Show me your worm bins and compost

loco41

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peat, dead leaves and pumice are my bedding. no more than like 15% pumice. I add layers of outdoor compost with a TBSP of various amendments when building the fresh bedding. It's good to enrich your compost a bit with amendments every now and then. I just add a TBSP or two with food scraps every now and then. Also use dolomite lime in the bedding mix for buffer. going to start adding oats to the feeding regiment as well.
Nice, not too far from what I've been doing then. I am no expert, only had the worm bin for around a year, but I feel like the oats have helped. My worms seem to be more active if nothing else. Does your outdoor compost include food scraps in it? I got my piles heating up pretty nicely now, all leaves and dead grass with small amounts of alfalfa/kelp/basalt/neem mixed in them, mixing/watering as I built them. I haven't added much scraps to the piles, really only added some coffee grounds and random vegetable scraps in there like twice in the month it's been going.

Also just got a tent set back up, can't grow what I want at the moment, but figured I'd try some kale and spinach. It'll be nice to have some good produce and get to try and play with some soil/compost things to get a better feel for organic growing in general. My soil had been sitting outside for the past couple months so it froze for a little while, off and on with the temperature swings. I brought it in for a week to warm up, added a few scoops of fresh EWC, and just planted the kale in 3 gallon pots with some red clover as a sort of cover/companion crop. Sorry not sure if this is an appropriate thread for this rant, but any advice or suggestions are appreciated.
 

raggyb

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Nice, not too far from what I've been doing then. I am no expert, only had the worm bin for around a year, but I feel like the oats have helped. My worms seem to be more active if nothing else. Does your outdoor compost include food scraps in it? I got my piles heating up pretty nicely now, all leaves and dead grass with small amounts of alfalfa/kelp/basalt/neem mixed in them, mixing/watering as I built them. I haven't added much scraps to the piles, really only added some coffee grounds and random vegetable scraps in there like twice in the month it's been going.

Also just got a tent set back up, can't grow what I want at the moment, but figured I'd try some kale and spinach. It'll be nice to have some good produce and get to try and play with some soil/compost things to get a better feel for organic growing in general. My soil had been sitting outside for the past couple months so it froze for a little while, off and on with the temperature swings. I brought it in for a week to warm up, added a few scoops of fresh EWC, and just planted the kale in 3 gallon pots with some red clover as a sort of cover/companion crop. Sorry not sure if this is an appropriate thread for this rant, but any advice or suggestions are appreciated.
Thanks for the idea. I'm going to try some lettuce now. Think I have seeds. I've been doing worm even less time than you. My concern is the wigglers keep crawling through the drain holes. Then they just hang in the bottom. I don't know if they're unhappy. Maybe they're cold? Every day I scoop them up and put them back in and count how many there were but I can't correlate their numbers with the problem. I suspected low outside pressure and relative hum might drives them to explore but I'm not totally convinced. Also maybe coincidence bit when I added old leaves and larf they suddenly stopped. Lastly, I'm into giving them beet leftovers from the juicer. I have a feeling it's good. Beet tops too.
 

loco41

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Thanks for the idea. I'm going to try some lettuce now. Think I have seeds. I've been doing worm even less time than you. My concern is the wigglers keep crawling through the drain holes. Then they just hang in the bottom. I don't know if they're unhappy. Maybe they're cold? Every day I scoop them up and put them back in and count how many there were but I can't correlate their numbers with the problem. I suspected low outside pressure and relative hum might drives them to explore but I'm not totally convinced. Also maybe coincidence bit when I added old leaves and larf they suddenly stopped. Lastly, I'm into giving them beet leftovers from the juicer. I have a feeling it's good. Beet tops too.
Nice man, hope it goes well and keep me updated. I'd always like to see someone else's results as well. What kind of soil mix are you using at the moment?

As far as your worm questions, I am not the one to answer it to be honest. I have the same thing going on in my bins. I really don't mind it too much because there are always plenty of worms and some eggs with different aged/sized worms present in the top part of the bin. So it seems healthy enough for me, but I could be far off. I do the same and just scoop them out as well and add them back to the bin. Sometimes I'll just throw those worms straight into a sitting tote of soil. Sorry I couldn't be much help, but hopefully someone else can steer us in the right direction as far as possible causes.

