RC banning. it has begun

tebor

Well-Known Member
Also the DEA department of diversion entry on jwh-018 is interesting.
the link:

http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/dr...ice_jwh018.htm

this line is particularly scary:
Information on user population in the U.S. is very limited, and includes information from drug user internet forums.

Thoughts on this line anyone?


JWH-018*
1-Pentyl-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole
[Purported Ingredient of "Spice"]


July 2009
DEA/OD/ODE​
Introduction:
JWH-018 is a synthetic cannabinoid agonist without the classical cannabinoid chemical structure. It is used in scientific research as a tool to study the cannabinoid system. It was recently purported to be found in the herbal mixture "Spice", sold in European countries mainly via internet shops. Although JWH-018 is likely to have the same effects in humans as Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (Δ9-THC), the main active ingredient of marijuana, it is not controlled in the U.S.
Licit Uses:
JWH-018 is used in basic scientific research to identify cannabinoid receptors in the brain and study Δ9-THC’s mechanisms of action.
Chemistry:
1-Pentyl-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole or JWH-018 has been identified as a substance that has some pharmacological similarities to tetrahydrocannabinols contained in Cannabis sativa L. (marijuana). However, it is not related in chemical structure to tetrahydrocannabinols (THC), or other cannabinoids contained within the cannabis plant. Nor is it structurally related to other substances controlled under the CSA.
The chemical structure of JWH-018 (left) and Δ 9-THC (right), a compound found in marijuana and representative of the THC structural class, are shown below.
Based on the structural analysis, JWH-018 is not categorized as a THC substance, and is not similar in chemical structure to other substances controlled under the CSA.
Pharmacology:
Behavioral pharmacology studies show that JWH-018 has Δ9-THC-like activity in animals. In mice, it decreases overall activity, produces analgesia, decreases body temperature and produces catalepsy. Together, these four effects are used by scientists to predict Δ9-THC-like psychoactivity in humans. JWH-018’s activity in all four tests suggests that it is likely to have THC-like psychoactive effects in humans.
In vitro studies show that JWH-018 binds to the brain cannabinoid receptor CB1 with higher affinity than Δ9-THC, suggesting that it would have the same effects as Δ9-THC in vivo.
A search in the literature resulted in no published studies of the effects of JWH-018 in humans.
Illicit Uses:
JWH-018 is purported to be an ingredient in the herbal mixture "Spice" which may be smoked for its psychoactive effects. No information on the illicit use of JWH-018 in the U.S. has been identified at this time.
User Population:
Information on user population in the U.S. is very limited, and includes information from drug user internet forums. JWH-018 abuse is not monitored by any national drug abuse surveys.
Illicit Distribution:
The System to Retrieve Drug Evidence (STRIDE), a federal database for the seized drugs analyzed by DEA forensic laboratories, and the National Forensic Laboratory System (NFLIS), a system that collects drug analysis information from state and local forensic laboratories, do not contain reports of JWH-018. Seizures of herbal mixtures called "Spice" were reported in Ohio and Florida. "Spice" is purported to contain JWH-018 and other substances that are similar in pharmacological activity to Δ9-THC.
Control Status:
JWH-018 is not currently controlled under the CSA.
* NOTE: Because of an inconsistency encountered while preparing this review, identification of the correct structure corresponding to the name JWH-018 was confirmed through communication with the chemist who initially designed and synthesized this substance.
 

ndangerspecimen101

Well-Known Member
What's odd is because cannabis is so closed to being taxed here in cali.... that it would be stupid to go after a chemical that has similar traits!
 

shepj

Oracle of Hallucinogens
JWH-018 is already being looked into medicinally.. of course they want to ban it!

Take a look into:
Salvia
Ibogaine
(any) Tryptamine
JWH-xxx

and you will find that they have medical uses, some that actually cure shit.. for instance:

Tryptamines (LSD): can remove Cluster Headaches and Migraines from a single use (~ 25ug) for up to 3 months. < So guys with Migraines/CH, imagine no depressed feelings, no headaches, no nausea, and a regular sleep pattern along with not taking daily pharmaceuticals!

And that is only one of its many, many uses.

Think about this... MDMA/Tryptamines being used in psychoanalytical therapy, essentially it would be a cure to many known personality disorders and such.

Ibogaine has been known to completely eliminate opiate/opioid addiction (No more methadone clinics and many step processes that DO NOT WORK).

Salvia... I have heard it can be used to eliminate or suppress alcohol addiction.

