Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

[SouthernSoil*]

Hey there guys, i went into a feed store today to get a bale of hay to mulch the no till outdoor vegetable garden, i had two options the straw hay & then the grass type of hay, so i thought the grass hay would be better cause it looked like its more sowed in than the straw hay and wouldnt blow away as easy, which would you guys recommend and would it be cool mulching my ladies with it ? This the grass hay in the link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eragrostis_curvula & the straw hay is just the normal golden straw type of hay. On the other hand i asked the lady working there if there are seeds and she says no, the bale isnt 100% brown and has a bit of green to it with a fresh smell but im scared as hell if seeds pop up, this shit is some bad ass hardy type of grass. . Any help would be appreciated. Peace

 

[st0wandgrow]

Hey there guys, i went into a feed store today to get a bale of hay to mulch the no till outdoor vegetable garden, i had two options the straw hay & then the grass type of hay, so i thought the grass hay would be better cause it looked like its more sowed in than the straw hay and wouldnt blow away as easy, which would you guys recommend and would it be cool mulching my ladies with it ? This the grass hay in the link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eragrostis_curvula & the straw hay is just the normal golden straw type of hay. On the other hand i asked the lady working there if there are seeds and she says no, the bale isnt 100% brown and has a bit of green to it with a fresh smell but im scared as hell if seeds pop up, this shit is some bad ass hardy type of grass. . Any help would be appreciated. Peace

I'd say you made the right choice. Just from the wiki link you provided I would bet that it's a great bio accumulator based upon the root system that "penetrates over 13 feet deep" in to the soil.

 

[a senile fungus]

The straw is a bedding, not much nutrition and it drains very easily.

 

[a senile fungus]

The straw is a bedding, not much nutrition and it drains very easily.

It would do well as a mulch, to prevent evaporation from the medium. But it wouldn't provide much nutritionally, I'd opt for an alfalfa or Timothy hay mix...

 

[SouthernSoil*]

I'd say you made the right choice. Just from the wiki link you provided I would bet that it's a great bio accumulator based upon the root system that "penetrates over 13 feet deep" in to the soil.

Thank you for the reply bro, definitely should have some awesome nutrients within, all im worried about is the possibility of it having seeds cause some people say it could pop up the next year & they might be extremely tiny, for my ladies pots its not a problem but the outdoor garden it could turn into a menace? I still have lucerne/afalfa to mulch my ladies with but i guess i could get the straw bale and mix up some lucerne/alfalfa for my ladies and just add the straw to the outdoor garden, Peace bro !

 

[SouthernSoil*]

The straw is a bedding, not much nutrition and it drains very easily.

It would do well as a mulch, to prevent evaporation from the medium. But it wouldn't provide much nutritionally, I'd opt for an alfalfa or Timothy hay mix...

Hey man, so i take it the straw will probably dry out very quickly and blow away in an instant ? I could find out and order a bale of alfalfa, atleast it will be way easier to deal with if it does sprout aswell ? On the other hand would a 2" layer of lucerne mulch be okay for my ladies or possibly a bit too strong cause it is more potent than afalfa? Peace man thank you for the input.

 

[st0wandgrow]

Thank you for the reply bro, definitely should have some awesome nutrients within, all im worried about is the possibility of it having seeds cause some people say it could pop up the next year & they might be extremely tiny, for my ladies pots its not a problem but the outdoor garden it could turn into a menace? I still have lucerne/afalfa to mulch my ladies with but i guess i could get the straw bale and mix up some lucerne/alfalfa for my ladies and just add the straw to the outdoor garden, Peace bro !

If you're worried about seeds you could always compost the grass. That pile would heat up pretty quickly and kill any seeds present

 

[a senile fungus]

If you're worried about seeds you could always compost the grass. That pile would heat up pretty quickly and kill any seeds present

Yes that. And also, it'd just be grass seeds really, no harm as a living mulch I wouldn't think...

 

[st0wandgrow]

Yes that. And also, it'd just be grass seeds really, no harm as a living mulch I wouldn't think...

I agree, but I can see the hesitation with it in an outdoor garden where it could become very invasive.

 

[a senile fungus]

I agree, but I can see the hesitation with it in an outdoor garden where it could become very invasive.

True.

My outdoor garden this year suffered from erosion at the surface due to lack of cover and roots to keep the soil around.

Next year its cover crops and mulch all the way...

I'm really surprised how much surface soil washed away...

 

[SouthernSoil*]

Thank you guys again for the input, i would love to compost it although the problem is i dont have space to compost anything here also its not my place so taking the risk of potentially causing a invasive weed problem will have to be scratched off, bedding hay wont do the trick either so ill have to wait it out till i get some alfalfa, Peace ! : )

 

[DonPetro]

Rosemary over-wintering nicely in no-till rols under a 23w cfl.


ROLS brings all kind of life to the party.

 

[SouthernSoil*]

So today i just bought a bale of bedding hay, apparently im going to wait like 2-3 weeks for alfalfa hay so i just took the bale, should do a good job outdoor just wondering if its recommend for my ladies ? or maybe mix up the bedding hay with lucerne hay ? Not too concerned about its nutrient content at this stage cause ill be doing AACT's.

