Regalia / other fungicides .. .

xtsho · Sep 25, 2021

sdd420 said:
What kind do you use? Is it a powder or liquid? Thanks

Powder.

I used to buy it in bulk at the grocery store but they've taken those out in the grocery stores due to covid. You can get it on amazon. About $20 for 5 pounds.

Hobbes · Sep 25, 2021

I just ordered another gallon of Regalia - I'm from Canada where it can't be sold, so I had it dropped shipped.

It cost me $350 cdn, mostly shipping, where its sold to Canadian farmers for $500.

PadawanWarrior · Sep 25, 2021

xtsho said:
A citric acid foliar will prevent PM by lowering the pH on the leaves making it unable to take hold and grow. It's similar to using Potassium bicarbonate or milk which raises the pH. PM can only grow in a narrow range of pH. Raising or lowering it will make conditions unfavorable. I prefer using citric acid and sesame oil as a preventative over other substances. The citric acid is also a contact killer for bugs and is easily washed away during a bud wash after harvest.

Citric acid has many uses and is organic, non toxic, and treats a variety of issues that cannabis growers may experience.

There is no need to purchase expensive commercial products.

Do you need to wash it off?

xtsho · Sep 25, 2021

PadawanWarrior said:
Do you need to wash it off?

I only use foliars for outdoor plants but citric acid leaves little residue. I would always wash weed that was sprayed. Citric acid is not going to leave anything that would have any bad contaminant effect. A rinse is always recommended for any weed that has been sprayed with anything.

Citric acid is going to be in the lower category as far as residuals. One rinse in plain water is likely all that's needed to remove any trace. Unlike other substances people spray.

PadawanWarrior · Sep 25, 2021

xtsho said:
I only use foliars for outdoor plants but citric acid leaves little residue. I would always wash weed that was sprayed. Citric acid is not going to leave anything that would have any bad contaminant effect. A rinse is always recommended for any weed that has been sprayed with anything. Citric acid is going to be in the lower category as far as residuals. One rinse in plain water is likely all that's needed to remove any trace. Unlike other substances people spray.

I don't want to spray them with anything really, especially since I'm indoors. I was just curious if the low pH would be an issue over time.

I have a huge bag of it though and it's interesting finding out all the uses for it. It's cool stuff.

CaseyQuinn · Sep 25, 2021

Rurumo said:
Citric acid is my favorite PH down too. Usually when you see "organic" PH down, like Earth Juice PH down, it's just citric acid.

Yea, I switch from General Hydros pH Down to just using lemon juice. Although now I've been reading lemon juice can kill your microbes in soil too. Yet I dont think I'm using enough of it to do that. Hell, I'd like to just give it my water as is (out of my r.o. filter) but I'm still kinda freaked about going from 6.3 (with the G.H. pH down I was usiing) to 8.5.. which is what my water sits at. Seems pretty high. I'm just trying to get used to the organic way before I start my next grow. Which I just popped the bean. Cream & Cheese.

PadawanWarrior · Sep 25, 2021

CaseyQuinn said:
Yea, I switch from General Hydros pH Down to just using lemon juice. Although now I've been reading lemon juice can kill your microbes in soil too. Yet I dont think I'm using enough of it to do that. Hell, I'd like to just give it my water as is (out of my r.o. filter) but I'm still kinda freaked about going from 6.3 (with the G.H. pH down I was usiing) to 8.5.. which is what my water sits at. Seems pretty high. I'm just trying to get used to the organic way before I start my next grow. Which I just popped the bean. Cream & Cheese.

Nothing wrong with lemon juice or citric acid. They won't hurt the microbes unless you give it way too much. Super low pH will definitely make them unhappy, but 6.3 is fine.

CaseyQuinn · Sep 25, 2021

PadawanWarrior said:
Nothing wrong with lemon juice or citric acid. They won't hurt the microbes unless you give it way too much. Super low pH will definitely make them unhappy, but 6.3 is fine.

Thanks. Makes me feel better. I'm just using a squirt with 2 gallons of water. I'm adjusting to around 6.8 now. *Next grow I want to just put natural amendments in soil & try my water as is. & hope the organic way will buffer it.

CaseyQuinn · Sep 25, 2021

Dolomite lime can raise pH... right. So what do yall use to lower? I did see some OMRI listed pH down online. Safer Grow Organic pH down. I was intrigued.

CaseyQuinn · Sep 25, 2021

Looks like compost or EWC can help.

