Religion Poisons Everything

morgentaler

Well-Known Member
Have you ever listened to someone with severe schizophrenia talk?
I see the similarities it in almost every one of WHs posts.
I still haven't figured out if they're trying to appeared unbiased and philosophical, or are in need of MRIs to look for toxoplasma gondii infestation in the brain.
 

Woodstock.Hippie

New Member
OK Mr. god,

Please accept my apologies for getting the G wrong the first time.

Thank you for the Nietzsche refresher.

I and I did not agree with everything he believed the first time we knew of his work.

I find that a problem with most any particular viewpoint.

There is always the ying and the yang of everything.

Surely there were repercussions from a sea being parted?

BTW, rest assured, no apologies for offense are needed in civilized discussions.

"How do we explain the Unexplainable Whys of Life without acknowledging the Spiritual Realm linked to our Souls?" was a question not directed necessarily for YOUR ego, even though you read it, but rather other SSS members in particular.

"You have to fist believe in god AND then hate him to be a misotheist" - I don't care what it takes to be a God Hater.
 

qptyqpty

Active Member
Long post inc :fire:



Ofcourse i wish there was an all-knowing powerfull caring and loving creator that loves me, knows my path in life ( and every other 6 billion of us). But you have to know when to tell fact from fiction and this myth clearly. I know alot of people believe in god because they are affraid of death(like most of us are)
If you want to think about it, as an atheist, your parents were your creator. Also, every day your body continues to replenish cells, you grow hair, your squamous cells create oils, etc. So kind of like a Buddhist, your body really is your temple. If you nourish your body, you are armed with a healthy immune system, an alert mind, and strong body. However, if you do not take care of your temple, it will slowly crumble, your mind will be weak and you would be more susceptible to disease. You care about yourself, and you should love yourself. Im not talking gushy gushy or figuratively. Im saying how can you love or take care of anyone unless you can take care of yourself? Once you stop, take a look around, and decide where you are going (set goals), you become the master of your future.

Telling fact from fiction in the King James Bible, for instance, is hairy. Why? Because it depends on whether you are reading the Bible or being read. See, too often people hang on every little word in the bible, not realizing it is an organic translation -- in that it is STILL being added to (or attempting) and changed or new scrolls are found. It has been edited and translated over history since it was created, by many different scribes. If you read the bible in its entirety (I have, I made it a point, and I read it in 3 weeks. I cannot recall everything but I have at least read the entire KJ bible) you will realize that there is indeed stuff missing, stuff that doesnt seem to belong, and contradictions. As a critical thinker, anything that seems bunk ill just dismiss. For instance: circumcision is/was required for Judaism, for religious reasons im sure, but Dont you think it might have something to do with public health? Removing the foreskin was a sanitary issue since people did not bathe often as they should have. (See black plague) The act of not eating swine (cloven hoof) is also probably best explained that if not cooked thoroughly at 160deg, you will get E. coli and die. People in charge knew if ppl ate bad pig they could die, so it was probably written in.

You can say I believe in what the Bible is meant for; a guide to life that will keep you going forward in life, giving you something to believe in DESPITE all the tragedies and horrors in life.



I dont know how people can believe all of these lies. I mean, if all the evidence you has is a man-written bible, i dont understand why im destined for hell just for not having faith and turning my life over to be a follower of god. I mean, its just common knowledge not to believe, i think. But clearly many think other wise.

