RWDC, Do you need air pump in every container?
- Thread starter jshrooms
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Who cares how many times I've posted on this site? Posting on an internet forum does not make you a good grower. Note my join date here. I've been on this forum and many others much longer than you. I don't post my grows and only post when I have a question or suggestion, which with all of the valuable info here, isn't very often.
Go check out the thread I directed you to and you will find someone who has more than enough "internet cred" and, more importantly, a lot more growing experience and success than most people on any site. You can believe what you want, but don't go around providing false information to people. You can use air stones. Plenty of people do and are successful, but if you don't want to spend the money, don't want the added heat that comes with stones, and want a more effective method of introducing oxygen to the water, go with Big Toke's method. Air stones create extremely tiny bubbles which are less effective. Surface disruption is the effect you are looking for either way. The waterfall method will introduce plenty of oxygen to the water.
Or, keep telling people incorrect information.
jason1976
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or take the word of someone whom knows someone. ive been doing dwc and rdwc for years. air makes a diffrence. call the hydro store and ask. theyll tell you the same thing. no need to get haostile just stating facts that im more than sure 100 people will back up and swear by it that are on here.
Listen, you don't seem to be getting this, which would explain a lot. Air stones or bubblers don't actually release oxygen into the water. Those bubbles float to the top and burst, which creates surface disruption, which is actually what creates dissolved oxygen in the water. Because of that fact, the water fall method is actually much more effective because it creates far more surface disruption.
There have been countless growers that have used this method to great success. You're not helping the conversation by coming here and telling the OP that your way is the only way because that's the only way you've done. Air stones work, but they have their drawbacks. The OP asked if there was any other way, not to be misinformed by someone telling him there's only one way.
To quote Big Toke:
jason1976
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i suppose there is no arguing with someone obviously so right. theres plenty to support either way. done both actually have both going right now. the stones help. and although you dont realize it...air is fusing with the water. ever go to the fish store? see em put the fish in the bag and the air twist it shut? since that fish doesnt breath air through lungs the air would be pointless in the bag. but as said it puts o2 in the water. mr wizard.
MJDeity
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You are not listening to anything the other poster is saying and you sound like you don't know what you are talking about. You only know your little way and what some hack at your local hydro tells you. The other poster explained in detail about surface disruption yet you still don't get what's going on. You still believe air stones add air to the buckets LOL. So can you explain to all of us where the Earth has an air stone since that is the way you think oxygen is added to water? Wait, there is no such thing but there are Waterfalls AND rivers!!!!
BTW, I am also an expert in Salt Water tanks and you have no clue what you are talking about when it comes to that either. Ever see a salt water tank? Not one air stone or even an air pump in site yet there is always oxygen in the water.
One thing about the internet is it's entertaining with all these morons running around spouting off bull shit.
The Groff
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Hi ! I'm new (around here).
Waterfall & Fluming. Thats where its at.
The rest certainly works, but its "old school" tech. Nothing wrong with it whatsoever! Certainly works. But there is better.
iadburner is 100% spot on.
Never ever ever "listen" to what the guys at the hydro store say. Its not that they dont know their stuff, its that they have to sell stuff, and will happily sell you whatever they think is the best for you, which is more too often not the case.
Waterfall & Fluming. Thats where its at.
The rest certainly works, but its "old school" tech. Nothing wrong with it whatsoever! Certainly works. But there is better.
iadburner is 100% spot on.
Never ever ever "listen" to what the guys at the hydro store say. Its not that they dont know their stuff, its that they have to sell stuff, and will happily sell you whatever they think is the best for you, which is more too often not the case.
MJDeity
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Plus they are most likely chumps with a high school diploma making minimum wage, yet jason1976 looks up to them. That does not bode well for his intelligence, or lack there of.
PetFlora
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Waterfalls or Flooming?
I bought a $30 aquarium waterfall. It did not do what I wanted as the pump was too small AND the fall was too short. Yes I could have spent ~ $60, but why?
A 160 gph pump ($10) with riser and elbow creates good flow. Aiming the flow on top of a pile of river rocks ($1 per bag at Dollar Store) creates splash as well. Make sure top of rocks is ~ 3-4" above the water line
Hydro Halo ring was an experiment to spread the flow over the rocks, it is not necessary.
I bought a $30 aquarium waterfall. It did not do what I wanted as the pump was too small AND the fall was too short. Yes I could have spent ~ $60, but why?
A 160 gph pump ($10) with riser and elbow creates good flow. Aiming the flow on top of a pile of river rocks ($1 per bag at Dollar Store) creates splash as well. Make sure top of rocks is ~ 3-4" above the water line
Hydro Halo ring was an experiment to spread the flow over the rocks, it is not necessary.
jason1976
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your an expert? lol thats funny shit. i build salt water pools everyday for a living that doesnt make me god. and screw the article . he wasnt asking about surface disruption. he was aking about air. i dont give two hoots about your fish tank, my weed dont grow out of that swamp hole. yes ive seen air in salt water tanks, and my "hack" is also one of the peeps on here thats has 35 years plus expeirience. do what you will its a dumb argument for arguments sake. add the air, dont add the air, draw your own conclusions. or take advice from the guy with the tank full of dead fish. you grow fish ,ill grow weed. how bout that.
I never said you were wrong, did I? He asked if there was another way, which I provided him with. Then you crapped all over it. Don't come here acting like I'm the one being closed minded.
And, you're still not getting it. Fusing with water? Water is oxygen and hydrogen "fused" together. You're not fusing more oxygen in the water. You are dissolving it in the water. Even in a fish tank, it is the surface disruption that allows the oxygen to be dissolved in the water.
You ever leave a fish in a bag too long? It dies. Those little holes they poke in the top only help so much.
Why do you have to argue with everyone about this? Have you tried it? You obviously aren't an expert in it because otherwise you would know that it works.
http://saltaquarium.about.com/cs/waterquality/a/aa122997air.htm
Jesus Christ! Get over yourself.
http://saltaquarium.about.com/cs/waterquality/a/aa122997air.htm
Jesus Christ! Get over yourself.
I typed a much more negative response to this that commented on your maturity level, but I've decided to edit it and rise above. It's obvious now that you don't really know anything about this, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. I'm sure there are plenty of things that you know that I don't. I answered the OP, and he got what he was looking for. That's all that matters. Anyone who reads this and does a little research will understand what I'm talking about. That's all that matters.
Also, I do want to revise my previous assertion a little. Some oxygen is dissolved in the water when the bubble forms from the diffuser, but still most of the air exchange occurs due to surface disruption. That being said, I still stand by the fact that the waterfall effect is a much more effective method of creating dissolved oxygen.
Good luck with your grows.
