Root Development vs Plant Growth

skunkushybrid

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also, the large number of fan leaves could be an adaptaion to the amount of nutrients, the plant qould be making as many leaves as it needs to photosynthisize the nutrients it's getting, just a thought.
what was your yield from the plants you flowered too early? I know it wont be alot but if I can fit 16 plants and get 1/4 - 1/2 oz from each that will be 1/4 - 1/2 lb from all 16. It may not be as much as I could theoretically get, however, it would keep me happy for quite a while.
Yeah, I've been thinking about this method and I'm pretty sure it would work better with clones, however that small grow room I have is the only one I got for right now, and seeing as it's only about 18" between floor and bottom of lights, I can't really fit a mom in there (unless I am mistaken, in which case please let me know), not to mention I couldn't really have the one room be in 24/0 and 12/12 at same time.
Also, b/c of my height constrictions, how tall did those early-flowered plants get?

p.s. I haven't seen any sign of sex yet, which is what I expected. I did see a growth spurt, but what I figure is that obviously the plant won't start flowering until it's mature. It's just that with this method, the plant starts flowering as soon as it is able to. Of course my plants have also been through a little bit of stress with an unseasonable heatwave we had when they were a couple of weeks old. Also I had to get them out of the house for 2 days and they were in complete darkness for the time.
To answer your first question. It is typical of this strain to produce lots of leaf, it is a very heavy budder. The mom plant also has lots of leaf, they're just not as long. She's been topped, and topped, must have around 30 heads. Has been vegging in a 3litre container for around 10 weeks. There are more main colas on the mom, so the leaves are shorter. Like us, cannabis has an amazing ability to adapt very quickly to changing environments.

In regards to the plants I flowered early... I was growing grapefruit in soil, and I maxed out at 3 q's per plant... after around 14 weeks of flower. Pissed me off. i also had a low height restriction, my flowered plants cannot get past 4ft, and grapefruit is a sativa. So, as they kept stretching and stretching I had to bend the plants, and tie them etc just so they'd fit. The reason I flowered them early was because they were feminised seed anyway, so I just picked the strongest for a mom, and threw the rest into flower. It's hard just growing with one room, I've never done it... as I actually started growing for commercial reasons, although now it is just a hobby... but you do need two spaces, one for veg' the other for flower. The great thing about a veg' space is that it doesn't need to be very big. You could have one in your closet.

Seed plants don't really matter, only in as much as finding the mom you want to keep. After that happens, the seed plants can go into flower. You can even take clones and put the mom straight in too, raise one of her clones as a new mom plant. 2 rooms is something you should be working hard to achieve.
 

skunkushybrid

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They should really have been given this feed yesterday... but what's an extra day? Well the plants suffered a bit of droop... but not too bad. I would have done it yesterday, only decorating and almost breaking my back played their part in giving me an early night. I'd highly recommend chronic x white russian for almost instant pain relief.

Here's the feed into 9litres of water:

Sensi Bloom A, 22.5ml
Sensi Bloom B, 22.5ml
MET Bloom, 15ml
Fulvic Acid, 15ml
B52, 30ml
Barricade, 1.3ml
Carboload, 8ml
Cannazym, 17.5ml
Big Bud, 50ml

EC, 1.6.

There's some excellent bud production, and stem thickening going on at the moment. I'm almost at the right time to tie them up. I may just do it tomorrow... I'll post some update pic's too.
 

fdd2blk

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just so you know......i'm getting ready to re-pot my plants for their final flowering pots. i'm going with 2 litres. my plants are 14" tall at the moment. i will trnasplant then veg for 1 week under 600w of HPS then flower. i'll keep you posted, maybe start my own thread.
 

skunkushybrid

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just so you know......i'm getting ready to re-pot my plants for their final flowering pots. i'm going with 2 litres. my plants are 14" tall at the moment. i will trnasplant then veg for 1 week under 600w of HPS then flower. i'll keep you posted, maybe start my own thread.
Sweet... I can't believe all the wasted medium and nutrients of the past.