A lot of people have become non-thinking slug brains, sadly. They don't vote, only strive to gain low-wage jobs, offer nothing to the community, and sit on their laissez-faire asses blaming everyone else for their problems. It's ok though, because this was the intent of our beloved PTB; retard our minds with endless entertainment and convenience novelties. So, if you are not a part of that group, continue reading. The bible was written in verses that was easy to understand for readers of that age. The first part of the bible is basically history and chronology. A bunch of old people who nobody knows, but the entire family tree and how things came to be. We find that humans are inherently stupid, God punishes the shit out of them for doing stupid shit and not believing. Then, only when his wrath is made known, do the Jews get back to believing. Of course, being that we are human and prone to err, they got right back to doing stupid shit. So we rinse and repeat this over several hundreds of years, and finally, we get into the latter half of the bible. Jesus comes into the picture, and everyone is like what up brah! Son of God, yah! He does some good things for the people and tells people how to live their lives in peace and for good. He extemporaneously spoke in parables, or stories, so that the really stupid people (they couldnt help it) could understand. (Jesus invented K.I.S.S. ;) ) and then, of course, he had to be mocked, ridiculed, and killed because the non-believers had to PERSECUTE him. Now, it was at this point God was really going to do it in for us, but Jesus was like: Dad, they are stupid. They can't help it, and if youre going to kill everyone for being stupid, then I am going to go FOR the rest of them, if they will believe that I did this FOR THEM. So God was like, thats deep. so be it. And so, since we arent all God's little chosen ones by birth/ancestry (technicality eh?), Christianity (Mainstreamed by Constantine the Great) was the availability of salvation for those who were not Jewish. All you had to do was believe that God's son gave his life for us for our errant ways. (I finish going over the bible because I dont feel like it)

So thats kinda a long synopsis. The bible is a collection of parables, stories, historical "data", letters from prison... all translated over a LOT of years. If you have a critical mind, even if you DO believe in religion, you would not believe everything that is written, bible or not. ...nor everything you see on TV or hear on the radio.

"...Israel must be wiped off the map." -Ahmedinejad

This CNN translation is bullshit, being that the actual Farsi translation of whatever he said was

"[The] Zionist regime should be wiped off the map." -note VERB.

We cant even translate news correctly this day and age. It's not common sense but the bible is a guide not a commandment.

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva]If god really has power on the world, why do we face poverty, murder, war, flesh eating diseases, cancer, global warming, child abuse, dictatorship, racism and sexism, slavery.. the list goes on and on.
Why havnt any of these critical issues changed? Why hasnt god saved any of them?
You say you can talk to the guy, so i'd be interested to hear you think.
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Well, going back to the first half of the bible... people are inherently stupid knuckleheads who dont want to follow rules - naturally. We are built that way. God used to interfere, and though we would listen for a few years, we would always go back to our errant ways. Just like a dad having to whoop some ass on a boy for doing stupid shit, he kept having to do it over and over til his son sacrificed himself for us. So, I think that pissed God off a little bit. Would you talk to us? If you were in his shoes? I think he is letting humans fuck over other humans as a lesson learned. Actually, this very well could be the end days. (Of course, the universe is cyclical, with positive and negative influences affecting everything over thousands of years cycles. Hindu, Christianity, Catholicism, Egyptians, Mayan, Incas, and others believed in these cycles. ...and we are reaching the end of a major cycle.) Then again, im not the guy holding the "Jesus is Coming" sign. Im not a stomper, nor am I trying to hammer religion into your throat, just offering a different view. =)
 

morgentaler

Well-Known Member
I don't care what it takes to be a God Hater.
It would seem that the biblical writings would indicate "God" is a man hater.

Man, in the general mankind use of the word. We're all aware that he has a special hatred for women that exceeds any general distaste for his "creations".
 

Vindicated

Well-Known Member
It's not vague, it's just half the time she isn't making any sense. lol. -- Sorry Hippie, but I'm just calling it as I see it. :-P

@Brazko: Once I talked to a Buddhist monk and he told me, 'all that we need to know, is already known.' The Buddhist lifestyle is not about progression, but preserving the Buddhist way as it was hundreds of years ago. There is no point in change. I strongly disagree with this position, but at least I understand it.

@qptyqpty, Don't act like farsi is easy to translate. Most words don't translate perfectly to english. And you can debate for eternity the exact interpretation of what he said. Still, if you stand back, does it really make a difference whether he said Must or Should. His message was as clear as day.
 
Long post inc :fire:





If you want to think about it, as an atheist, your parents were your creator. Also, every day your body continues to replenish cells, you grow hair, your squamous cells create oils, etc. So kind of like a Buddhist, your body really is your temple. If you nourish your body, you are armed with a healthy immune system, an alert mind, and strong body. However, if you do not take care of your temple, it will slowly crumble, your mind will be weak and you would be more susceptible to disease. You care about yourself, and you should love yourself. Im not talking gushy gushy or figuratively. Im saying how can you love or take care of anyone unless you can take care of yourself? Once you stop, take a look around, and decide where you are going (set goals), you become the master of your future.

