Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

Rising Moon

Rising Moon

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Rrog,

I agree about 15+ gallons being the ideal size for this type of growing.

But with the current setup I have for flowering, 15 gallon pots were too big.

I really like Kush Kings indoor bed set up, and his very pro grow has inspired me to start designing a similar set up for my new flower tent.
 
Rising Moon

Rising Moon

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I found some cool videos to remind us/teach us some natural processes.

Most of these same techniques apply to what we are all trying to achieve...

[video=youtube;oL-Wa9zWl1o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL-Wa9zWl1o[/video]

LEARN and ENJOY!
 
Rising Moon

Rising Moon

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This is the REAL deal...

This guy Alex is Healing the Earth thousands of acres at a time, and devoted his life to making BD preps for others in order to heal the earth...

[video=youtube;vKc_nQGuC6k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKc_nQGuC6k[/video]
 
Seaf0ur

Seaf0ur

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Some thoughts from the class, if y'all don't mind....

My soil....

i have no peat moss, and clearly ive used much less calcium carbonate because of this.
I'm quite heavier on the thermal compost, and have mostly composted wood mulch mixed in my soil,
I also got soil from both an established organic garden, and also from under an old robust tree over a hill, wind side where leaves naturally collected, dug down 8" or so, and took about a foot for BIM's / Fungii - I DO use orca and great white to ensure Myco...


cant tell you exact amounts on those, i'm doing this by feel mostly.

I had about 3 foot cubed of this base +

a healthy handful of volcanic rock crushed with my 3 lb hand sledge into dime size or less... much powder for silica...
4.5 or so lb rice hulls from the brewing supply store
2.5 cup each of porcine bone and blood meals
about the same of espoma organic garden dolemite lime and their soil acidifier (which is basically sulphur and gypsum)
25 OZs of bio-tome's starter food
a couple good double handfulls of bunny food (alfalfa pellets)
some kelp.... but I KNOW i need more of that
I've added (and sprinkled on top) single grain baby oatmeal for a fungus food source to boost my fungii. amount ?... cup or 2 i dont know all amounts are approximate.

i put some "glacial rock dust" i sot as a sample... but I have a local granite guy who will give me onyx and granite cutting dust from the air cleaner filters (he knows what I'm doing.) I am currently waiting because he is cutting resin filled quartz polymer shit, so he has to finish THAT and clean out all the air filters... then after just cutting natural stone, he is saving me the air filter dust from THAT sooo....

am i "fully organic" like some fools would argue about? maybe not... I'm not fully sure, I'm trying.... What should I add before I start my "cook" countdown in order to fully support my soil food web? my flowering pots will be 20 gallon + so a no-till fully living soil is what im trying to achieve..... so far my water retention is ASTOUNDING with this mix, I have some base that i left un-amended to sprout seed, I'm in your classic red beer pong cup... and i haven't watered in 5 days... my soil is still moist and my baby's first leaves are curling...
 
fattiemcnuggins

fattiemcnuggins

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sullivan666 said:
Just put in my order at peaceful valley for white dutch and barley seed. :blsmoke:

And an order with rosemountain herbs for some yarrow and comfrey leaf, neem leaf powder, and can't forget the earl grey tea...:mrgreen:
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Earl grey? this just for sipping or did I miss something LoL
I'll let you guys know how my corn kernel tea works out!
 
GreenSanta

GreenSanta

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thanks for sharing rising moon, i have followed phil's online course, fyi, some of his vids are really hard to watch, on the pricey side too considering so much info is free on the internet. however, it was a great introduction to organic gardening for me and all the info is put together in an easy to learn format, and each video has a text version that can often be easier to read than watching the video, phil has amazing knowledge and if i can afford it, i might even follow this year's course.
 
snowboarder396

snowboarder396

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Good vids rising moon. Esp loved the second video when he was talking about leaves being best mulch and most nutricious. Also liked info about bark not being good and possibly poisonous..
 
sullivan666

sullivan666

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fattiemcnuggins said:
Earl grey? this just for sipping or did I miss something LoL
I'll let you guys know how my corn kernel tea works out!
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Haha, indeed just for sippin.