I'm sure the beets will go over well in the bin and also add a lot of benefits to the end product as well. Beets are very nutrient dense I would think. I used to be more selective about what I was adding, but now I just throw pretty much all organic vegetable/fruit scraps in there (no citrus, pepper or onions though). If I don't need to feed the bin, it goes outside in a compost tumbling bin. I did get a large supply of pumpkins in the late fall after halloween and chopped/froze them for future feedings. I fed them a large amount when I first chopped them up and they loved it. Plus had tons of pumpkin sprouts start to grow in there which I like to think is a good sign it will help grow things. I haven't given them more yet, figured I'd mix it up and feed them some variety in between large doses of one input or another.
 

ShLUbY

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Nice, not too far from what I've been doing then. I am no expert, only had the worm bin for around a year, but I feel like the oats have helped. My worms seem to be more active if nothing else. Does your outdoor compost include food scraps in it? I got my piles heating up pretty nicely now, all leaves and dead grass with small amounts of alfalfa/kelp/basalt/neem mixed in them, mixing/watering as I built them. I haven't added much scraps to the piles, really only added some coffee grounds and random vegetable scraps in there like twice in the month it's been going.

Also just got a tent set back up, can't grow what I want at the moment, but figured I'd try some kale and spinach. It'll be nice to have some good produce and get to try and play with some soil/compost things to get a better feel for organic growing in general. My soil had been sitting outside for the past couple months so it froze for a little while, off and on with the temperature swings. I brought it in for a week to warm up, added a few scoops of fresh EWC, and just planted the kale in 3 gallon pots with some red clover as a sort of cover/companion crop. Sorry not sure if this is an appropriate thread for this rant, but any advice or suggestions are appreciated.
yeah whatever kitchen scraps i have, minus the onions, peppers and citrus as well. I'm not much of a thermophilic composter anymore, i just keep the compost loosely covered with the tarp and let nature take its course.

Thanks for the idea. I'm going to try some lettuce now. Think I have seeds. I've been doing worm even less time than you. My concern is the wigglers keep crawling through the drain holes. Then they just hang in the bottom. I don't know if they're unhappy. Maybe they're cold? Every day I scoop them up and put them back in and count how many there were but I can't correlate their numbers with the problem. I suspected low outside pressure and relative hum might drives them to explore but I'm not totally convinced. Also maybe coincidence bit when I added old leaves and larf they suddenly stopped. Lastly, I'm into giving them beet leftovers from the juicer. I have a feeling it's good. Beet tops too.
so two things come to mind for your bin. 1) it's too wet and they're trying to get out and 2) they're not getting enough oxygen.

I would rule out them being cold, because when they are cold they will form dense clusters with each other to keep warm.

I try not to add too much water to my bin. once i've wet the leaves and peat moss, i pretty much never add water, unless i'm using a spray bottle to mist. if you start with properly moistened bedding, and keep your bin covered loosely with a piece of poly, there really isn't much evaporation that can take place.

hope that helps narrow it down.
 

raggyb

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Nice man, hope it goes well and keep me updated. I'd always like to see someone else's results as well. What kind of soil mix are you using at the moment?
I was just using mushroom and cotton bur compost and pete, but I added chemical ferts. I may do one with the same soil but no chemical ferts, and get my organic feet wet starting with worm poop teas.

I'm sure the beets will go over well in the bin and also add a lot of benefits to the end product as well. Beets are very nutrient dense I would think.
Beets are high in Mn. Oats too. A nice little mineral.

I did get a large supply of pumpkins in the late fall
I'd like a separate bin if they multiply. Pumkins would be good for the high K bin.
 

raggyb

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so two things come to mind for your bin. 1) it's too wet and they're trying to get out and 2) they're not getting enough oxygen.

I would rule out them being cold, because when they are cold they will form dense clusters with each other to keep warm.

I try not to add too much water to my bin. once i've wet the leaves and peat moss, i pretty much never add water, unless i'm using a spray bottle to mist. if you start with properly moistened bedding, and keep your bin covered loosely with a piece of poly, there really isn't much evaporation that can take place.

hope that helps narrow it down.
It might be the oxygen. I've been wondering if my vents are too small. I'll try a day or two with the top off. I have not added much water.
 

ACitizenofColorado

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Can anybody tell me what the hell this is? I don’t think it’s a roach... this one has been in the box for a couple of months and stayed the same size, today I saw two more the same size. I’ll try and get a better picture but it’s elusive

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Oh, @DankTankerous. I've seen those before and think know the solution.

Douse your home and the surrounding area in gasoline or your preferred fuel, stand back at a safe distance, and remember to account for bullet drop when shooting the flare gun. .

No disrespect intended. Just kidding. I got some insect frass from Build-a-soil and loved it. Couldn't imagine having roaches in the house.
 