Telling fact from fiction in the King James Bible, for instance, is hairy. Why? Because it depends on whether you are reading the Bible or being read. See, too often people hang on every little word in the bible, not realizing it is an organic translation -- in that it is STILL being added to (or attempting) and changed or new scrolls are found. It has been edited and translated over history since it was created, by many different scribes. If you read the bible in its entirety (I have, I made it a point, and I read it in 3 weeks. I cannot recall everything but I have at least read the entire KJ bible) you will realize that there is indeed stuff missing, stuff that doesnt seem to belong, and contradictions. As a critical thinker, anything that seems bunk ill just dismiss. For instance: circumcision is/was required for Judaism, for religious reasons im sure, but Dont you think it might have something to do with public health? Removing the foreskin was a sanitary issue since people did not bathe often as they should have. (See black plague) The act of not eating swine (cloven hoof) is also probably best explained that if not cooked thoroughly at 160deg, you will get E. coli and die. People in charge knew if ppl ate bad pig they could die, so it was probably written in.

You can say I believe in what the Bible is meant for; a guide to life that will keep you going forward in life, giving you something to believe in DESPITE all the tragedies and horrors in life.






A lot of people have become non-thinking slug brains, sadly. They don't vote, only strive to gain low-wage jobs, offer nothing to the community, and sit on their laissez-faire asses blaming everyone else for their problems. It's ok though, because this was the intent of our beloved PTB; retard our minds with endless entertainment and convenience novelties. So, if you are not a part of that group, continue reading. The bible was written in verses that was easy to understand for readers of that age. The first part of the bible is basically history and chronology. A bunch of old people who nobody knows, but the entire family tree and how things came to be. We find that humans are inherently stupid, God punishes the shit out of them for doing stupid shit and not believing. Then, only when his wrath is made known, do the Jews get back to believing. Of course, being that we are human and prone to err, they got right back to doing stupid shit. So we rinse and repeat this over several hundreds of years, and finally, we get into the latter half of the bible. Jesus comes into the picture, and everyone is like what up brah! Son of God, yah! He does some good things for the people and tells people how to live their lives in peace and for good. He extemporaneously spoke in parables, or stories, so that the really stupid people (they couldnt help it) could understand. (Jesus invented K.I.S.S. ;) ) and then, of course, he had to be mocked, ridiculed, and killed because the non-believers had to PERSECUTE him. Now, it was at this point God was really going to do it in for us, but Jesus was like: Dad, they are stupid. They can't help it, and if youre going to kill everyone for being stupid, then I am going to go FOR the rest of them, if they will believe that I did this FOR THEM. So God was like, thats deep. so be it. And so, since we arent all God's little chosen ones by birth/ancestry (technicality eh?), Christianity (Mainstreamed by Constantine the Great) was the availability of salvation for those who were not Jewish. All you had to do was believe that God's son gave his life for us for our errant ways. (I finish going over the bible because I dont feel like it)

So thats kinda a long synopsis. The bible is a collection of parables, stories, historical "data", letters from prison... all translated over a LOT of years. If you have a critical mind, even if you DO believe in religion, you would not believe everything that is written, bible or not. ...nor everything you see on TV or hear on the radio.

"...Israel must be wiped off the map." -Ahmedinejad

This CNN translation is bullshit, being that the actual Farsi translation of whatever he said was

"[The] Zionist regime should be wiped off the map." -note VERB.

We cant even translate news correctly this day and age. It's not common sense but the bible is a guide not a commandment.




Well, going back to the first half of the bible... people are inherently stupid knuckleheads who dont want to follow rules - naturally. We are built that way. God used to interfere, and though we would listen for a few years, we would always go back to our errant ways. Just like a dad having to whoop some ass on a boy for doing stupid shit, he kept having to do it over and over til his son sacrificed himself for us. So, I think that pissed God off a little bit. Would you talk to us? If you were in his shoes? I think he is letting humans fuck over other humans as a lesson learned. Actually, this very well could be the end days. (Of course, the universe is cyclical, with positive and negative influences affecting everything over thousands of years cycles. Hindu, Christianity, Catholicism, Egyptians, Mayan, Incas, and others believed in these cycles. ...and we are reaching the end of a major cycle.) Then again, im not the guy holding the "Jesus is Coming" sign. Im not a stomper, nor am I trying to hammer religion into your throat, just offering a different view. =)

