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Schwaggy P

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I decided to try out Terpinator for a current run and have found that it really improves the intensity of the smell. It is something that I would like to incorporate into my nutrient regimen. Unfortunately, the required dosage and relatively steep price has me hesitant to commit.

The label reads: Soluble Potash (K2O)……4.0%, Derived from Potassium Sulfate
Add 5-10mL/gal in veg
Add 10-30mL/gal in flower

So I have decided to try to replicate this additive by mixing my own Potassium Sulfate solution and testing it on a run of the same cut that has responded well to Terpinator.

I have done some calculations and found that in order to create the same concentration of Soluble Potash derived from Potassium Sulfate, I will need to add 300g of Potassium Sulfate per gallon of water (The math is included below).

:!:PLEASE NOTE: I have yet to apply this to plants. I will be testing this mixture and making notes of any issues/successes and suggestions for possible further adjustment. Do not try this at home (yet). Neither Schwaggy P, nor any Schwaggy P subsidiaries are responsible for any grower attempting this recipe or the results thereof.

MATERIALS
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One gallon distilled water
Potassium Sulfate
Container for the solution
Scale
Gloves
Flask (optional for smaller mixed solutions)


PROCEDURE
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Wearing gloves, mass the Potassium Sulfate (pic 1).

:!:Make sure to weigh out amounts that your scale can handle. If your scale cannot handle 300g measurements, mass several “batches” of Potassium Sulfate to equal 300g

Carefully transfer the Potassium Sulfate into your container (pic 2).

:!:A funnel may be helpful

Pour about half of the distilled water into the container (pic3).

:!:Filling only half way allows room for you to shake the solution and assist the dissolving process

Shake the container vigorously (pic 4), then fill the container with the remaining half of distilled water. At this point you have a one-gallon terpene-enhancing additive for less than 1/10th the cost of the store bought version.

TESTING
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I decided to see what the TDS contribution would be of both solutions. I added 0.5mL of each solution to their own sample of distilled water and measured the increase in TDS. The dosage is equivalent to the median recommended feeding dosage of 20mL/gallon.

In Series A, the Terp Enhancinator contributed an increase of 251.5ppm(0.5 scale)
In series B, the Terpinator contributed an increase of 379.9ppm

The DIY mix is a colorless and odorless solution, while the Terpinator has a yellowish color with a smell. These additions may explain the slight increased TDS contribution of the Terpinator. The take-away for me is that my DIY mix is not an astronomical overshoot of something like 2,600ppm. The relatively closeness of the ppm suggests the solution is not going to severely alter my reservoir chemistry.

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I took a sample of nutrient solution from a reservoir to test possible precipitate formation upon addition of the DIY mix. There was no visible precipitate formation when a 10ml/gal equivalent dosage was applied. The reservoir nutrient solution had a starting concentration of 635ppm (pic 5) and finished with a 730ppm (pic 6) concentration after the DIY mix was added.

Since the final DIY mix had a slightly lower concentration contribution than the Terpinator (expected since there are more non nutritive additions) and there was friendly interaction with nutrient solution, I feel this will be okay to try on my plants. I will use begin using this mix as directed to best replicate the Terpinator and assess the performance. I will update as things progress.

REFERENCE
Potassium Sulfate MSDS

https://n.b5z.net/i/u/10066364/f/Potassium_Sulfate_-_MSDS.pdf
Potassium Sulfate Spec Sheet
https://alphachemicals.com/i/u/10066364/f/Potassium_Sulfate_-_Spec.pdf

MATH
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Thank you :blsmoke:

So far the Terp Enhancinator as been in the rez for 3 weeks and the Green Crack S1 are putting off more intense smell than runs without any terp additive. The difference I'm observing between the Terpinator vs. Terp E. is that where the Terpinator really augmented the fruit/guava profile first, the Terp Enhancinator has brought out the onion/B.O./astringent terps strong.

The GC terp profile is: Astringent/Sour/Garlic/Guava
The Terpinator crop did finish with the smell profile "rounding out" with the other components of the GC smell, but the Guava aspect seemed more prominent than other GC runs. The Terpinator produced a more pronounced smell to the crop, so it seemed to do what it claimed.

The Terp Enhancinator has really turned up the more offensive parts of the smell. I'd assume the final smell will also round out with the other usual terps. If the pattern of what comes on strong first remains accentuated, then it seems Terp Enhancinator may be a better choice for the more skunky funky terp boost. I put a couple Chocolate Covered Strawberries on the tray to see how fruity/sweeter terps are affected, and they don't seem to be showing as much of a kick in intensity.

The dosage as calculated seems to be just fine, the ppm boost is no problem (as seen in the testing) and the plants are not expressing any nutrient issues. The Terp E. crop still has some time to go, but I'm feeling pretty good about what I'm seeing so far.
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After growing out a clone in 3 separate runs: No terp additive, Terpinator, and Terp Enhancinator, I have smelled and tasted the resulting buds for comparison.

