, well my first grow went ok, but i was satisfied with the result. These chinese cobs are piece of shi*s, Please anybody dont waste your money, buy some good lights, I recomend CREE, the daddy of leds. Iam not a sales rep. Just i have done extreme research and found that there is just more good light in CREE cobs, its an american manfacturer. Think about it, these purple chinese led, they tell u it gives you 100 lumens/watt. or some will say 80 lumens per watt. But actually when they are running, and specially when they get hot, i believe they give u 40 or max 50 lumens per wat. i still doubt this, i personally feel more like they give you 20 to 30 lumens per watt. That the thinh about cree, they haves verifiable tests of their led's lumen efficiency. Cree's most expensive led cxb3590 if run in the worst condition, will give t minimum 150 lumens per watt. If same led is run at half of its power, it will still give around 165 to 170 lumens per watt. Since i changed my light, i went for a little lower model, cheaper one but iam still getting 130 lumen per watt. Multiply that by 256watts u get 33,000 confirmed lumens of light.
Kindly do your own research and ditch this purple horsesh*t. The my best honest advice to anyone.

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All that talk about lumens, and did you find in your research that lumens have absolutely nothing to do with growing plants or determining the quality of a grow light? Plants use red and blue light the most, both at the far end of the spectrum, use very little green light! if you have a red, green and blue light side by side (same wattage), the red and blue automatically will register the lowest in lumen ratings and green the highest. Does this mean that the green light is the best to grow with since it has the highest lumen output? Lumens are for humans, not plant growing, research PAR, maybe it will help guide you on the right path to detremining grow light quality

Blitz35 said:

All that talk about lumens, and did you find in your research that lumens have absolutely nothing to do with growing plants or determining the quality of a grow light? Plants use red and blue light the most, both at the far end of the spectrum, use very little green light! if you have a red, green and blue light side by side (same wattage), the red and blue automatically will register the lowest in lumen ratings and green the highest. Does this mean that the green light is the best to grow with since it has the highest lumen output? Lumens are for humans, not plant growing, research PAR, maybe it will help guide you on the right path to detremining grow light quality

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Ok, its like a rough estimate, i know what PAR is, but i dont have the meter to measure it. I understand the difference between light temperatures. Thats why i choose 3000K, my research says it can do both veg and flowering. And iam not making a space shuttle to go to mars, so that even a tiny change in my calculation will cause me to die. or the universe to explode, that being said, lumen is just a reference measure, not to the point calculation. With a simple andriod app and light sensor on my phone i know that direct sunlight is around 100000 lumen to 150000 at peak,
while in evenings it can be 30 to 40 thousands. so i have a rough idea how much i need to mimic that. Now yea i know sunlight temp also changes with intensity, but again iam not making something complicated here. My goal is simple,
i need buds, and save electricity only because not to raise eyes with high electric bills.
So here is what i did, i split my lights in two, so now my flower is 120watts from wall. which is 1/10 of a 1000 hps.
This 120 from wall, lets say is 100W actual light. Then in my veg cabinet, its 80w on wall. 6 plants/clones from previous, are there. So leave the veg for and lets talk about how i can be flowering with 100W of light, while others are using 1000 hps, 600w hps, iam not even close. The reason is the andriod app and my phones light senser. My 100 watt setup in my flowers is roughly throwing 80000 to 100000 lumens within half feet. and above 50,000 lumens to one and half feet away. And guess what, so far its working out for me. Here is a pic at weak 6 completion yesterday.
and no disrespect to anyone, and no offence, because what m about to tell you will definitely make a lot of my brothers angry, this whole grow is like 30 plants, or 30 or 35 clones in three big paint buckets, i dont know the bucket size in gallons but it says 20kg on the bucket. It was an experiment. The idea was to give a root system to every main cola, there are only 30 or so main colas, almost no side branching, and it was an experiment, and iam still thinking of same set of 10 clones in one bucket as one plant and i will compare the end results. I read so many people against it, the reason of multiple plants in one pot, i understand its a bad idea if you dont know the sex of plant, if one of 10 is a male, it will be impossible to pull it out, but i think its fine with clones. So far they are looking good, iam think to run them 80 to 90 days this time, i have have already experienced early harvests. So if they are like this now at 40 days, m imagining some really big chunks after another 40 days. I have 7 strains in veg cab right now, that are mothers, but iam thinking to run them in 7 of those big 20kg buckets, one plant each, then i will compare either 10 in one was good or 1 in 1.
Another reason to go to 10 clones is to have 10 colas, whats wrong with topping and getting 10 colas, well for one, that uneven size that results after topping, i just hate it. The only way around that is to veg for 5 or 6 months, and cut off all weaker branches and let the even sized grow, but thats a lot of time, in this run, out of 10 plants in each, 7 to 8 are same sized and health. The ones remained smaller, are those that were tiny to begin with and i dont mind, and also all these 30 or so clones, i tied them down horizontally. so that the distance between the light is reduces. Those buds in pics have turned upwards but still i have not changed the light height. that a lot to write.I seriously hope it helps someone somewhere

coocooforkush said:

It was a very bad day. Health is failing and it took some time to get my head around it. Hopin i am still welcome. The girls are getting frosty.

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Brother u were never unwelcome d, u are always welcome and i love your girls. they are super cute and frosty and by now they must be more beautiful.

hotrodharley said:

Never had a dud from them. One of my favorite smokes is their White Rhino X Mazar. Heavy yielder. Stony as hell.

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Got 3 white rhino like u suggested. They are on deck right after the super skunks. Man the ss veges like it on steriods. They were free so we see hos she goes.

Just a late night shot of the super skunks and the ww autos getting their first bit of lst. That makes 8 colas each for the super skunks and i am following a really neat way of circling the pot for the white widow autos. Boy autos are different. Thought they werd gonna croak but there they are doing whatever it is they do. The super skunks are gonna be monsters. Vegged only under t5s and really movin. Cant wait to get the ck out of the flower box. I have the new lec ready to rip. The ck is under the cheapie led right now because i cant believe the amount of tricomes a crapola led can cause a plant to make. Weird but effective. Any comments. I mean apart from running the led over with the front end loader. Lol. Happy growing and for anyone interested i had a ravitch repair of my chest. Serious stuff but.... i can breathe eat amd my heart is no longer compressed. I am a very happy camper. Painful camper at the moment but it was a complete success. Eeehhhaawww!!!!! Tomorrow i will post the miricle ck. Shes filling out nicely and triked out bigtime. I owe that to you people on this site. Thanks a ton guys.

coocooforkush said:

Got 3 white rhino like u suggested. They are on deck right after the super skunks. Man the ss veges like it on steriods. They were free so we see hos she goes.

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Hey man. How goes it. Any tips on the super skunk. Theres 2 and they have 8 growth tips each. Gonna put them in 10 gallon pots with promix potting soil. Got some dolomite lime and magesium to mix in as well with 20 percent more pearlite too. Any pointers will be used and appreciated hrh. Gonna go all organic on squirtilizer, any brand you think will do best? They will be the first lec grow with the new square wave light. Just got the ventilation finished.