ACitizenofColorado

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How do you folks manage your worm bins to proactively do what you can to prevent them from introducing undesirable pests? In reading many threads I noted at least one where the discussion turned into 'what type of mite' was in the bin (good ones versus the dreaded ones). That led me to think about how would I go about identifying the risks and any action I could take to proactively prevent introducing something to the indoors (bin is in garage but near other growing media/tools/containers/amendments/etc).
I love this question!

Some have characterized my worm and soil making method as a bit excessive. For worms, there are two parts, in my opinion: the existing environment and the things you routinely introduce as food for the worms. You want to create a healthy worm bed, with diverse beneficial predator populations, to prevent outbreaks of harmful things. I think this is a largely passive process.

I introduced rove beetles, hypoapsis mites, and like three or four other types of beneficials into my grow tent. I probably directly introduced some into the worm bins when the benficials arrived, but probably also inoculated over time. I haven't recently because I'm not too worried about my bin/bins. But, after introducing beneficial to your tent, it's not a bad idea to throw a few handfuls of soil with evidently healthy beneficial predator populations. I do this when transplanting from smaller to larger pots, deliberately grabbing a few rove beetles for each pot.

If your bin is anywhere near your grow, I would sterilize and/or inoculate everything! When making soil, I sterilize the peat, aeration (rice, pumice and biochar) and compost separately. I attempt to separate all of the worms and eggs I can see from the compost prior to mixing.

As to why I don't worry about my bin/bins, prior to getting a 72 gallon (3 ft diameter and 12-14 inches deep), I used some 20-25 gallon smart pots. After moving to a 72 gallon smart pot, the pot has a critical mass of beneficial life, (I believe).

I also switched to plastic bins for the smaller batches and soil mixes because smart pots under 72 gallons dry to quickly, creating a large vertical, circular column around the edges of the pots, except for the top when under plastic or a layer of hay or rice.

So, it's two fold: 1) create at least one large AND multiple other smaller, back up bins with populations of beneficial predators, optimally ones you can see, and 2) attempt to sterilize everything going into your worm bins or grow room. Sterilized soil is then inoculated with small handfuls of soil and teas made from the existing bins.

The probability of transferring beneficials is high, and the probability of transferring harmful things is acceptably low.
 

DankTankerous

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Oh, @DankTankerous. I've seen those before and think know the solution.

Douse your home and the surrounding area in gasoline or your preferred fuel, stand back at a safe distance, and remember to account for bullet drop when shooting the flare gun. .

No disrespect intended. Just kidding. I got some insect frass from Build-a-soil and loved it. Couldn't imagine having roaches in the house.
Lol I was like is this guy serious?!?! Thanks for replying though I did a search and destroy mission. I found like 5... eek. No problems since. At least they contributed though, insect frass is great.

I made a catnip tea and sprayed the box, apparently that discourages them as well as cucumbers
 

raggyb

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so two things come to mind for your bin. 1) it's too wet and they're trying to get out and 2) they're not getting enough oxygen.

I would rule out them being cold, because when they are cold they will form dense clusters with each other to keep warm.

I try not to add too much water to my bin. once i've wet the leaves and peat moss, i pretty much never add water, unless i'm using a spray bottle to mist. if you start with properly moistened bedding, and keep your bin covered loosely with a piece of poly, there really isn't much evaporation that can take place.

hope that helps narrow it down.
So I took the bin top off for two days and it didn't seem to help. Some started clumping together in the catch bin after crawling through the holes, so maybe it is cold? I'll try to find a meat thermometer just to see temp. Tried adding a little alfalfa today to heat it up.
I looked for info on the low end of temps good for worms. Listened to this guy https://www.redwormcomposting.com/podcasts/cold-weather-vermicomposting-questions-answered/ Don't know how to fast forward so listened to his 45 minutes on worms!
I think the high end is 86, but I cant find the low end. He says for red worms and down almost to freezing, like 45 F ok. Aren't red worms and red wigglers are the same thing? So this is real outside stuff.
My air temp is about 68 by the bin. Maybe it's ok but obviously I want the worms to be happy.
 