RM, thanks for the vids, I'll be watching later when I have the time.

I picked up the book One Straw Revolution by [FONT=arial, sans-serif]Masanobu Fukuoka from the library the other day per Headtreep's suggestion...I'm only 1/4 in and damn. Incredible book thus far...a lot about "do-nothing farming" (ROLS) and how beneficial it is. What I'm really enjoying though is the Zen Buddhist philosophy he intertwines with no till farming. It really is a spiritual practice as much as or even more than a great agricultural technique. [/FONT]
 
SpliffAndMyLady

SpliffAndMyLady

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Rising Moon said:
I found some cool videos to remind us/teach us some natural processes.

Most of these same techniques apply to what we are all trying to achieve...

[video=youtube;oL-Wa9zWl1o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL-Wa9zWl1o[/video]

LEARN and ENJOY!
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7:08, thats what it's all about :clap: great videos thanks for sharing.
 
Cann

Cann

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kushking42 said:
im sitting on several hundred pounds of rock phosphate that i dont know what to do with. placed that order before i really got into rols. i dont want to use it just to use it. i put a bout 10#'s per yard in all my containers last year, guess i can put some into the veggie beds. suggestions anyone?
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sell it on craigslist?? lol. there have gotta be a bunch of ganja farmers in your area who are sourcing amendments for their summer operations at the moment (all the slackers haha) who would be pumped to get some cheap rock phosphate. hell, i would've been all over that a year ago...

btw, got the price quote for a #2000 tote of cascade minerals basalt. there is a fine and a coarse version of their product...i have the coarse stuff and it is a good mixture of dust and particles no bigger than a ganja seed..never tried their fine before but I imagine it is similar to glacial...i think its 200 micron. the price for fine is $680, coarse is $620. not too shabby...

also, that is the price for a one time order, if you are ordering regularly he can "drop the price quite a lot". also you can get bulk #50 bags for $25 each with #100 minimum order. price drop if you order more than #200. if you want i can just give you his contact info..i have a material sheet for the rock as well but the pdf is too large to upload here. PM me your email and i can give you a copy so you know what you're getting. they have a bunch of literature in there too w/ lab trials, etc. pretty sweet.

btw i'm agreed with everyone else that your indoor setup is badass and inspirational. those beds are rockin! thats the setup i'm aiming for in 5 years...
 
kushking42

kushking42

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craigslist is an excellent idea. and thanks for your detailed response regarding the basalt really appreciate you taking the time to email and such. that price seems very reasonable. now i just need to figure out how much i need. cc's re-amend recipe is in volume not weight i believe. 4cups per cubic foot of rocks? i think i have about 2000 cubic feet here..

thanks for the kind words! the beds will be improving greatly from the help im getting here!
 
Cann

Cann

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yup 4 cups per cuft...you could even go with 5 if you want. i've seen cootz recommend 6 cups per cuft a while back when he was known as lumperdawgz on grasscity. i think he found that 4 produced roughly the same results as 6, so to save a little $$ he recommends 4.

also i believe cootz now uses a "rock dust mix" that is as follows

4x glacial
1x bentonite (sourced at pottery supply stores...boosts CEC a whole lot)
1x oyster shell
1x basalt

AFAIK the basalt and glacial are relatively interchangeable...local is best, and since you're in norcal basalt is definitely the choice. if you were in canada it would be a whole different situation. i believe that recipe was posted right after cootz found the basalt dust suppliers (cascade hasn't been around that long) and he was just testing the basalt thats why its such a low amount. anyway.....

depending on what else is in your beds you might not need to use the dust mix, but I just thought i'd share it anyway.

let us know if that stuff sells on craigslist ;) and no worries about the help...i want to see those beds produce amazing plants just as much as you do brotha :bigjoint: it's an inspiration...

check your email btw
 
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