SMELL COMPARISON
The Terpinator sample had a more intense overall smell. It is as if the smell profile I’m familiar with was turned up a couple notches. There was no noticeably featured notes to the smell, nothing was either augmented or diminished in the smell palette to detract from the usual bouquet. There was a bit of sweetness to the smell that is not usually found in this bud.

The Terp Enhancinator (TE) did not have similar results. The TE sample was only marginally more intense of an overall smell when compared to the sample without any terp additive. The noteworthy effect was that the TE seems to accentuate a pinesol-esque segment of the bouquet. There was a detectable increase in a nostril-stinging astringent note. The sample usually has a solvent-like aspect to her smell, but the TE seems to have highlighted a piney/lemony tone that is usually very subtle if present at all. Also, the TE sample was less sweet than the Terpinator sample. The subtle sweetness of the Terpinator sample was not present with the TE sample, but instead a sharper finish that could be attributed to the accentuated lemon pinesol note. Unfortunately, the TE did not seem to increase the intensity of the smell, only rearrange the priorities of featured aspects to the smell profile.

TASTE COMPARISON
The Terpinator sample had mixed reviews during taste testing that I could attribute to the testers’ taste preferences. One person found the taste to be a slightly muted version of the non-additive sample and preferred the unadulterated control bud. Another person found an increased sweetness to the taste and preferred the Terpinator sample to the control.

The Terp Enhancinator fared better in the taste testing. One tester stated that the taste was a more evenly increased flavor to either the control or Terpinator buds. Another tester found the TE sample to be more flavorful than the control, but only slightly lagging the Terpinator sample.

HONORABLE MENTION
I used the Terp Enhancinator on a round of H.A.OG to see how the additive interacts with a different plant. The lemon pinesol was dramatically increased in the resulting bud. Being that this is an OG and these terp notes are synonymous, this was a fitting addition to the final samples. The H.A.OG tends to the earthy fuel expression without terp additive, but the fuel aspect has been refined to include the hints of lemon and pine to the usual sting. These added notes are by no means drowning out the usual flavor, but have accented the underlying bouquet in a very pleasing way. I would say that I enjoy the Terp Enhancinator buds more than those without.
 

Schwaggy P

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CONCLUSION
While the Terpinator did what it claims, namely, intensify the terpene content; the increase was not wildly dramatic. If I could put a value to the increase, I would say the smell was increased about 20-30%. While this is a noticeable increase in the terps, the price tag of the Terpinator still seems to make the decision to incorporate this additive into my nutrient regimen a toss-up. If I were doing a small single-tent grow, I would probably include Terpinator with each grow, but if you are doing multi-room commercial runs, this is going to be a hefty increase in production cost that may not see enough return depending on your market’s ability to absorb price increase. If I were to grow for a competition entry, I would consider including Terpinator for that cycle.

The Terp Enhancinator did not perform as well overall as the Terpinator, but the very low cost of incorporating the additive may allow some budget growers access to a terp enhancer. Terp Enhancinator had a more pronounced influence in the taste than the smell. It seems clear that the TE is missing something in the recipe that the Terpinator includes.

Ultimately, it seems the two terpene additives worked to bring out different sections of the smell profile. Terpinator had a nice across the board increase in intensity with some accentuated sweetness and Terp Enhancinator had lackluster intensity increase, but pronounced increase in lemon/pine notes seen in two different plants. These additives seem situational to me: if you have a plant with lemon/pine and want them exaggerated in smell/taste, use the Terp Enhancinator. If you have a plant that is a bit muted in smell and has sweet notes you’d like to highlight, reach for the Terpinator. While this test could have been better including many types of plants, I was not blown away by either additive to the point of feeling cheated by any grow that did not include them.
 

Schwaggy P

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Breeding tent #2 just filled with recently retired moms and backup clones. I'll post better photos when they fill out a bit more. Tent #1 is being held open to serve as quarantine for new cuts.

The pollen donor will be my Schwaggy Afghan Skunk (Green Crack S1 x Granny Skunk)F1 male that was selected for pollinating his sisters to carry the line to the next generation.

Females include: Appalachian Super Skunk, Banana OG (OrgnKid's cut), Chem91JB, Chem D, and GG4.
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Baja.Beaches

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Breeding tent #2 just filled with recently retired moms and backup clones. I'll post better photos when they fill out a bit more. Tent #1 is being held open to serve as quarantine for new cuts.

The pollen donor will be my Schwaggy Afghan Skunk (Green Crack S1 x Granny Skunk)F1 male that was selected for pollinating his sisters to carry the line to the next generation.

Females include: Appalachian Super Skunk, Banana OG (OrgnKid's cut), Chem91JB, Chem D, and GG4.
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Now that is an hall of fame lineup, every single one of them. Love your choices. :clap::bigjoint:
 

Schwaggy P

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Now that is an hall of fame lineup, every single one of them. Love your choices. :clap::bigjoint:
Thanks. Of the potential starting points for future work, I foresee the Appy Super Skunk and ChemJB being solid candidates. The other crosses will probably stay at F1 and become freebies.

