NugHeuser
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Yeah that's what I have, I've tried a few different ones. They seem to all be the same so I'll be sticking with the cheap yellow and black one.
Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread
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NugHeuser
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I started using the drops cuz it only takes a few seconds. My pens always ends up to the point where I'm waiting a minute or two before they finally stop drifting and give me a steady reading. Mine have seemed to be solid for a few weeks to month of daily use but start to go down hill after that.
Miyagismokes
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I have so much tech I straight don't use...
I don't use the Hanna ppm meter because it requires a million fluids, nor the pH meter because it's comparatively slow.
Never mind my broken bluelab ec pen...
I always go back to the drops.
Strudelheim
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Yes it is normal. I have created my own own soil mix as well, and my runoff comes out between 2,000-4,000. It is not like bottle nutrient ppms where its pure npk etc. There are so many other things that are in the runoff. I noticed this too when I made my own soil as per recipes on forums, and as i transitioned from soilless pro mix with pure blend pro and my bluelabs ppm meter I as used to 600ppm going in and 1000 or under coming out. Not so the case with real soil. Stopped taking measurements since switching as there is no point trying to analyze these numbers. I do check ph of my water going in and out from time to time.
Strudelheim
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Also I recommmend for anyone that is going to actually pursue ph measurements to spend the $200 on a blue labs combo meter. If you save on a meter that gives you inaccurate readings your just going to waste time and money fixing things and going the wrong direction possibly and having poor results. So either ignore PH completely, or get a blue labs, but don't trust and take action based on inaccurate readings, I think that just hurts you in the long run. me 2 cents. PEACE!
NugHeuser
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Well @Spondylo Grow
I think slight ph lockout is the verdict.
The couple that I had to water tonight came out to 6.9 and 7.1 ph.
I checked my water tank that was in range when I filled it about a week and a half ago and it had drifted to the lower 7s. So most likely everything's last watering or two got too high of ph, which is right around the time that I started noticing the deficiencies.
Should be able to slowly but surely get them back on track.
I think slight ph lockout is the verdict.
The couple that I had to water tonight came out to 6.9 and 7.1 ph.
I checked my water tank that was in range when I filled it about a week and a half ago and it had drifted to the lower 7s. So most likely everything's last watering or two got too high of ph, which is right around the time that I started noticing the deficiencies.
Should be able to slowly but surely get them back on track.
Miyagismokes
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Not a Hanna meter fan, eh?
Grow for fun only
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What is Organic?
Organic refers to an “earth friendly” method of growing/farming and processing foods. Plants, weeds and pests are controlled using environmentally sound practices, which sustain the health of the plants, our planet and ultimately, our own health.
Organic systems recognise that our health is directly connected to the food we eat and ultimately, the future of our soil. One of the main features of organic farming is the complete restriction of artificial chemical fertilizers and pesticides in any part of the food chain. It uses only naturally composted and reclaimed materials to sustain a healthy and living soil and to protect the natural countryside and landscape. The use of organics in agriculture is obviously not a new phenomenon but a naturally occurring process.
It has been since the dawn of time that the earth has recycled its natural deposits into reusable energies and nutrition, a natural balance that has always existed and which is ultimately the basis of all growth. Humans, animals and plants are all living, feeding and expiring together simultaneously in a self-sustaining life cycle where existence is based on what has gone before, whilst providing the foundations for future life to come.
Why Organics?
During the world wars of the last century, people-power was in short supply in the agricultural industry as all resources were directed to the war efforts. Ways of increasing productivity and maintaining the food chain were as important as bombs. Therefore the same scientists that were designing weapons of mass destruction were set to work creating cheap chemical substitutes to replace the labour intensive organic farming methods.
These factory-made chemical fertilizers take away from the soil rather than building it. Instead of recycling raw organic materials and leaving the land to rest, chemical use meant crops could be grown in continuous cycles whilst producing large crops free from pests and other natural hazards. After rendering soil useless in the name of a temporary fix, these industrial chemicals are then washed into the earth’s water tables killing and mutating fish, algae, and coral reef. Residual traces of chemicals and pesticides can be found in the produce itself, in the food we eat everyday. The cost of clearing this pollution runs into many millions of dollars.
Eating organic fruits, vegetables or herbs, grown without the use of “chemi-kills” or pesticides, has been proven to boost the immune system of animals and help them recover from disease. We also believe that agriculture should come “back-to-earth” and out of the laboratories.
Furthermore, organic delivers the highest quality, best tasting food grown without artificial chemicals or genetic modification, with complete respect and care for the environment. The health benefits of eating organic products are numerous. Studies have shown that organically reared crops contain greater sources of vitamins, minerals and amino acids than chemically grown food due to the complete spectrum of nutrients within the soil structure. Organic produce also contains many more phytonutrients that are involved in protecting the plants from pests and diseases. These are produced profusely in organic crops due to the non-use of artificial pesticides. The plants instead rely upon the miracle of nature and produce their own natural defence system. These phytonutrients are now being closely studied in medicine and are proving to be useful in the treatment of cancer.
Organic refers to an “earth friendly” method of growing/farming and processing foods. Plants, weeds and pests are controlled using environmentally sound practices, which sustain the health of the plants, our planet and ultimately, our own health.
Organic systems recognise that our health is directly connected to the food we eat and ultimately, the future of our soil. One of the main features of organic farming is the complete restriction of artificial chemical fertilizers and pesticides in any part of the food chain. It uses only naturally composted and reclaimed materials to sustain a healthy and living soil and to protect the natural countryside and landscape. The use of organics in agriculture is obviously not a new phenomenon but a naturally occurring process.