The problem is that the people who worship the bible do take pretty much everything it says as truth, the word of god himself. The bibles passage about gays and how it forbids has left gays out, almost as if they arnt citizens, around the world. We live in the 20th century and the human race still run their lives, and in many cases dedicates their life in entirety from a book over 16000 years old (that clearly wasnt written by god, but a man) Just like the jolly George Bush who said "No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God"
I mean are you serious?? Having faith is not thinking. Thinking you already have the answers. Not only to say how much blood has been shed over religion.
Thanks for your view, but id rather stick to mine. I will not under mind the power of nature, to the works of a higher deity, i am much rather interested in searching for the real answers that lie in our planet and universe. I have set my life journey to be to take out the rubbish that religion has enslaved into minds. But rather show people the miraculous ways of our world and nature and the universe, and give insite to live a life faithless and free, not living with the mind set you are being watched at all times, and must follow rules. I hope to show children the light of NOT believing, and the wonderful way of atheism/free thinking. People need to show more love towards one another instead of an invisible deity. Our world is full of anger and negative energy even though the biggest population is those who believe in the supernatural, and some form of God.. .How about we try a new approach, love those who exist!! Instead of children being indoctrinated into a belief that has absolutely no point, or does anything good for our existing planet, except waste resources, money and time.
 

562FireK

Active Member
I don't like the word religion. When I think of religion, I just think of all these people following the false words of a man. They're not following the words of god. Total bullshit. When I was younger, and still pretty much hated the fact that I was gay, I went to a lot of different churches, and was basically told, the way I am, is wrong and I'm going to hell. Not a great thing to hear when you're already a depressed lil kid. Lol
I believe there's a god, but I can't in my right mind believe the views of such hypocritical people.
I was walking down Venice Beach once, and there were some pretty chill lookin buddhists just postin', praying and minding their own business. Than I see these church people go up and they start telling them their beliefs are wrong, and try to throw their own beliefs at them. I just really thought that was wrong, I wanted to go break their faces. Lol
 

sunshine1754

Active Member
I don't like the word religion. When I think of religion, I just think of all these people following the false words of a man. They're not following the words of god. Total bullshit. When I was younger, and still pretty much hated the fact that I was gay, I went to a lot of different churches, and was basically told, the way I am, is wrong and I'm going to hell. Not a great thing to hear when you're already a depressed lil kid. Lol
I believe there's a god, but I can't in my right mind believe the views of such hypocritical people.
I was walking down Venice Beach once, and there were some pretty chill lookin buddhists just postin', praying and minding their own business. Than I see these church people go up and they start telling them their beliefs are wrong, and try to throw their own beliefs at them. I just really thought that was wrong, I wanted to go break their faces. Lol
God loves everyone.
 

sunshine1754

Active Member
Hmmm... I have some questions. Ofcourse god cannot force people to choose him, 'he' has proven he has no force on anything. You may pray for something, or bad things occur on the earth, but how does god show he truely cares when he dosnt do anything about it. You said "He wants you to choose Him because you love Him and you want only Him" Ah, so only you want him, you NEED him because you need someone to show you unconsitional love, because maybe you have never expiernced it with someone who actually exists, but what you are really doing is finding love within yourself, because the religious god dosnt exist within us. "If you have god you have everything" So a person with nothing, can have everything with the belief of an invisible deity??? Your completely off, people who have everything are the people that work hard for what they have, and dont except to be hit with miracles, just by simply asking or believing. You learn how to fish and you survive, you pray for a fish and you die of starvation. Also what you said about not having real happiness in real existing relashionships is bullshit. I think people like you must not have healthy relashionships in your life, so you turn to god for love, but what love are you truely resieving if nothing is there? God is an invisible friend for those who feel less than or unloved in life.
`God and science go hand in hand. Science is how God made the universe`
Sorry but thats saying hot is cold. Science is NOT how god made the universe. Science is evolution and the how nature works, and i agree it is perfect how it all works, but that dosnt mean you should worship a god, worship nature for its true brilliance.
I am happy because im strong enough to not need imaginary support, all i have is myself and my relashionships with the people i love, and actually exist.
Your thinking is truely unhealthy if you think true happiness is only found in god, you are MISTAKEN.
My parents and brother and friends love me unconditionally. Real love is unconditional. The love that you experience from the people that love you is apart of God. Don't be fooled by material possessions. If you have God you really do have everything. God is all that exists.
 
