Realistic Indoor Yeild
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joekikass
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last crop 4 plants 2x400 w hps just over 4 month seedling to dryed'n'bagged using old globes just over a pound and thats dryed so i dont see what your going on about and not a sog method . with some side lighting for lower budz i'd expect even more . check my gallery last pict are about 2 weeks from harvest
videoman40
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TilthedayIdie.....
Gee, I hate to disagree, but I think you read it wrong. What it said was if you grow it 4 to 7 nodes than flower it'll reach one meter. This is NOT what he did, he grew it to one meter, than switched to flower, so, yes it'll get mucho taller! Almost all pot plants will "atleast" double when switched to flowering. If you read between the lines there you would have also noticed that this strain is somewhat unstable and they are still working on it. So anything could happen.
So far as using MH lighting, again this is certainly of a benefit. I was reading some studies on this and quality is fine, and quality only suffers slightly on a plant flowered with only mh, however using it with hps would be great. The mixed spectrum would be better than just the hps.
Gee, I hate to disagree, but I think you read it wrong. What it said was if you grow it 4 to 7 nodes than flower it'll reach one meter. This is NOT what he did, he grew it to one meter, than switched to flower, so, yes it'll get mucho taller! Almost all pot plants will "atleast" double when switched to flowering. If you read between the lines there you would have also noticed that this strain is somewhat unstable and they are still working on it. So anything could happen.
So far as using MH lighting, again this is certainly of a benefit. I was reading some studies on this and quality is fine, and quality only suffers slightly on a plant flowered with only mh, however using it with hps would be great. The mixed spectrum would be better than just the hps.
Seedlessone
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hey try english next time....from what i read (hope im wrong) are you trying to say that grow in the pic is no big deal? If thats the case you are a fool. You state you used two 400w hps to get a pound. Well this guy used one.
Kingdom Sky
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At least you have a big room, cali-high...I'm just concerned that, after reading the average height of 1 meter, I assume that is supposed to be at harvest time, right?? So you'd probably want to flower at way less than that, right?? I'm somewhat of a noob, so I would appreciate someone clearing this up....moreover, flowering AT 1 meter is gonna make your plants so big that you'll need plenty of side-lighting if you want anything but your top few feet to produce a yield that's worth all the time you spend vegging....is this a good way to look at it??
Seedlessone
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videoman40
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Dude, you assumed correctly! It clearly stated to flower at between 4 to 7 nodes. Which was probably around one foot.
That is a very good way to look at it, you keep hitting the nail on the head.
How is he going to get the light to the majority of the plant, he can't. Not at that size.
That is a very good way to look at it, you keep hitting the nail on the head.
How is he going to get the light to the majority of the plant, he can't. Not at that size.
pig-hatin-pothead
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that grow in that pic was awesome to say in the least. Ive never even herd of anyone getting 1lb off of 1 400 hps
joekikass
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i guess i'll change my name to joefoolass , if his plants are a meter and he's just put them into flower then i cant see why close to a pound dry is so unbelievible , mine were 2 weeks veg 24h and about 8" when put on 12/12 , Ive just started 3 more of the grapefruit strain, im going to veg them for another week or so with a 600 and a 400 w. I am shooting for 2 pound dry off 6 or 7 plants and you will be the first to know the result !
Seedlessone
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Dude you are aiming WAY to high....you are not gonna get 2lbs from a 600w and a 400w....your are crazy man.. If you get a LB from those light consider your self lucky. goodluck man~ dont aim so high, b.c you are just gonna be disapointed.
Seedlessone
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just b/c your plants are bigger doesnt always mean you are getting more bud. In this guys case him wating to flowering at 1meter just hurt his yield big time!
cali-high
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hi guys the light has no problem getting to the lower buds. im planing on trimming the leaves back so it will get maxium light also i dont have my plants all bunches up together i have em in a triangle formation with fans and everything else running. i have the light set light 6in from the plants.the light sits vertical and also i turn the plants 180 degrees to make sure every bud spot is getting the maxium light.
im going to be trimming em this weekend.
peace
cali-high
im going to be trimming em this weekend.
peace
cali-high
videoman40
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Cali-high, I know you've found yourself in the midst of a debate, sorry about that. It happens around here, we need a good debate alteast once a week. lol
Here's some info for you to utilize, or not, as it was explained to me by a friend who is knowledgeable in the matter of lighting.
Mixing fluoro/HID widens the spectrum of light the plants receive which can only help you. The intensity and overall illumination of the HID lamp will overshadow the intensity and illumination of the fluoros so mixing a MH & a HPS will have a greater effect on growth than mixing fluoros with HPS or MH. Fluoros are excellent in conjunction with HID when used as side lighting to extend the penetration and coverage of light to the lower portions of the plant(s).
For an extremely good yield go with HPS. Plain HPS is cheap and works well, but specialty bulbs like Son Agro and EYE Hortilux are many times better and about 5 times as expensive as a regular HPS bulb.
