rate your breeder

shagalicious

shagalicious

Active Member
who tells the truth?

everyone on here feels to one extent or another that it's more the grower than the genetics, so what i'm asking is this

what breeder, in your experience, gives the most honest description of their flowers?

i can vouch black creek gardens, but they only offer 1 strain lol - Spyder - most amazing auto i've ever evn HEARD of
grown 17 so far
every 1 is purple from day 1 of flower
every 1 flowers under 24 1kmh at day 21-26
every 1 smells PRECISELY like grape kool-aid powder
every 1 makes fat furry nuggets
1 pheno = 22-27 inches
1 pheno = 30-38 inches
that is all
 
Illegal Smile

Illegal Smile

Well-Known Member
Potency is a matter of genetics. Yield is a matter of the grower.

Buying seeds is often like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get.
 
mantiszn

mantiszn

Well-Known Member
I have to partially disagree, indica usually yield higher than sativa? That's genetics isn't it?
Even same strains grown in identical conditions can yield vastly different amounts. That's genetics.

However I do agree in a sense that an experienced grower can train lower yielding strains to produce more..

Illegal Smile said:
Potency is a matter of genetics. Yield is a matter of the grower.

Buying seeds is often like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get.
Click to expand...
 
The Growery

The Growery

Active Member
I've had identical clones taken from one mother plant and side by side with same lights and nutes and almost all the time one of them will grow taller than the other, go figure
 
shagalicious

shagalicious

Active Member
really great replies...

i'm sure the breeders will be great to hear your vouches

anyone else?
anyone else have a breeder they trust to describe their products accurately?
 
DankShasta

DankShasta

Active Member
mantiszn said:
I have to partially disagree, indica usually yield higher than sativa? That's genetics isn't it?
Click to expand...
That's only because Indica doms lend themselves more to an indoor set-up. I would say that there is no real skill to growing. You simply set-up conditions as close to ideal as you can for the plant. Genetics though....hmmm you just can't polish a turd right? A bad strain is a bad strain, even if expertly grown. Greenhouse, and Nirvana are pretty damn good breeders, I'd say stick with them. I just trade clones at this point with buddies, and haven't bought a seed in a couple years, but I still maintain strains from Nirvana, and Greenhouse that were seeds I bought 3, and 4 years ago. They have very good shit.
 
shagalicious

shagalicious

Active Member
DankShasta said:
That's only because Indica doms lend themselves more to an indoor set-up. I would say that there is no real skill to growing. You simply set-up conditions as close to ideal as you can for the plant. Genetics though....hmmm you just can't polish a turd right? A bad strain is a bad strain, even if expertly grown. Greenhouse, and Nirvana are pretty damn good breeders, I'd say stick with them. I just trade clones at this point with buddies, and haven't bought a seed in a couple years, but I still maintain strains from Nirvana, and Greenhouse that were seeds I bought 3, and 4 years ago. They have very good shit.
Click to expand...

thank you for some actual input

i just ordered from nirvana, so i'll get back to you in 90 days
 
mantiszn

mantiszn

Well-Known Member
Mr nice
gage green
Cbd crew
Emerald triangle
Tga
underground originals
Breeders boutique

Just a few..





shagalicious said:
really great replies...

i'm sure the breeders will be great to hear your vouches

anyone else?
anyone else have a breeder they trust to describe their products accurately?
Click to expand...
 
shagalicious

shagalicious

Active Member
mantiszn said:
Mr nice
gage green
Cbd crew
Emerald triangle
Tga
underground originals
Breeders boutique

Just a few..
Click to expand...

very excited to hear a vouch on mr nice - they have some strains that sound exciting
several others i haven't heard of but will look around
thank you for your positive input
 
mantiszn

mantiszn

Well-Known Member
The bud structures between the two are completely different .. Indica usually has fat dense short buds.. Sativa usually has longer skinnier buds.. Now generally fat people weigh more than skinny people don't they?

Greenhouse has some gold, you just have to dig through copious piles of shit to find them..