PadawanWarrior · Sep 25, 2021

CaseyQuinn said:
Thanks. Makes me feel better. I'm just using a squirt with 2 gallons of water. I'm adjusting to around 6.8 now. *Next grow I want to just put natural amendments in soil & try my water as is. & hope the organic way will buffer it.

My well water is around 7.8. Sometimes a little higher and I don't adjust it usually.

CaseyQuinn said:
Dolomite lime can raise pH... right. So what do yall use to lower? I did see some OMRI listed pH down online. Safer Grow Organic pH down. I was intrigued.

Sulfur if you want to lower soil pH. I don't add it though. My roots and microbes seem to produce enough acid already to lower the pH naturally. Last time I checked it was around 6.3. It wouldn't hurt to check it again, but I'm lazy.

CaseyQuinn · Sep 25, 2021

PadawanWarrior said:
My well water is around 7.8. Sometimes a little higher and I don't adjust it usually.

Sulfur if you want to lower soil pH. I don't add it though. My roots and microbes seem to produce enough acid already to lower the pH naturally. Last time I checked it was around 6.3. It wouldn't hurt to check it again, but I'm lazy.

I think I'm just nervous about it on current grow since almost done with one & other is in Veg. Still. So I didn't want to make a big pH swing since all is well currently. Well, I had an issue with Northern Lights pH.. but it's back on track now. *My next new grow I'm going to not adjust. & if all goes well, then I'll leave it be from there. Cheers.

Milky Weed · Sep 25, 2021

xtsho said:
A citric acid foliar will prevent PM by lowering the pH on the leaves making it unable to take hold and grow. It's similar to using Potassium bicarbonate or milk which raises the pH. PM can only grow in a narrow range of pH. Raising or lowering it will make conditions unfavorable. I prefer using citric acid and sesame oil as a preventative over other substances. The citric acid is also a contact killer for bugs and is easily washed away during a bud wash after harvest.

Citric acid has many uses and is organic, non toxic, and treats a variety of issues that cannabis growers may experience.

There is no need to purchase expensive commercial products.

Does lemon juice concentrate from a bottle work?

xtsho · Sep 26, 2021

Milky Weed said:
Does lemon juice concentrate from a bottle work?

Yes but the concentration can range.

Milky Weed · Sep 26, 2021

xtsho said:
Yes but the concentration can range.

Thanks man, the stuff I have seems like just straight lemon juice in a bottle but it’s not lemonade if you catch my drift. It’s been working good for ph down, I may try some in a foliar spray. What would you recommend ph’ing the foliar solution with lemon juice in to? Or would you spray it undiluted?
I can always test a few leaves first.

xtsho · Sep 26, 2021

Milky Weed said:
Thanks man, the stuff I have seems like just straight lemon juice in a bottle but it’s not lemonade if you catch my drift. It’s been working good for ph down, I may try some in a foliar spray. What would you recommend ph’ing the foliar solution with lemon juice in to? Or would you spray it undiluted?
I can always test a few leaves first.

You don't adjust pH. The pH of the solution is what makes it effective. The low pH inhibits PM and mold and is also a contact killer for pests like spider mites.

Milky Weed · Sep 26, 2021

xtsho said:
You don't adjust pH. The pH of the solution is what makes it effective. The low pH inhibits PM and mold and is also a contact killer for pests like spider mites.

Ok I should have worded it differently, I meant can I make it too low and harm the plants? Or is it pretty safe? I dident know if I had to ph it to be 3 or something.

xtsho · Sep 26, 2021

Milky Weed said:
Ok I should have worded it differently, I meant can I make it too low and harm the plants? Or is it pretty safe? I dident know if I had to ph it to be 3 or something.

I haven't used lemon juice just citric acid so I don't know the ratios from experience. You can google "lemon juice insecticide". That will give you some results with amounts.

sirtalis · Sep 26, 2021

I might be an outlier but my experience with Dr. Zymes (citric based) was not good. It lowered the leaf surface pH to a place where mold thrived. Now I go the other direction, and spray things with high pH like potassium silicate.

Rurumo · Sep 26, 2021

PadawanWarrior said:
I don't want to spray them with anything really, especially since I'm indoors. I was just curious if the low pH would be an issue over time.

I have a huge bag of it though and it's interesting finding out all the uses for it. It's cool stuff.

I've just sprayed my 2 mother plants with their 4th citric acid treatment in 8 days, and I'm running it pretty strong-3 teaspoons per quart. I'll do one more the day after tomorrow and then stop and switch to neem. Citric acid really doesn't hurt the leaves, especially if you just do it weekly or less often. I'm treating spider mites and can't find a single one left today.

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