Everything that can cure/help people, GETS FUCKING BANNED! Pharmaceutical industries do not make money off of curing people! They make money by you going to a doctor and/or specialist and them prescribing you shit that you have to come back for, and shit that will never cure you!
 

sarah22

Well-Known Member
JWH-018 is already being looked into medicinally.. of course they want to ban it!

Take a look into:
Salvia
Ibogaine
(any) Tryptamine
JWH-xxx

and you will find that they have medical uses, some that actually cure shit.. for instance:

Tryptamines (LSD): can remove Cluster Headaches and Migraines from a single use (~ 25ug) for up to 3 months. < So guys with Migraines/CH, imagine no depressed feelings, no headaches, no nausea, and a regular sleep pattern along with not taking daily pharmaceuticals!

And that is only one of its many, many uses.

Think about this... MDMA/Tryptamines being used in psychoanalytical therapy, essentially it would be a cure to many known personality disorders and such.

Ibogaine has been known to completely eliminate opiate/opioid addiction (No more methadone clinics and many step processes that DO NOT WORK).

Salvia... I have heard it can be used to eliminate or suppress alcohol addiction.

Everything that can cure/help people, GETS FUCKING BANNED! Pharmaceutical industries do not make money off of curing people! They make money by you going to a doctor and/or specialist and them prescribing you shit that you have to come back for, and shit that will never cure you!
a cure to personality disorders?! dude...if X could really help me, i'd be willing to try it out...do you happen to know of any info i could look into about that? any links or anything? it would be greatly appreciated if anyone has additional info about that :bigjoint:
 

shepj

Oracle of Hallucinogens
a cure to personality disorders?! dude...if X could really help me, i'd be willing to try it out...do you happen to know of any info i could look into about that? any links or anything? it would be greatly appreciated if anyone has additional info about that :bigjoint:
You'd be better off with psychedelics, I think they are studying MDMA with things like PTSD.

LSD (I will post excerpt of various medicinal applications):

"Peter Gasser, a Swiss psychiatrist, is currently conducting a study to determine whether LSD (lysergic acid diethylamide) could be used to treat fear and anxious feelings in disorders such as PTSD and anxiety disorders."

"Until the 1970s, LSD was frequently used to treat depression, anxiety and addiction and, less commonly, migraines, arthritis, paralysis and skin complaints."

"Hallucinogens such as LSD, peyote, and Tryptamine alkaloid psilocybin have been proposed as treatment due to their observed effects on OCD symptoms[50]. It has been hypothesised that hallucinogens may stimulate 5-HT2A receptors and, less significantly, 5-HT2C receptors, causing an inhibitory effect on the orbitofrontal cortex, an area of the brain strongly associated with hyperactivity and OCD"

"LSD has been used as a treatment for cluster headaches, an uncommon but extremely painful disorder."

"LSD was studied in the 1960s by Eric Kast as an analgesic for serious and chronic pain caused by cancer or other major trauma. Even at low (sub-psychedelic) dosages, it was found to be at least as effective as traditional opiates, while being much longer lasting pain reduction (lasting as long as a week after peak effects had subsided). Kast attributed this effect to a decrease in anxiety. This reported effect is being tested (though not using LSD) in an ongoing (as of 2006) study of the effects of the psychedelic tryptamine psilocybin on anxiety in terminal cancer patients."

***"In the 1950s and 1960's LSD was used in psychiatry to enhance psychotherapy. Some psychiatrists believed LSD was especially useful at helping patients to "unblock" repressed subconscious material through other psychotherapeutic methods, and also for treating alcoholism. One study concluded, "The root of the therapeutic value of the LSD experience is its potential for producing self-acceptance and self-surrender," presumably by forcing the user to face issues and problems in that individual's psyche."

*** That is partially my theory to helping those with personality disorders. If a substance can open your mind to the way you tick, you are able to face it head on and help overcome things.

EDIT:

Read this:
http://www.psychedelic-library.org/grofhist.htm
(atleast the THERAPEUTIC EXPERIMENTATION WITH LSD section)
 

Hidden Agenda

Well-Known Member
can someone point me to some more of this stuff? all i can find is "k2" but i dont even know what RC means so it's kinda hard for me to do any research.

