Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

Greenthumbs256

Greenthumbs256

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Can karanja replace neem meal?? I'm out of neem and looking to get more but nice been looking at the cakes karanja and one other the named slipped my mind tho!
 
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Wetdog

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Miyagismokes said:
I've heard karanja is the new neem. I'll have to try some.
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It's not the "new" anything, both have been around since forever (2k years at least), and are nearly identical in how they work. Karanja does smell better though.

You could use either one by itself, but the best results come from using a 50/50 blend of both, either the cakes or the oils. The synergy of both together is well beyond either one by itself.

I've used a 50/50 blend of neem/karanja cake in my mixes for years @1/2cup/cf.

Wet
 
SCJedi

SCJedi

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I sprayed the mix in the link above for first time last night and clove/Rosemary/cinnamon aroma is amazingly pleasant compared to pure raw neem oil.
 
Strudelheim

Strudelheim

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I just tried the organic route to deal with thrips and it literally killed one of my plants and severely threatened many others.

Mixed this to 1/2 Gallon and sprayed maybe 10 plants - they all only have a few leaves left. completely nuked!

Mineral Oil
Neem Oil
Chilli Powder
1 Bulb Garlic (fresh Minced)
1 Gram Tobacco
Cinammon
some dish soap


Thereafter I further diluted it to 1 Gallon, and sprayed the rest and they were fine. I underestimated the power of natural ingredients I guess.

Funny enough Thrips are still to be seen, and the veg room smells like a sasusage factory from the chilli/garlic. Im pretty sure most of the thrip removal is due to the nuked leaves that had to be removed. From my understanding the thrips lay the eggs into the leaves.

Spinosad is on its way! LOL
 
Miyagismokes

Miyagismokes

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Strudelheim said:
I just tried the organic route to deal with thrips and it literally killed one of my plants and severely threatened many others.

Mixed this to 1/2 Gallon and sprayed maybe 10 plants - they all only have a few leaves left. completely nuked!

Mineral Oil
Neem Oil
Chilli Powder
1 Bulb Garlic (fresh Minced)
1 Gram Tobacco
Cinammon
some dish soap


Thereafter I further diluted it to 1 Gallon, and sprayed the rest and they were fine. I underestimated the power of natural ingredients I guess.

Funny enough Thrips are still to be seen, and the veg room smells like a sasusage factory from the chilli/garlic. Im pretty sure most of the thrip removal is due to the nuked leaves that had to be removed. From my understanding the thrips lay the eggs into the leaves.

Spinosad is on its way! LOL
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I'd really need to know how much of each you used to say if it's the oil MIX or RATIO
 
Chunky Stool

Chunky Stool

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Strudelheim said:
Blueberries like a ph of 4.5, so I can't see how cannabis and blueberries would absolutely thrive at the same time...
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Hmm...
Maybe I'll hit my blueberries with some liquid fish and see how they react.
It's stabilized with sulfuric acid so I usually add liquid silica to bring the PH up a tad.
 
SCJedi

SCJedi

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Strudelheim said:
I just tried the organic route to deal with thrips and it literally killed one of my plants and severely threatened many others.

Mixed this to 1/2 Gallon and sprayed maybe 10 plants - they all only have a few leaves left. completely nuked!

Mineral Oil
Neem Oil
Chilli Powder
1 Bulb Garlic (fresh Minced)
1 Gram Tobacco
Cinammon
some dish soap


Thereafter I further diluted it to 1 Gallon, and sprayed the rest and they were fine. I underestimated the power of natural ingredients I guess.

Funny enough Thrips are still to be seen, and the veg room smells like a sasusage factory from the chilli/garlic. Im pretty sure most of the thrip removal is due to the nuked leaves that had to be removed. From my understanding the thrips lay the eggs into the leaves.

Spinosad is on its way! LOL
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Mineral oil?!?!
 
Strudelheim

Strudelheim

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Well I did some research because JMS stylet oil was mentioned for cannabis. And horticultural oil is an agriculture standard. Its all in the same family more or less, only thing different is its refinement level. And I just had some sitting on my shelf from a few years ago when my cat had something in her ear. I think it was a type of mite or something can't remember, but the mode of action with any oil suffocates the pest, or for fungus type things create a protective layer, that's one of the ways that Neem oil works as well ( it ofcourse has other beneficial properties as well). So the more refined the less a chance of phytotoxicity. And the definition of horticultural oil simply one that is chosen to be used for horticulture. Initially I mixed everything to 1/3 of a gallon, and thats what did the damage. I further diluted it to maybe 3/4 of a gallon and it had no ill effects on the remainder of plants (about 60 in total and 30 are seedling stage). So think its probably the mineral oil, I didn't measure LOLZZZ I just started pouring till it felt like it was enough. Probably about 2-3 Table spoons. but yeah it was $7 for this bottle, versus $200 for JMS stylet and 2 weeks shipping by which the thrips would be too much.
 
Miyagismokes

Miyagismokes

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Strudelheim said:
Well I did some research because JMS stylet oil was mentioned for cannabis. And horticultural oil is an agriculture standard. Its all in the same family more or less, only thing different is its refinement level. And I just had some sitting on my shelf from a few years ago when my cat had something in her ear. I think it was a type of mite or something can't remember, but the mode of action with any oil suffocates the pest, or for fungus type things create a protective layer, that's one of the ways that Neem oil works as well ( it ofcourse has other beneficial properties as well). So the more refined the less a chance of phytotoxicity. And the definition of horticultural oil simply one that is chosen to be used for horticulture. Initially I mixed everything to 1/3 of a gallon, and thats what did the damage. I further diluted it to maybe 3/4 of a gallon and it had no ill effects on the remainder of plants (about 60 in total and 30 are seedling stage). So think its probably the mineral oil, I didn't measure LOLZZZ I just started pouring till it felt like it was enough. Probably about 2-3 Table spoons. but yeah it was $7 for this bottle, versus $200 for JMS stylet and 2 weeks shipping by which the thrips would be too much.
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Shit, mineral oil for laxative purposes would probably be refined enough...
But like, try to keep your total amount of oil per gallon to two tablespoons.
 
Strudelheim

Strudelheim

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Yeah Im gonna do 1 TableSpoon of mineral oil, and 1 Tablespoon of Neem oil. gonna skip the other ingredients, if i do it again, they are a mess, smell, and clog the sprayer, and im just looking for the physical properties of the oil to protect leave surface and smother suffocate pests.
 
Miyagismokes

Miyagismokes

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Strudelheim said:
Yeah Im gonna do 1 TableSpoon of mineral oil, and 1 Tablespoon of Neem oil. gonna skip the other ingredients, if i do it again, they are a mess, smell, and clog the sprayer, and im just looking for the physical properties of the oil to protect leave surface and smother suffocate pests.
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Neem oil is still an oil, why cut it?
It's gonna do all the same things an inert oil will, plus it's "full strength" neem.
 
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