DankShasta said:
That's only because Indica doms lend themselves more to an indoor set-up. I would say that there is no real skill to growing. You simply set-up conditions as close to ideal as you can for the plant. Genetics though....hmmm you just can't polish a turd right? A bad strain is a bad strain, even if expertly grown. Greenhouse, and Nirvana are pretty damn good breeders, I'd say stick with them. I just trade clones at this point with buddies, and haven't bought a seed in a couple years, but I still maintain strains from Nirvana, and Greenhouse that were seeds I bought 3, and 4 years ago. They have very good shit.
Click to expand...
 
P

psari

Well-Known Member
Sannie and associated breeders there. Good gear. Works to try and show some of the cross development from time to time.

Even with some of the gear with a wide pheno drift, no surprises and covered well by the folks at the respective forums he maintains for his gear. (wiet and openg)

Plenty of others. Sannie is just a favorite of mine for gene sampling.
 
shagalicious

shagalicious

Active Member
psari said:
Sannie and associated breeders there. Good gear. Works to try and show some of the cross development from time to time.

Even with some of the gear with a wide pheno drift, no surprises and covered well by the folks at the respective forums he maintains for his gear. (wiet and openg)

Plenty of others. Sannie is just a favorite of mine for gene sampling.
Click to expand...
if i were sannie, i'd smile proudly

i'm glad to hear it - i'm taking the sannie vouch to the bank - never heard a single complaint - any particular strains?
i'm VERY interested in line stability - 2 or even 3 phenos is acceptable, but...
you know i'm shayin
i'd really love to hear about a trustworthy breeder for some african sativa

also, i want you guys to understand what i'm after
like subcool says that you can smoke his shit and see cartoons...
um yeah
no - i can't
tasty nugs, but no cartoon land
keep em coming
 
DankShasta

DankShasta

Active Member
mantiszn said:
The bud structures between the two are completely different .. Indica usually has fat dense short buds.. Sativa usually has longer skinnier buds.. .
Click to expand...
Exactly, so in a typical grow room you can lolipop an indica dom, and get a couple fat ass kolas directly under your light. Sativas can do amazing yields, but they like to "explore" , lol. Now I've lived in a country with a tropical climate, where all the dope was outdoor, and basically pure sativas. In these situations the bud to veggative growth ratio on some of the sativas was amazing. Some might call bullshit, but I've seen numerous outdoor stativas that given enough of a grow season yield 3kg+ with no special attention what so ever.

The only reason I point all this out is because nowadays there are Sativa doms that have the flower mass and structure of Indica! There are some great strains out there. I still do a Nebula, and I've flowered this strain maybe 15 in the last four years. It is definitely a sativa-dom in taste, and high. The pheno that I'v ekept going all these years however grows almost text-book Indica, and the shit loves to be cropped, lolipopped, and packed in tight.

Obviously hybrids are where it's at, and at this point there are just some killer strains out there. Anybody ever seen a Silver Haze in flower? They're kind of a pain in the ass growing plant IE- wild, random growth , inconsistent stretches at times, really long sometimes thin bud structures.....you know typical Sativa dom. Now compare that to a modern Super Lemon Haze? It's a great grow room plant, and the high is all haze! Somebody did a nice job breeding that plant, you know what I mean?
 
mantiszn

mantiszn

Well-Known Member
I grew up in south africa.. have also seen some huge outdoor sativa's, so I know what you are saying
I think the grower's ability like you say.. is to control and optimise the conditions for the plant indoors, also managing the growth of the plant itself. Outdoors.. all they need is food an water .. oh and sun of course.. ;)

Definitely need to try the SLH.. I have a TD going at the moment.. one stretchy sativa bitch, managed to tie her down though.. also got two Tahoe OG on the go, and guess what, got the stretchy pheno for both, so at the moment my space is full of lanky ho's, I really should of screen'd the lot but was just far too lazy...

the TD is sooo slow... but it was not unexpected, just hope she's worth it, heard very mixed reviews.. thought I would decide for myself.
The TOG's are starting to look like straight fire and are way ahead of her.

I think that's the ticket.. for me anyway.. Sativa high.. Indica yield and taste..