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Keenly

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you can go ahead and say god is all that exists but according to me, there is much much more out there than a religion where you are told what to do and told how to feel about things7
 

sunshine1754

Active Member
So where did everything come from? Science tells us that the universe was created from the Big Bang, which isn't wrong. It took a very short time to happen. Like millionths of a second and everything was created. Everything was born from the consciousness of God. Don't tell me that nothing was sitting there doing nothing and all of a sudden nothing decided to do something to create the universe. The universe is perfect only God could create such a place. Life comes from life, life doesn't come from nothing.
 

OregonMeds

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So where did everything come from? Science tells us that the universe was created from the Big Bang, which isn't wrong. It took a very short time to happen. Like millionths of a second and everything was created. Everything was born from the consciousness of God. Don't tell me that nothing was sitting there doing nothing and all of a sudden nothing decided to do something to create the universe. The universe is perfect only God could create such a place. Life comes from life, life doesn't come from nothing.
Check your own signature for the origins of the universe replacing the meaning you think it has with the idea that matter and energy are both forever. They can be changed and manipulated but neither is ever permanently destroyed. Everything that makes us and the universe always was, and always will be and will be recycled for infinity in a never ending cycle of universes expanding and contracting. No need for a god, and there never was one.

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The big bang is just a cycle of expansion and contraction, not at all a beginning of matter and energy. It's recycling on a universe sized scale. It doesn't need anyones intervention to start or continue, nor does life need anyones intervention to start or continue. All life from single celled organisms to us is simply nothing more than a virus or bacteria. Forming, spreading, adapting, and evolving with a basically unlimited amount of time to mutate into anything possible and infest anything habitable, ultimately all being recycled along with the galaxy's they infest.

In the grand scheme of things we mean absolutely nothing. A thought many people just aren't comfortable with.

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sunshine1754

Active Member
Check your own signature for the origins of the universe replacing the meaning you think it has with the idea that matter and energy are both forever. They can be changed and manipulated but neither is ever permanently destroyed. Everything that makes us and the universe always was, and always will be and will be recycled for infinity in a never ending cycle of universes expanding and contracting. No need for a god, and there never was one.

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The big bang is just a cycle of expansion and contraction, not at all a beginning of matter and energy. It's recycling on a universe sized scale.
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hahahahahahahaha!
 

Vindicated

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OregonMeds, that's almost right. It would be more accurate to say that that when the expansion occurred, it broke supersymmetry, and time began. Currently there is no contraction going on. Space is continuing to expand at a faster rate then when it first started. However, there is debate about what will happen once the acceleration runs out of steam. It may contract like you say, or it may continue to expand and end until space tares itself apart (big crunch).

Sorry if it seems like I'm nit picking.

sunshine1754, I think you may have gotten your incorrect facts from a creationist. Only the creationist believe that everything was created in seconds. The rest of us who look at the facts see that it took billions of years. 13.7 billion years to be exact.
 

OregonMeds

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Vin I don't believe there ever was a beginning, I have a slightly different opinion than standard big bang theories.

IMHO There are simultaneously an infinite (to us) number of galaxies in various stages of existence filling all areas of space. Think of them as galactic sized cells in a body all floating around, except a body that can't expand in it's entirety because it already fills everywhere. Some cells either must be crushed as others expand or as one shrinks others are pulled and expand to fill the same space.

Never ever a beginning or an end to the whole thing.
 
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PadawanBater

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OregonMeds, that's almost right. It would be more accurate to say that that when the expansion occurred, it broke supersymmetry, and time began. Currently there is no contraction going on. Space is continuing to expand at a faster rate then when it first started. However, there is debate about what will happen once the acceleration runs out of steam. It may contract like you say, or it may continue to expand and end until space tares itself apart (big crunch).

Sorry if it seems like I'm nit picking.
I believe that's called the big rip. The big crunch is when the gravity overpowers the dark matter and everything contracts, what you just desrcibed.

I guess we're all nitpickers eh? lol
 
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