REPARATIONS ? Yes !!

Hook Daddy said:

I could agree I get the concept, and even if I agree with it, it will never work. For instance where do I file to get my reparations for the time wasted reading this or any other post that I don’t deem worthy after reading. People wrote this entire forum and I waste countless hours reading with no recourse available to recoup my time. What about addicted gamers that loose their jobs, should they get permanent retirement from the game maker since they can no longer hold a job. It’s endless and a waste of time to even consider.

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Gamers make choices. Not the choices I would make, but any harm they suffer they participated in. Nobody should be forced to play a game or be forcibly prevented from playing a game.

Their choices weren't taken away and replaced with a legal threat, that could possibly end with somebody locking them up or killing them if they don't obey. I'm not a gamer, I think it would be a waste of time for me, I'd rather read a book. I have zero right to impose my preferences on people who do like games though if the game player isn't trying to remove my rights in the process.

Different circumstances exist when people grow or possess weed. Choices of peaceful people are not considered, those choices are forcibly removed under threat of harm by parasitic thugs posing as good people. There's the error and the thing that should change. If people don't like weed, that doesn't mean a collection of them somehow magically get a right to steal your house and put you in a cage if you do like weed though. What a peaceful person does with their own time, their own body and their own body is THEIR choice.

Actual crimes involve a real live victim. The act of breaking a law isn't sufficient to prove a real crime was committed. Many times the law itself is a crime.

xtsho said:

Nobody should get a dime.

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So, until something is declared legal, we have no right to do it ?

All of us supposedly equal people can't do stuff until somebody else says it's okay ?

cannabineer said:

Any of his threads is a logical balloon animal. My digressing might be considered a service.

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Usually for a service to have occurred, the element of consent should remain untarnished. otherwise word smithing could be in the picture.

Rob Roy said:

Anyhow, are you saying since slavery was legal that there should be no recourse for people to get some reparations for any damage they can prove they suffered ?

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I stated very clearly what I believe reparations should be and how they should be applied. Nice straw man attempt though.

Hiphophippo said:

Isn’t prison labor infact slave labor

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In many cases yes. If you didn't harm an actual person or take their stuff etc. and you're in prison, you've been wrongfully imprisoned, therefore it follows if you're forced to work, you've been enslaved. Think many peaceful "drug criminals" who never hurt anyone and their supposed crime is one of acting as if they own themselves. Those people are enslaved despite bullshit legal arguments which depart from logic and actual justice.

If you DID do an ACTUAL crime, regardless of whether there is or isn't a law, you should be responsible for restituting the person you harmed.

CANON_Grow said:

I stated very clearly what I believe reparations should be and how they should be applied. Nice straw man attempt though.

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Oh, sorry. I must have missed that. I'll go back and read thru.

Rob Roy said:

So, until something is declared legal, we have no right to do it ?

All of us supposedly equal people can't do stuff until somebody else says it's okay ?

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People are not equal.

doughper said:

mocking the black
request for reparations.

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Reparations should be based on evidence, not skin color or virtue signaling legislation. Any person of any color deserves justice from the individuals that perpetrated an injustice.
Some black people certainly should get reparations from the people they can prove harmed them. The burden of proof is on the individual making the claim of a harm.

My premise - I claim "drug laws" are violative of a peaceful persons rights, since peaceful people aren't people that victimize other people, they are instead made victims by laws which violate their rights. They've become victims. Do you agree with that ?

xtsho said:

People are not equal.

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Not in ability to do things, but I think when it comes to circumstances of justice they should be. You are 7 feet tall and can leap over tall buildings, your neighbor is in a wheel chair and can't. You aren't equal in all of the abilities you possess.

Yet, your right to self determine to the extent you can if you are both peaceful people should be the thing that is equal. Both should be held responsible if they harm another person, neither should be held responsible if they don't.

Rob Roy said:

Gamers make choices. Not the choices I would make, but any harm they suffer they participated in. Nobody should be forced to play a game or be forcibly prevented from playing a game.