DankShasta said:
Exactly, so in a typical grow room you can lolipop an indica dom, and get a couple fat ass kolas directly under your light. Sativas can do amazing yields, but they like to "explore" , lol. Now I've lived in a country with a tropical climate, where all the dope was outdoor, and basically pure sativas. In these situations the bud to veggative growth ratio on some of the sativas was amazing. Some might call bullshit, but I've seen numerous outdoor stativas that given enough of a grow season yield 3kg+ with no special attention what so ever.

The only reason I point all this out is because nowadays there are Sativa doms that have the flower mass and structure of Indica! There are some great strains out there. I still do a Nebula, and I've flowered this strain maybe 15 in the last four years. It is definitely a sativa-dom in taste, and high. The pheno that I'v ekept going all these years however grows almost text-book Indica, and the shit loves to be cropped, lolipopped, and packed in tight.

Obviously hybrids are where it's at, and at this point there are just some killer strains out there. Anybody ever seen a Silver Haze in flower? They're kind of a pain in the ass growing plant IE- wild, random growth , inconsistent stretches at times, really long sometimes thin bud structures.....you know typical Sativa dom. Now compare that to a modern Super Lemon Haze? It's a great grow room plant, and the high is all haze! Somebody did a nice job breeding that plant, you know what I mean?
Click to expand...
 
tomato57

tomato57

Well-Known Member
Have you already grown out something from the CBD crew? I thought that the first seeds were released only recently, on their auction forums. I am really looking forward to those CBD rich genetics.

As for the thread topic, I nominate Dinafem as a trustworthy breeder. I have grown out their California Hashplant and Fruit Automatic and those indeed are great medical strains. Although there are slight variations in the phenotype, I haven't encountered anything radical so far. Also from all the reports I have read everyone seemed to be satisfied.

mantiszn said:
Mr nice
gage green
Cbd crew
Emerald triangle
Tga
underground originals
Breeders boutique

Just a few..
Click to expand...
Here is that Dinafem Hashplant, the most common phenotype I have got so far.
F - Day 34 HP2 #2.jpg
 
shagalicious

shagalicious

Active Member
tomato57 said:
Have you already grown out something from the CBD crew? I thought that the first seeds were released only recently, on their auction forums. I am really looking forward to those CBD rich genetics.

As for the thread topic, I nominate Dinafem as a trustworthy breeder. I have grown out their California Hashplant and Fruit Automatic and those indeed are great medical strains. Although there are slight variations in the phenotype, I haven't encountered anything radical so far. Also from all the reports I have read everyone seemed to be satisfied.



Here is that Dinafem Hashplant, the most common phenotype I have got so far.
View attachment 2121643
Click to expand...

that hash plant is sexy
i've never heard anything bad about dinafem
thanks for the reply
 
lowblower

lowblower

Well-Known Member
i grew some ultra lemon haze from auto seeds that i was very impressed with, they outgrew the other strains i tried that time, and the description of the high and the smell/flavour was absolutely spot on. The only thing is the breeder recommends 90+ days for maximum potency and to do a 15/9 light cycle. well......i hadnt even read that bit before i found my plants flowering under 20/4 light cycle....so im guessing there are a few phenos and the breeders are covering their asses....who knows, but i was so impressed with what i had that i ordered some more (check my sig) im currently waiting for them to flower now as they are mid of week 4
 
Vindicated

Vindicated

Well-Known Member
I think all the breeders are full of shit when it comes to descriptions. Some times they get a little close, like Nirvana's Bubbalicous is slightly fruity smelling, DNAFem's Blueberry does have a tiny tiny tiny blueberry ish smell, and Green House Seed's Lemon Haze has a its bitsy tiny weeny lemony smell, but nothing like the description would leave you to believe. I get it though, the descriptions are designed to sell and in order to sell you have to hype things up a bit.

I rely more on smoke reports then a breeder's descriptions. Even then it's not really accurate because sometimes its just hard to describe what your smelling and what ferts and soil you use also makes a difference in the end product. But at least if you read 5-10 smoke reports you get a reasonably fair expectation of what your going to get.
 
Endur0xX

Endur0xX

Well-Known Member
I like Jordan of the Island , excellent germination rate and the end product is always a surprise. They dont give out much info on their strains though. I got some funky stuff from cash crop kenny as well.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top