Anyone here try it? what's it like?
 

tebor

Well-Known Member
rc = research chemicals
Jwh-018,jwh-073 and other jwh's are cannabinoid agonist ,similar to marijuana
2c-i,2c-e,2c-t-7,4-aco-dmt along with many more are psychedelic with affects comparable to lsd,shrooms and mdma

try erowid.org for much info and user experiences.
also search wikipedia for any of the above mentioned chemicals.
 

drugreference

Active Member
No fear folks, pm me now!
I am now selling all major RCs, automatic rifles, and flavored tobacco products! Get them wile they'r leagal and make sure YOU:hump: are the last man standing!

(Also ask about our deal on 16 year old strippers if in Rhode Island ;-))
 

Hidden Agenda

Well-Known Member
rc = research chemicals
Jwh-018,jwh-073 and other jwh's are cannabinoid agonist ,similar to marijuana
2c-i,2c-e,2c-t-7,4-aco-dmt along with many more are psychedelic with affects comparable to lsd,shrooms and mdma

try erowid.org for much info and user experiences.
also search wikipedia for any of the above mentioned chemicals.
The question i was trying to get answered, is what chemical is the one being used int he products like k2, and is k2 the only product of it's kind commercially produced?
 

tebor

Well-Known Member
the chem in k2 is jwh-018 and/or jwh-073
but jwh-200 or jwh-250 and cp,55940 are very similar

there are several products just like k2.
the famous one that made the news all over Europe recently is called Spice.

but smoking the chemical by itself would be more cost effective.
there is a good thread about making your own spice floating around somewhere in the HS
 

shepj

Oracle of Hallucinogens
MDMA is better known to release repress feelings... to ignite those feelings that seem odd when spoken in day to day reality!
I find that 2c-e is the best substance I have ever used to bring back repressed memories/thoughts/emotions.. far better than MDMA.
 

Hidden Agenda

Well-Known Member
the chem in k2 is jwh-018 and/or jwh-073
but jwh-200 or jwh-250 and cp,55940 are very similar

there are several products just like k2.
the famous one that made the news all over Europe recently is called Spice.

but smoking the chemical by itself would be more cost effective.
there is a good thread about making your own spice floating around somewhere in the HS
thank you very much, i found the thread

Anyone know of the best RELIABLE supplier of jwh-018? stuff is kinda expensive and i dont wanna get ripped off.
 

sarah22

Well-Known Member
You'd be better off with psychedelics, I think they are studying MDMA with things like PTSD.

LSD (I will post excerpt of various medicinal applications):

"Peter Gasser, a Swiss psychiatrist, is currently conducting a study to determine whether LSD (lysergic acid diethylamide) could be used to treat fear and anxious feelings in disorders such as PTSD and anxiety disorders."

"Until the 1970s, LSD was frequently used to treat depression, anxiety and addiction and, less commonly, migraines, arthritis, paralysis and skin complaints."

"Hallucinogens such as LSD, peyote, and Tryptamine alkaloid psilocybin have been proposed as treatment due to their observed effects on OCD symptoms[50]. It has been hypothesised that hallucinogens may stimulate 5-HT2A receptors and, less significantly, 5-HT2C receptors, causing an inhibitory effect on the orbitofrontal cortex, an area of the brain strongly associated with hyperactivity and OCD"

"LSD has been used as a treatment for cluster headaches, an uncommon but extremely painful disorder."

"LSD was studied in the 1960s by Eric Kast as an analgesic for serious and chronic pain caused by cancer or other major trauma. Even at low (sub-psychedelic) dosages, it was found to be at least as effective as traditional opiates, while being much longer lasting pain reduction (lasting as long as a week after peak effects had subsided). Kast attributed this effect to a decrease in anxiety. This reported effect is being tested (though not using LSD) in an ongoing (as of 2006) study of the effects of the psychedelic tryptamine psilocybin on anxiety in terminal cancer patients."

***"In the 1950s and 1960's LSD was used in psychiatry to enhance psychotherapy. Some psychiatrists believed LSD was especially useful at helping patients to "unblock" repressed subconscious material through other psychotherapeutic methods, and also for treating alcoholism. One study concluded, "The root of the therapeutic value of the LSD experience is its potential for producing self-acceptance and self-surrender," presumably by forcing the user to face issues and problems in that individual's psyche."

*** That is partially my theory to helping those with personality disorders. If a substance can open your mind to the way you tick, you are able to face it head on and help overcome things.

EDIT:

Read this:
http://www.psychedelic-library.org/grofhist.htm
(atleast the THERAPEUTIC EXPERIMENTATION WITH LSD section)
thank you very much :bigjoint: +rep to you as well.
 
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