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That was not my point at all, if you had read my whole post you might have caught the sarcasm, then maybe not. My point was once you open the reparations doors the number of people claiming damages will be endless. What about people incorrectly tossed in jail that sit there for months before the justice dept figures out it was a mistake and lets them out. They lost their jobs, have a criminal record that is not erased, but they have to go back to court to try and get it expunged. They don’t even get a sorry, even though they have lost their jobs and homes, yet they actually didn’t do anything. It happens every day. If those people don’t get reparations, good luck getting the government to pay for people that actually broke laws, no matter how wrong the law was or is.

Hook Daddy said:

That was not my point at all, if you had read my whole post you might have caught the sarcasm, then maybe not. My point was once you open the reparations doors the number of people claiming damages will be endless. What about people incorrectly tossed in jail that sit there for months before the justice dept figures out it was a mistake and lets them out. They lost their jobs, have a criminal record that is not erased, but they have to go back to court to try and get it expunged. They don’t even get a sorry, even though they have lost their jobs and homes, yet they actually didn’t do anything. It happens every day. If those people don’t get reparations, good luck getting the government to pay for people that actually broke laws, no matter how wrong the law was or is.

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I'm sorry if I misinterpretted your position. Ironically, it looks like you misinterpretted my position.

I'm not for "the government" paying for reparations. I'm for the individual people that created the victims to pay, if they happen to be government employees, that shouldn't protect them from responsibility. I don't buy "just doing my job", it's a lame excuse.

The government is a legal fiction and provides a shield for some people to do bad things and get away with it. If the government were the entity paying, they would only steal money from you and other people to make the payment. That's not justice.

If I harm someone, then I am responsible right? I shouldn't get to shift my responsibility onto you, if you never harmed anyone, which is what "government reparations" would amount to.

Rob Roy said:

I'm sorry if I misinterpretted your position. Ironically, it looks like you misinterpretted my position.

I'm not for "the government" paying for reparations. I'm for the individual people that created the victims to pay.

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I agree, although if the individual or group responsible can be located and their wrong doing proven it would be a civil suit in court, not reparations I would think. As for the government paying, they would just give a bunch of hard working peoples taxes away for something they had nothing to do with.

Hook Daddy said:

I agree, although if the individual or group responsible can be located and their wrong doing proven it would be a civil suit in court, not reparations I would think. As for the government paying, they would just give a bunch of hard working peoples taxes away for something they had nothing to do with.

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I see your point.

The word "reparations". like many words gets co-opted.

I was using the word "reparations" to mean, "making up for a wrong caused". Not reparations in the sense that has been co-opted to mean, government forcibly redistributes money to try to get people to think the government is the bringer of justice, when most often that entity and the individuals in it are the perpetrators of an injustice.

Admittedly, in the present situation most of us live under, actual reparations from the actual people committing the harm has a low probability of happening. The first step to changing that is to have the discussion, as many times as it takes to unwash the brainwashed brains.

When self evident ideas enter the realm on a larger scale, changes happen. "We" stopped burning witches...so maybe we can learn to apply justice properly.

orangejesus said:

ah, totally makes sense - so when Dave Chappelle does his white guy impression, he's being a racist? I mean, he is profiting at the expense of an entire group of people... I think he should donate some of his riches to the 'poor whites' in OH he often mentions...

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CunningCanuk said:

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How do you feel about drug war reparations ?

Do you think anybody that can provide evidence they were harmed by the impositions of drug war should be taken seriously?

Your thoughts?

Rob Roy said:

How do you feel about drug war reparations ?

Do you think anybody that can provide evidence they were harmed by the impositions of drug war should be taken seriously?

Your thoughts?

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Since you asked, I think it’s a ridiculous comparison.

CunningCanuk said:

Since you asked, I think it’s a ridiculous comparison.

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I don't want to make assumptions. Ridiculous comparison to what ?

Rob Roy said:

I don't want to make assumptions. Ridiculous comparison to what ?

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The comparison you made in the opening post of this asinine thread.