The people back then owe the people back then something. 88 mph maybe?
Should we have participated in WWII?
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bearkat42
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Nah, I'm good with laughing at those who'd suggest that I'd fight for a country that never fought for me. We'll just call it "even".
NLXSK1
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So all those soldiers that have fought and died since you have been born were not fighting for you? Does that mean the black ones too or just the white ones? I thought they fought for all Americans.
bearkat42
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Nope. They weren't fighting for me. "All Americans"? Lol, no. No such concept exists.
pnwmystery
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Our entry into WWII was somewhat inevitable. WWI is a little iffy. Yes there are specific wars that we should have participated in; though sometimes the arguments against are completely valid (Bosnia for example: Yes to stop genocide, no because of mission creep and the fear of another Black Hawk Down scenario, Somalia is another one that I can see completely validation in both sides).
NLXSK1
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Ok, fine. The question was never would 'You' fight for America. The question was should America get into foreign wars and what are the parameters. I aint asking you to step up.
NLXSK1
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This is where I am at and my grey area... I am not sure whether we knew that Germany was committing genocide when we started aiding our allies with equipment and supplies. With Japan, we were directly attacked by a foreign power.
Now flip it around and look at Syria. We were arming and supplying the rebels which were essentially terrorists fighting a war against the Syrian government. How fucking hypocritical is that? Essentially we are aiding terrorists.
We crossed the border and assassinated Osama Bin Laden without the knowledge or permission of the Pakastani's. I am not making a value judgement on this saying that it was justified or not. However, we do not respect the sovereignty of other countries.
Total military isolation seems impossible so where is the balancing point?
bearkat42
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I'm sorry. The title of the thread said "we". What was I thinking.
pnwmystery
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I'm not entirely sure we knew what Germany was doing until about 1943, beyond them rounding up Jews, and so called subversives. Keep in mind though that Nazi Germany declared war on the United States on December 11th, 1941, which is why I said that our entrance into World War II was inevitable. What's interesting here is that hours after Nazi Germany declared war on the US, Congress voted to declare war on Germany (FDR asked Congress to declare war on Japan). However, I do think that WWII was a justified cause: Democracy against fascism.
Military interventionism is something that's pretty interesting to me; a lot of it can be argued both ways and I usually do see and argue both sides of the coin because I do agree with both sides of the coin (unfortunately for me). It's not that I can't "make up my mind," but sometimes scenarios can drastically change. At first, of course, I was for support of the rebels in Syria. Then the waters got murky, and now we're in a huge mess. Same kind of thing with Osama Bin Laden and Pakistan.
I'll agree with you though that total military isolation is impossible. The balancing point I believe lies in good intelligence, and we all know how hard that can be too lol.
NLXSK1
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Yeah... the we was part of .... Should WE have..... So, what the hell were you thinking? I doubt you were military age in the 1940's so you should have figured it out.... LOL!
bearkat42
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Again, I've NEVER been "military age". I'll always be too young to go and fight for some rich white people.
Corso312
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Yes, we had to get into WW2.
Even if we beat the piss out of Japan and stopped before the bomb..we would have to have dealt with Germany eventually.. Let's say it took 18 months to conquer Japan, by then, Hitler would have conquered Europe and set their eyes on us a decade later after they finished off Russia n England.
Hitler really fucked up when he declared war on us, The President didn't have the authority to do shit to Germany, just Japan..but that arrogant prick Hitler declared war on us.
Even if we beat the piss out of Japan and stopped before the bomb..we would have to have dealt with Germany eventually.. Let's say it took 18 months to conquer Japan, by then, Hitler would have conquered Europe and set their eyes on us a decade later after they finished off Russia n England.
Hitler really fucked up when he declared war on us, The President didn't have the authority to do shit to Germany, just Japan..but that arrogant prick Hitler declared war on us.
hondagrower420
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Hitler would have took England. Not to sure about Russia. I feel like that might have been dead lock.
Corso312
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It seems like even when we joined England n Russia, we had our hands full with them.. I always thought the ' Battle of the buldge' was over a key hill or something ..my grandpa was injured there...I later found out from watching documentary that the bulge was like a hail Mary by hitler, a final push to get through allied lines and get more fuel and ammo etc..and it nearly worked.
Fogdog
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The Japanese attack on the Philippines would have brought us into the war anyway. Pearl Harbor was a preemptive strike and probably the worst move in terms of propaganda in history. But the Japanese knew we would not sit on our hands when they attacked Manilla and Corrigador. There was no way they would leave that real estate in the control of a hostile country which was the case with the US towards Japan. Our entry in the second world war was a given. We got a lot of good war movies out of it too. I probably liked Kelly's Heros the best. Oddball was my favorite. Have a little faith baby, have a little faith.
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Nutes and Nugs
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Nutes and Nugs
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bearkat42
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I've seen it.