I've been thinking about trying to grow an apple tree in hydro, in a small pot... think it's possible?
 

skunkushybrid

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just so you know......i'm getting ready to re-pot my plants for their final flowering pots. i'm going with 2 litres. my plants are 14" tall at the moment. i will trnasplant then veg for 1 week under 600w of HPS then flower. i'll keep you posted, maybe start my own thread.
How long have they vegged for? If they're from seed, is that around 4-5 weeks? So you'll give a total of 5-6 weeks of veg... saves me doing the seed version now... don't you think you could leave them in the pot they're in now? Or you could start your thread, post me a link and answer in there.:mrgreen:
 

fdd2blk

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How long have they vegged for? If they're from seed, is that around 4-5 weeks? So you'll give a total of 5-6 weeks of veg... saves me doing the seed version now... don't you think you could leave them in the pot they're in now? Or you could start your thread, post me a link and answer in there.:mrgreen:

started from clones. been under floros for 4 - 5 weeks. i'm battling spidermites at the moment. once i kill them all i'll put them into flower. i have to re-do my room also so it may be a week or 2.

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silk

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Sweet... I can't believe all the wasted medium and nutrients of the past.

I've been thinking about trying to grow an apple tree in hydro, in a small pot... think it's possible?
LOL, now you are moving into what I was talking about...
 

skunkushybrid

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started from clones. been under floros for 4 - 5 weeks. i'm battling spidermites at the moment. once i kill them all i'll put them into flower. i have to re-do my room also so it may be a week or 2.

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I thought you hated flouros?

Or is it the time scale, you are concerned about? This is why you want them to veg' slow?

I've never actually vegged under flouro before... used them for clones, but even stopped that after a while.

The difference in veg time does seem remarkable.
 

skunkushybrid

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LOL, now you are moving into what I was talking about...
It was actualy you that sent my mind in this direction... as I said earlier in the thread, I'm only concerned with the indoor cultivation of cannabis. I suppose I've changed my mind.:mrgreen:

I have two apple trees in my garden... the apples are falling off and me and my friends are sick of them. So I have plenty of seed. Just got to figure out how to grow it... ph and suchlike, germination too.
 

skunkushybrid

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Finally got off my ass today and rearranged my flowering area, also chopped off the lower branches. I got into the habit of leaving them there for a while due to my low height space, and in an effort to restrict the stretch on the main cola.

Anyway, the tallest plant is just shy of 28" tall... and they're going to need another feed today... even though I made the feed up into 9litres, these guys actually only received 6litres, the other 3 being distributed between the two mom plants i have flowering... they are also going to need another feed today. It should be the same as the last feed...

Flower production is already going well, and these plants do not even seem to be noticing that they are in a smaller container. All they know is that they're getting enough food to grow as big as i like... or as big as I let them veg' for. So far, container size has not been an issue whatsoever.
 

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skunkushybrid

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Here's some pic's of the guys at the back of the queue for light...

There's one with three heads (bear in mind these are all clones from the same mom), one with two heads... then a really tall plant in a container not much bigger than a can of coke (around 350ml).:mrgreen:
 

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kt0s.6o4

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ok, here are the two Purp clones i am experimenting with.....
they were vegged for about a week and a half, and have been 12/12 for 2 nights now....
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as you can see, this strain certainly likes to bush out as far as the roots will allow.....or so it seems:mrgreen:
 

skunkushybrid

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Not much difference....just the one in the 1G pot seems to have grown wider than the one in the cup....much bigger leaves...
Are they from seed? One could be male, the other a fem'.

21 DAYS FLOWER:

Everything's going fine. I'll post update pic's with plant measurements tomorrow. Here's the feed into 9litres of water:

Sensi Bloom A, 28.5ml
Sensi Bloom B, 28.5ml
MET Bloom, 18ml
Fulvic Acid, 18ml
Barricade, 1.8ml
Carboload, 9ml
Cannazym, 15ml
Big Bud, 55ml
B52, 40ml

EC 2.2............ I diluted the solution till I got a reading of 1.8-2.0 ec.:mrgreen:
 

skunkushybrid

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Bud development and plant growth are on target. the tallest plant is just shy of 31".

They are feeding much more now, and I'm going to have to uptake the feed to 3 feeds a week. Still not as much as I at first anticipated.

I'll start feeling more at ease once day 35 is out of the way.
 

past times

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good work guys, read the post all the way through and is definitely informative. i have a small 2x3 area that i am working on getting into a continual harvest. to continue this experiment i am going to use a 1G pot, a cut off 2 litter bottle, and a big gulp cup. ill keep you posted on this.

how tall are your clones and how long have you rooted and vegged them before switching to the 12/12?
 

skunkushybrid

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how tall are your clones and how long have you rooted and vegged them before switching to the 12/12?
I'm not sure how long they took to take root... maybe 9 days. Last time I measured them the tallest plant was just shy of 31"... although i'll measure them today too as they are having their 3rd feed of the week.
 
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