I'm waiting on incorporating fruity profiles until I have my Durban-Thai Highflyer male selected. I have 2 fruit lines in mind, but I won't get to advertising it until I can secure the necessary parent stock. There are a couple of classic clone-onlys that would be perfect to pair with the Highflyer (assuming it expresses as described). It will be a slight departure from the usual stank I work on, but I think it plays well within my predilection for older genetics.
 
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Schwaggy P

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Chem Kesey X xmas tree bud ‘79
Taken in the past weeks. All are over 3 feet tall. Ones pushing six at least. Already smelly
They're looking great! The structure has really expressed well with tighter internodes than the Chem Kesey mother, but still open enough for light to get in. Already smelly is music to my ears :mrgreen:. I'm excited to see how they perform, thanks for updating.
 

Schwaggy P

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I'm very pleased with the Skunky D. When I started the Chem-Skunk project with the different Chemdogs, I wanted plants that had the offensive profile in the nose with a slightly more compact "Skunk" look and Chemdog chemotypes. The Chem D is really fitting the bill and in F1 no less. The first pheno pictured has a "jagged" overall look to her that reminds me of some Mass Super Skunk crosses I've grown. The Skunky Brewster is allowing a lot of the Chem D terp profile to express throughout the population with a more compact stature. I have yet to spot any signs of hermaphroditism in the Skunky D. I have pollinated for a next gen, but I'm sure most would be pleased with what can be found from a pack of the F1.

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Different pheno, just as offensive on the nose with a more rounded look. The Skunky Brewster has increased the frost production and shortened the overall height (not stumpy, just not as lanky). The stem strength has also been improved from the Chem D; I have been able to avoid tying up individual branches. If these ladies can finish in the 9-10 week window and have that Chem D kick, we may have something here :weed:.
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GreenHighlander

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thenasty1

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gelato 45 x ecto cooler under 260w 4k qb
16 days from seed in this pic, they moved to flower after i took it. keeping things small in the r&d lab for the summer. 7/7 germ rate, 2 of them popped in under 36 hours. the lower left is a sakura to fill in the empty slot. looking forward to seeing schwaggy gear in action firsthand
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Schwaggy P

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gelato 45 x ecto cooler under 260w 4k qb
16 days from seed in this pic, they moved to flower after i took it. keeping things small in the r&d lab for the summer. 7/7 germ rate, 2 of them popped in under 36 hours. the lower left is a sakura to fill in the empty slot. looking forward to seeing schwaggy gear in action firsthand
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That's awesome! Thanks for the garden real estate. I appreciate the update and look forward to see how they perform for you. :D
 

CoB_nUt

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She's happy. I see the Cherry Sunshine expression coming through on this pheno. Is she putting off any Cherry smell?
Cherry Sunshine expression eh? Data point collected.Thank you Schwaggy.
I don't usually do stem rubs or try to check the noses on pic day. Lol,it never works out well. Handling different strains and such.Also,she is in the PPK tent.
She has outgrown the the cage by at least a foot.
I need to clean her lowers,not very much light getting to the bottom 1/3 of the plant and I'm getting leaf die off from lack of light.

Schwaggy,not sure if I've ever seen you post on this.Do you defoliate.In general,not this or any cultivar specifically.

She isn't leafy,nor is this gal what I'd call a good candidate for my usual aggressive defoliation practices because of her non leafyness.
I'll see about the nose and stem rub @ lights on.
 

Schwaggy P

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Schwaggy,not sure if I've ever seen you post on this.Do you defoliate.In general,not this or any cultivar specifically.
In general, I do not defoliate beyond removing a few leaves that are on top of each other as a preventative for PM. There is one case in which I do a systematic defoliation, for Afghan Skunks.

Af.Skunks have a tendency to be short, stacked, and leafy. They also seem to respond much better in bud development with the increased light penetration. I like to target the fans that face inward toward the main trunk in order to "open up" the middle of the plant. I never do the aggressive full stripping of all leaves. I've tried different intensities/frequencies/timings of defoliating my Afghan Skunks and found that they respond best with a moderate defol. at flip and another at around week 4 removing between 20-30% of redundant leaves. Any removal after week 6 seems to greatly affect their performance.

In most cases of defoliation, I still like to leave a lower fan leaf attached to the main stalk of the plant, as this leaf is the first to show signs of a certain nutrients issues. So it serves as a sacrificial alert that it's time to adjust the feed. The main fans usually express nutrient issues before the secondary branch fans, so it gives you a heads up before affecting higher value targets of your plant.
 

Schwaggy P

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Hell's Hypotenuse
(HAOG x Black Triangle) = [HAOG x (Triangle Kush x 88G13HP)]​

The phenos can segregate pretty hard to either parent. The H.A.OG phenos look like dead ringers with narrower leaves, the swollen "grape-like" OG calyxes, and lanky structure that needs support later in flower.
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The Black Triangle leaners are considerably higher yielding and more of the dense solid cola style bud development. The structures are eager to branch and can support itself through most of flower.
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Here are the different ends of the pheno spectrum with the HH. The lanky lady in the rear left is very HAOG dom.
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