ShLUbY

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So I took the bin top off for two days and it didn't seem to help. Some started clumping together in the catch bin after crawling through the holes, so maybe it is cold? I'll try to find a meat thermometer just to see temp. Tried adding a little alfalfa today to heat it up.
I looked for info on the low end of temps good for worms. Listened to this guy https://www.redwormcomposting.com/podcasts/cold-weather-vermicomposting-questions-answered/ Don't know how to fast forward so listened to his 45 minutes on worms!
I think the high end is 86, but I cant find the low end. He says for red worms and down almost to freezing, like 45 F ok. Aren't red worms and red wigglers are the same thing? So this is real outside stuff.
My air temp is about 68 by the bin. Maybe it's ok but obviously I want the worms to be happy.
careful with the nitrogen in the bin. creates a lot of nitrogenous waste for them if i remember correctly.

i'm not sure how to help... and yeah i think 45-50 is like the extreme low end. it'll really slow metabolic processes.

you're sure the bin is not to wet? is it heavy for its size? the only time i ever had problems was when my bedding was too wet.

and why would you fast forward when you only have knowledge to gain? learning is always time well spent :)
 

raggyb

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careful with the nitrogen in the bin. creates a lot of nitrogenous waste for them if i remember correctly.

i'm not sure how to help... and yeah i think 45-50 is like the extreme low end. it'll really slow metabolic processes.

you're sure the bin is not to wet? is it heavy for its size? the only time i ever had problems was when my bedding was too wet.

and why would you fast forward when you only have knowledge to gain? learning is always time well spent :)
Right, I probably wouldnt have found it if I was fast forwarding :).
I just put a little Alfalfa. The bins a bit heavy maybe, because it's a big one, as bins go. But the material's only about 5 " high. I'm not sure about the wetness, I don't think so but could be. But my guess is it's too dry now if anything. I did read on the same site that 76 F is ideal for mating so I assume 76 might be ideal in general. I'm recycling used soil to it that might have some salt build up. So that might be another thing if they don't like salts.
 

loco41

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Right, I probably wouldnt have found it if I was fast forwarding :).
I just put a little Alfalfa. The bins a bit heavy maybe, because it's a big one, as bins go. But the material's only about 5 " high. I'm not sure about the wetness, I don't think so but could be. But my guess is it's too dry now if anything. I did read on the same site that 76 F is ideal for mating so I assume 76 might be ideal in general. I'm recycling used soil to it that might have some salt build up. So that might be another thing if they don't like salts.
nice to see you and shluby working through this, thank you guys. Since I have the bottom escapee worms in my bin as well, I've been paying a little more attention to it lately. I feel like I am seeing the bigger more "earthworm" type worms in my bottom bin. I bought my worms from uncle jims online and remember reading that there will be a few species of worms since they have multiple species on their farms. I tend to think I just dont have the ideal scenario going on for these types of worms because I never see any of the smaller/darker top dwelling (what i presume to be the red wigglers from reading about them before I set it all up) worms down in the bottom bin. Not sure if this is relevant to your situation, but just my observation over the past week or so. Where did you source your worms from?

I also think I could use a better set up to allow more oxygen in as well from reading your guys previous posts. I have like 50 holes drilled on the top lid and a bunch along the upper rim of the active tote as air flow sources. I use 2 19 gallon totes, one is bedding/feed and the other is my "leachate" bin. My feeding bin is stacked on top of some random supports to keep it propped up better and give a little more space for airflow into the bottom bin. How big are the totes that you guys are using?

On a positive note, fed a bunch of thawed pumpkin with 2 tablespoons of oats mixed in a couple of days ago and all scraps have been devoured. Worms went crazy for it. I picked up a handful of castings that were on top of the feed and had a solid layer of worms in a frenzy going after it all. Raggyb, how did the feeding with the beets go? I just got some fresh ones yesterday for some smoothies and was curious if the scraps were a good addition to the worm bin or if they should just be tossed in the outside piles.
 

raggyb

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nice to see you and shluby working through this, thank you guys. Since I have the bottom escapee worms in my bin as well, I've been paying a little more attention to it lately. I feel like I am seeing the bigger more "earthworm" type worms in my bottom bin. I bought my worms from uncle jims online and remember reading that there will be a few species of worms since they have multiple species on their farms. I tend to think I just dont have the ideal scenario going on for these types of worms because I never see any of the smaller/darker top dwelling (what i presume to be the red wigglers from reading about them before I set it all up) worms down in the bottom bin. Not sure if this is relevant to your situation, but just my observation over the past week or so. Where did you source your worms from?

I also think I could use a better set up to allow more oxygen in as well from reading your guys previous posts. I have like 50 holes drilled on the top lid and a bunch along the upper rim of the active tote as air flow sources. I use 2 19 gallon totes, one is bedding/feed and the other is my "leachate" bin. My feeding bin is stacked on top of some random supports to keep it propped up better and give a little more space for airflow into the bottom bin. How big are the totes that you guys are using?