It has been since the dawn of time that the earth has recycled its natural deposits into reusable energies and nutrition, a natural balance that has always existed and which is ultimately the basis of all growth. Humans, animals and plants are all living, feeding and expiring together simultaneously in a self-sustaining life cycle where existence is based on what has gone before, whilst providing the foundations for future life to come.
Why Organics?
During the world wars of the last century, people-power was in short supply in the agricultural industry as all resources were directed to the war efforts. Ways of increasing productivity and maintaining the food chain were as important as bombs. Therefore the same scientists that were designing weapons of mass destruction were set to work creating cheap chemical substitutes to replace the labour intensive organic farming methods.
These factory-made chemical fertilizers take away from the soil rather than building it. Instead of recycling raw organic materials and leaving the land to rest, chemical use meant crops could be grown in continuous cycles whilst producing large crops free from pests and other natural hazards. After rendering soil useless in the name of a temporary fix, these industrial chemicals are then washed into the earth’s water tables killing and mutating fish, algae, and coral reef. Residual traces of chemicals and pesticides can be found in the produce itself, in the food we eat everyday. The cost of clearing this pollution runs into many millions of dollars.
Eating organic fruits, vegetables or herbs, grown without the use of “chemi-kills” or pesticides, has been proven to boost the immune system of animals and help them recover from disease. We also believe that agriculture should come “back-to-earth” and out of the laboratories.
Furthermore, organic delivers the highest quality, best tasting food grown without artificial chemicals or genetic modification, with complete respect and care for the environment. The health benefits of eating organic products are numerous. Studies have shown that organically reared crops contain greater sources of vitamins, minerals and amino acids than chemically grown food due to the complete spectrum of nutrients within the soil structure. Organic produce also contains many more phytonutrients that are involved in protecting the plants from pests and diseases. These are produced profusely in organic crops due to the non-use of artificial pesticides. The plants instead rely upon the miracle of nature and produce their own natural defence system. These phytonutrients are now being closely studied in medicine and are proving to be useful in the treatment of cancer.
Tyleb173rd
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2-3 cups of what amendment/s per cubic foot?
hillbill
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Going back to guano for P after using Fish Bone Meal for some time. Both work well but guano don't attract animals and I have given up using it outside or 8n my houseplants. Lots of forest friends just love fish meals and bone meals. Decent price and lightning delivery from Kelp4less! Supposed to come from collapsed caves that are not active. I used it for 8 years earlier.
Thinking of a new mix to use up some my Promix and letting some more mix cycle to outside use.
Thinking of a new mix to use up some my Promix and letting some more mix cycle to outside use.
Chunky Stool
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Guano is awesome!
It's loaded with calcium and works much faster than bone.
Miyagismokes
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Noted.
I've always heard bone meals are slow, which is why I typically use guano for top ups. Didn't know it contained Ca in significant levels.
Chunky Stool
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Calcium content isn't always listed on the labels, which I don't understand.
They probably just don't want to spend the money to have it tested in a lab...
That's one reason I like Down-To-Earth products -- good info on the label.
Seabird guano (0-11-0) has 20% Ca.
Bat guano (0-7-0) has 17% Ca.
I prefer bat guano because of the chitin, but they are both good sources of phosphorous.
Then there's Peruvian seabird guano that's a little hotter @ 12-11-2...
NugHeuser
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The fractions at the top left corner are being measured in the unit of a 5 gallon bucket.
This is my new (second round) recipe I just made up. The only difference from what the plants are growing in now is I did not add gypsum and i believe are flowering in 3 cups per cu. ft. amendment.
Yes I spelled amendment wrong lol
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619kt619
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Testing runoff would be super awesome to see it's composition. Imagine having a lab to do all of your own soil testing, microscopy analysis, and Mass spectrometer data collection. I dream of the day that I can be in the lab to help take my understanding to a more precise determination.
Chunky Stool
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Looks complicated.The fractions at the top left corner are being measured in the unit of a 5 gallon bucket.
This is my new (second round) recipe I just made up. The only difference from what the plants are growing in now is I did not add gypsum and i believe are flowering in 3 cups per cu. ft. amendment. View attachment 4168238
Yes I spelled amendment wrong lol
I used to mix a lot of amendments like you, but lately I've gotten lazy and just gone with pre-made blends that I tweak a little.
I've had good luck with marine amendments so my favorite right now is a product called 'Bio Fish" by Down-To-Earth.
It's got many of my favorite things -- except crab, so I add it + extra kelp.
I top-dress every two weeks and can *almost* keep up...
NugHeuser
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How much do you top dress at a time?
A mixture is of all your amendments I'm guessing?
Chunky Stool
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I usually top dress one cup per 10 gallon pot every two weeks.
It really depends on what they need at the time. My plants are pretty big for the pot size so they go through a lot of food.
The pic I posted earlier was a 5 gallon cloth pot.
My 10s are a little bigger...
NugHeuser
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Looking good for sure.I usually top dress one cup per 10 gallon pot every two weeks.
It really depends on what they need at the time. My plants are pretty big for the pot size so they go through a lot of food.
The pic I posted earlier was a 5 gallon cloth pot.
My 10s are a little bigger...
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I cant wait until mine are done and I get to see what organically grown bud actually tastes like.
Chunky Stool
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Organic is usually easier than synthetics, but not when you run small pots.
Plants with 2" stems should be in 30 gallon pots, not 10s...