Here are the ladies im thinking of flipping to flowering tomorrow though

The bottom right plant has grown very quickly apparently a mango kush but im hoping its not a male though, how do you tell if its just more sativa or its just a male ? I was thinking it would have balls by now seeing as the other unknown indica in the top left has female preflowers but it seems it is taking some time to show as it was planted at the same time as the unknown indica, plz let it be a fem !!!!

 

[st0wandgrow]

So today i just bought a bale of bedding hay, apparently im going to wait like 2-3 weeks for alfalfa hay so i just took the bale, should do a good job outdoor just wondering if its recommend for my ladies ? or maybe mix up the bedding hay with lucerne hay ? Not too concerned about its nutrient content at this stage cause ill be doing AACT's.

Here are the ladies im thinking of flipping to flowering tomorrow though

The bottom right plant has grown very quickly apparently a mango kush but im hoping its not a male though, how do you tell if its just more sativa or its just a male ? I was thinking it would have balls by now seeing as the other unknown indica in the top left has female preflowers but it seems it is taking some time to show as it was planted at the same time as the unknown indica, plz let it be a fem !!!!

The hay will be A-OK for a mulch.

I will defer to somone more knowledgeable than I on spotting pre-flowers in veg. I always just take clones and flip them to flower.

The plants are looking very nice bro!

 

[SouthernSoil*]

The hay will be A-OK for a mulch.

I will defer to somone more knowledgeable than I on spotting pre-flowers in veg. I always just take clones and flip them to flower.

The plants are looking very nice bro!

Thank you bro, ill pop some in the pots then.

well if it does come out a male hopefully the church will take over its space because its becoming very bushy. They all been vegged with the 250w MH, normal base mix of a third of peat,perli,ewc just been doing the lacto b. watering but was considering adding some molasses with that, then maybe hitting up a AACT on the 2nd,3rd or 4th week of flowering, not sure when i should flip though, ive seen grows where plants are tiny and end up huge. Peace bro !

 

[st0wandgrow]

Thank you bro, ill pop some in the pots then.

well if it does come out a male hopefully the church will take over its space because its becoming very bushy. They all been vegged with the 250w MH, normal base mix of a third of peat,perli,ewc just been doing the lacto b. watering but was considering adding some molasses with that, then maybe hitting up a AACT on the 2nd,3rd or 4th week of flowering, not sure when i should flip though, ive seen grows where plants are tiny and end up huge. Peace bro !

First time growing The Church? I had it in my garden for a couple years. It didn't get huge per se, but it had pretty spindly branches that didn't do well when the buds started to fatten up. Might want to consider something to help support the bud weight.

I really liked that strain BTW. It had a really unique floral odor (didn't smell like weed at all) which translated over to the taste 100%.

 

[earthling420]

So ive seen a couple different soil recipes and i am wondering how one decides how much of the meals and rock dusts to add? How much will be too much? Im about to mix my soil together and just wanna double check everything before i mess up. Ive seen half a cup per cubic foot and 1 cup and even 2-4 cups per cubic foot. Anything you awesome organic growers could share?

 

[SouthernSoil*]

First time growing The Church? I had it in my garden for a couple years. It didn't get huge per se, but it had pretty spindly branches that didn't do well when the buds started to fatten up. Might want to consider something to help support the bud weight.

I really liked that strain BTW. It had a really unique floral odor (didn't smell like weed at all) which translated over to the taste 100%.

First time bro, ud agree for a 3x3 it could get pretty big though ? I was thinking of what i could do to support the plants though bro, we dont really have specialised tomato cages here but rather like wire mesh with really big holes, ill look up some DIY ways to support these ladies, see what suits best. It really has beautiful smell bro, ill be really mind blown smoking it, especially with all the really brilliant ideas and help from you guys respect bro !

 

[st0wandgrow]

So ive seen a couple different soil recipes and i am wondering how one decides how much of the meals and rock dusts to add? How much will be too much? Im about to mix my soil together and just wanna double check everything before i mess up. Ive seen half a cup per cubic foot and 1 cup and even 2-4 cups per cubic foot. Anything you awesome organic growers could share?

Myself, I go with 2 cups total per cf of the meals, however you choose to arrive at that, and 4 cups total per cf of minerals.

I usually make 4 cf soil at a time, and to that I go with 2 cups kelp meal, 2 cups crab shell meal, 2 cups neem seed meal, and 2 cups alfalfa meal. Then I add 10-12 cups of rock dusts, 2 cups of oyster shell flour, a cup of greensand, a cup of gyspsum, and maybe a cup of azomite (depending on what I have laying around).

When you recycle the soil, you can add 1/2 of the meals that you originally started with, and skip on the minerals until maybe your third or fourth run of that same soil

 

[earthling420]

Myself, I go with 2 cups total per cf of the meals, however you choose to arrive at that, and 4 cups total per cf of minerals.

I usually make 4 cf soil at a time, and to that I go with 2 cups kelp meal, 2 cups crab shell meal, 2 cups neem seed meal, and 2 cups alfalfa meal. Then I add 10-12 cups of rock dusts, 2 cups of oyster shell flour, a cup of greensand, a cup of gyspsum, and maybe a cup of azomite (depending on what I have laying around).

When you recycle the soil, you can add 1/2 of the meals that you originally started with, and skip on the minerals until maybe your third or fourth run of that same soil

Awesome thanks bro. ALSO, would people using less cups per foot be using a lot of teas vs those using more cups per foot? Can i burn the plants adding too much or would it just be unnecessary? I have heard alfalfa meal can be pretty hot though