On a positive note, fed a bunch of thawed pumpkin with 2 tablespoons of oats mixed in a couple of days ago and all scraps have been devoured. Worms went crazy for it. I picked up a handful of castings that were on top of the feed and had a solid layer of worms in a frenzy going after it all. Raggyb, how did the feeding with the beets go? I just got some fresh ones yesterday for some smoothies and was curious if the scraps were a good addition to the worm bin or if they should just be tossed in the outside piles.
I'm glad you asked that. There's no sign of beets or any other veggies. I buried everythIing and left it alone so I don't have a feeling for the level of frenzy for different stuff. The totes are 32 gals but the soil is about 4 inches deep. I have 8 2" holes in the lid. I raised up to between the totes separated by 2 bricks. I have 20 1/8 inch holes in the side at 4", and maybe 10 1/4 holes in bottom for drainage. But looking for the food just now I realized just the slightest off smell and wetter lower down. Call it intuition but it felt right to dig 2 holes and leave them so some air will get in lower down. We'll see what the does in a couple of days.
 

raggyb

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I'm glad you asked that. There's no sign of beets or any other veggies. I buried everythIing and left it alone so I don't have a feeling for the level of frenzy for different stuff. The totes are 32 gals but the soil is about 4 inches deep. I have 8 2" holes in the lid. I raised up to between the totes separated by 2 bricks. I have 20 1/8 inch holes in the side at 4", and maybe 10 1/4 holes in bottom for drainage. But looking for the food just now I realized just the slightest off smell and wetter lower down. Call it intuition but it felt right to dig 2 holes and leave them so some air will get in lower down. We'll see what the does in a couple of days.
So for one day two days later for once there were no worms in the bottom bin. But next day it got real cold and I found many in the bottom, and they were grumping together like Shluby said they do. The next day the same. I'm trying feeding them. I with I had a heater to warm them up a little with. I'll move them closer to a radiator. I found a meat thermometer, but it starts at 100F so that's not useful. I'm afraid I'm torturing them!
 

ShLUbY

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So for one day two days later for once there were no worms in the bottom bin. But next day it got real cold and I found many in the bottom, and they were grumping together like Shluby said they do. The next day the same. I'm trying feeding them. I with I had a heater to warm them up a little with. I'll move them closer to a radiator. I found a meat thermometer, but it starts at 100F so that's not useful. I'm afraid I'm torturing them!
are they outside or something? why so cold?
 

raggyb

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are they outside or something? why so cold?
just down by the floor in the basement. It's quite cold outside. The floor is maybe 6 degrees colder than near the ceiling. I guess 68 degrees. A couple of clumps of maybe 6 worms each. I mean not hundreds, but more than usual.
 

ShLUbY

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just down by the floor in the basement. It's quite cold outside. The floor is maybe 6 degrees colder than near the ceiling. I guess 68 degrees. A couple of clumps of maybe 6 worms each. I mean not hundreds, but more than usual.
prop them up off the floor if you haven't done so yet. are you sure you have red wigglers and not some sort of european crawler that burrows lower? 68 isn't too cold for worms. my basement is at least that if not a little cooler. i keep my bin off the floor. my worms are at the surface almost always... so something seems off here.

edit: and if they were cold, and the bin is on the floor... they'd go to the surface where it is warmer, surely.
 

raggyb

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edit: and if they were cold, and the bin is on the floor... they'd go to the surface where it is warmer, surely.
Yeah for the last 2 days for the first time ever I'm finding some going up to the lid and not down.
prop them up off the floor if you haven't done so yet. are you sure you have red wigglers and not some sort of european crawler that burrows lower? 68 isn't too cold for worms. my basement is at least that if not a little cooler. i keep my bin off the floor. my worms are at the surface almost always... surely.
Thanks for the info on your temps. I'm 4" off the floor on bricks. They're supposed to be red wigglers. So today I fed to get some idea if they are hungry. It should still be cold tomorrow. Just for the sake of it I'll move it closer to a radiator since that's easy. How deep is your bin with material?
 

ShLUbY

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Yeah for the last 2 days for the first time ever I'm finding some going up to the lid and not down.

Thanks for the info on your temps. I'm 4" off the floor on bricks. They're supposed to be red wigglers. So today I fed to get some idea if they are hungry. It should still be cold tomorrow. Just for the sake of it I'll move it closer to a radiator since that's easy. How deep is your bin with material?
well the bricks probably are as cold as the cement haha, maybe try an empty tote or something that won't pull the heat outta the bin. Closer to the radiator may not even be necessary, 68 is plenty warm. But man, going up to the lid now too? that what the worms do that make it through the casting harvester after i store the castings in a tote with a lid... looking for oxygen.

what did you use for the feed?

my bedding is probably 10-12" deep
 
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