For a slightly more potent and significantly smaller yield go with MH for flowering. Specialty MH bulbs like the Sunmaster series are excellent and the price difference between them and regular MH bulbs is about the same as that for HPS vs specialty HPS bulbs.
You need to be providing at least 3000 lumens/ft² when vegging to ensure compact, dense growth and at least 5000 lumens/ft² when flowering. In HID terms that's about 30w/ft² to veg and 50w/ft² to flower.
My garden is lit with 5500 lumens/ft² in veg and 12,500 lumens/ft² when flowering. Check out my pics if you want to see the results that produces.
To illustrate that it doesn't take a lot of wattage to do what I'm doing, those illumination levels are achieved with a 250w MH and a 400w HPS. 62.5w/ft² to veg and 100w/ft² to flower.
A watt is a unit of energy consumption, not light produced, so fluoros don't hold up to the watts/ft² principle and consideration of lumens/ft² is in order. HID's are also more efficient than fluoros.
Example: A 65W fluoro puts out about 3400 lumens while a 50w HPS puts out about 4000 lumens. That's a 17% gain in light output from 23% less energy consumption.
Here's some info for you to utilize, or not, as it was explained to me by a friend who is knowledgeable in the matter of lighting.
Mixing fluoro/HID widens the spectrum of light the plants receive which can only help you. The intensity and overall illumination of the HID lamp will overshadow the intensity and illumination of the fluoros so mixing a MH & a HPS will have a greater effect on growth than mixing fluoros with HPS or MH. Fluoros are excellent in conjunction with HID when used as side lighting to extend the penetration and coverage of light to the lower portions of the plant(s).
For an extremely good yield go with HPS. Plain HPS is cheap and works well, but specialty bulbs like Son Agro and EYE Hortilux are many times better and about 5 times as expensive as a regular HPS bulb.
For a slightly more potent and significantly smaller yield go with MH for flowering. Specialty MH bulbs like the Sunmaster series are excellent and the price difference between them and regular MH bulbs is about the same as that for HPS vs specialty HPS bulbs.
You need to be providing at least 3000 lumens/ft² when vegging to ensure compact, dense growth and at least 5000 lumens/ft² when flowering. In HID terms that's about 30w/ft² to veg and 50w/ft² to flower.
My garden is lit with 5500 lumens/ft² in veg and 12,500 lumens/ft² when flowering. Check out my pics if you want to see the results that produces.
To illustrate that it doesn't take a lot of wattage to do what I'm doing, those illumination levels are achieved with a 250w MH and a 400w HPS. 62.5w/ft² to veg and 100w/ft² to flower.
A watt is a unit of energy consumption, not light produced, so fluoros don't hold up to the watts/ft² principle and consideration of lumens/ft² is in order. HID's are also more efficient than fluoros.
Example: A 65W fluoro puts out about 3400 lumens while a 50w HPS puts out about 4000 lumens. That's a 17% gain in light output from 23% less energy consumption.
cali-high
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hi well i didnt know theyre was so many post on here! lol
my attentions was not to flower and 1 meter but im was in a money bind.
my plants had been growing in veg stage for 5 months.
alright some comments were rude some wernt. these seeds were giving to me free from the breeder. and so i wanted to exspirement with em.
so guys should i or should i not use that 400w mh to help out the hps.
also i only got 1 timer so i have only use the mh on the weekend or can i use a power strip and plug em both in?
heres the link to the timer
eBay: HYDROPONIC 7-DAY DIGITAL TIMER by HYDROFARM GREENHOUSE (item 130086209367 end time Mar-13-07 16:12:31 PDT)
peace
cali-high
my attentions was not to flower and 1 meter but im was in a money bind.
my plants had been growing in veg stage for 5 months.
alright some comments were rude some wernt. these seeds were giving to me free from the breeder. and so i wanted to exspirement with em.
so guys should i or should i not use that 400w mh to help out the hps.
also i only got 1 timer so i have only use the mh on the weekend or can i use a power strip and plug em both in?
heres the link to the timer
eBay: HYDROPONIC 7-DAY DIGITAL TIMER by HYDROFARM GREENHOUSE (item 130086209367 end time Mar-13-07 16:12:31 PDT)
peace
cali-high
cali-high
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my grow room is in a back room. my plants are in 2 1/2 gallon pots. its not like its a big area theyre getting the maxium light .my grow room is a 1ft2
hortilux 55000lumens
(my light)phillups 50000
5000 lumens difference. also that was the only light at the hydroponic store.
hortilux 55000lumens
(my light)phillups 50000
5000 lumens difference. also that was the only light at the hydroponic store.
videoman40
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My advice is YES use both lights dude.
Peace
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videoman40
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sure you can, its rated for more than the total of the two lights, I did look at it.
Seedlessone
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you need bigger pots. for a vegging plant of 5 months, dont use anything smaller than 5 gallon pots. you might already be root bound
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